Halftime Show

[RobTheDrummer]

Did that halftime show suck ass or what? I mean what the hell is becoming of the music world today? Nothing but a sex show with a beat. I'm pissed that these people even get credit for being "musicians". Whadaya think?

[J Michaels]

What halftime show? The J turns the channel as soon as the 2nd quarter ends... one word: crap

[Banned]

The worst thing about it is that they put on a pretense of having a "message". What a brilliant idea! Let's throw together a mishmash of overexposed pop stars lip-synching snippets of their biggest hits, toss in some meat market dance club sexuality, and SAVE THE WORLD at the same time!

Know what else sucks? It didn't even work as a cheap turn-on. First we had a zombified Janet Jackson exposing her weird corpse-breast, then an hour of Richard Hatch waving his dingle on Survivor. For crying out loud, I'm going to have to freebase Viagra to ever get aroused again.

[Jim Price]

If the game itself would have become a blowout by halftime, I would have turned the whole thing off at the end of the second quarter (I actually watched the game at Peter C's, so I couldn't turn it off there, but had I viewed the game at home, I would have been tuning around during the halftime).

I think the whole glossy, overproduced, pre-packaged big time entertainment aspect of the Super Bowl, and even the NFL itself, is why I look forward more to college football any more rather than the pros. The NFL more and more has become the "me and the rest of the team" league with the overpaid primadonnas and free agent superstars; and Super Bowl halftimes reflect that with primadonna superstar pop idols.

I remember a long, long time ago, when a halftime actually used to mean seeing marching bands playing real instruments on the field, and perhaps a little bit of game recap and commentary. Now halftime is a big, lip-synched song and dance production number.

[aMindBesideItself]

Now, as much as I hate Kid Rock, I think he was the only one that actually sang. Besides....medleys are queer. (Except when The Grimm does that Metallica medley....you guys rock man). We are being fed so much garbage on TV. That's all i have to say. I hate pop garbage.

[Punkinhead]

I don't even watch TV anymore except for sports events. The whole Hollywood thing is just disgusting. It's nothing but sex, sex, sex and image. The halftime show was a disgrace, and all the hype they put into it was as well. Every 5 minutes for the last 10 minutes of the 2nd quarter, all you heard was don't forget to check out our super halftime show, starring janet jackson. I missed the breast thing, I was watching a boxing match during the halftime show actually but, I'm not surprised these talentless prima donnas have resorted to flashing millions of people to attract attention.

[songsmith]

I didn't see the J. Jackson thing either, I surfed during halftime, but from many accounts, she had a pastie thing over her nipple... does that sound like an accident? I'm afraid the public has again been hornswoggled ( how often do I get to use the word,"hornswoggled?). They knew how the crap would end... it was a really bad way to promote her upcoming single, remember the Britney/Madonna kiss? Same dealy-o. Expect more of the same, softcore wank material for 14-year olds.
Problem with shock factor is that you have to keep topping yourself, and everybody else, for it to work, and eventually that becomes impossible. How many acts once thought of as "edgy" and "groundbreaking" are now thought of as silly, cartoonish has-beens. Can you say, "Rico Suave?"
I saw on the news this morning that Kid Rock got as many phone complaints as Janet, for cutting a hole in the American flag and wearing it as a poncho. Not a good move these days. I used to be a fan, he hung with guys like Waylon Jennings and Hank, Jr. He was the Bullgod, for Pete's sake. Now he just butchers classic rock covers... how the mighty have fallen.----->JMS

[Dave]

I saw the Kid Rock wearing the American flag and had mixed feelings on it. Even though it is a "BAD" thing to do I will take it in the context he meant, being patriotic. In that case, I guess it is ok.

As an example, burning a flag is considered by most people an unpatriotic act. In actuality, it is the preferred method for disposing of an unserviceable American flag. It is pretty obvious for most people to see what your intentions are when you are burning a flag.

Another example, you are not supposed to use the American flag as a 'cover'. We see it used as a cover all the time in Military funerals. Obviously it is not being desecrated in that context.

So I will assume that Kid Rock meant to be patriotic. I am sure he will get a lot of crap about it.

My .02

[RobTheDrummer]

The thing that disturbed me the most was when justin was singing and looked like he was ass banging janet whore. What kind of shit is that putting out to kids? This is the F*CKING SUPER BOWL PEOPLE!!!

[Dave]

The thing that disturbed me the most was when justin was singing and looked like he was ass banging janet whore. What kind of shit is that putting out to kids? This is the F*CKING SUPER BOWL PEOPLE!!!

I agree 100%. My kids (2 girls) were in their room playing. I am really glad they didn't see that (or the boob).

Once again, the marketing people win.

[songsmith]

This just in... Janet's new single drops TODAY, supposedly due to internet leaks. Hmmmmmmm....accidental nudity? I think not. Hornswoggled.----------->JMS

[wake up drumming]

I missed it all. My party had our own half-time show. We threw in the Super Joint Ritual home video. - BRUTAL! (they should hire Phil Anselmo and co. for next year's game.)

[bassist_25]

. They knew how the crap would end... it was a really bad way to promote her upcoming single, remember the Britney/Madonna kiss? Same dealy-o. Expect more of the same, softcore wank material for 14-year olds.
Problem with shock factor is that you have to keep topping yourself, and everybody else, for it to work, and eventually that becomes impossible. How many acts once thought of as "edgy" and "groundbreaking" are now thought of as silly, cartoonish has-beens. Can you say, "Rico Suave?"
I saw on the news this morning that Kid Rock got as many phone complaints as Janet, for cutting a hole in the American flag and wearing it as a poncho. Not a good move these days. I used to be a fan, he hung with guys like Waylon Jennings and Hank, Jr. He was the Bullgod, for Pete's sake. Now he just butchers classic rock covers... how the mighty have fallen.----->JMS

You are absolutely right. Remember that Russian Pop group from about a half a year ago; T.A.T.U.? They were two girls who dressed up like school girls and would always end their TV promotions by kissing. I don't get offended very often, but when I saw that, I got very offended. I wasn't indignant because two girls kissed (I have nothing against homosexuals) but because the art of music is being flushed down the crapper by slimey record execs and no talent hacks. I'm all for shocking people, but at least have some substance after you get past the shocking epidermis. I'm a guy and I like lesbians as much as the next guy; but a contrived kiss passed between two girls as a marketing scheme to sell bland Europop does nothing for me. Hmm, I haven't heard anything from T.A.T.U. as of late. I guess that proves either one of two conclusions: No talent garbage made for mass consumption and than easy disposal is just that, or the public has the attention span of an ADD riddled crack addict.

As far as Madonna's kiss with Britney, (and Christina, which for some reason didn't get any of the same publicity) her whole career has thrived on controversy. She's an intelligent women and knows how to push buttons. Controversy isn't going to get me to buy albums though. (ask Trace what she thinks of Madonna ) Again, contrived same-gender kisses are not going to get me hot, make me think, or want to rebel against the system. Maybe if this was 1962, but it's not. Thankfully, we're living in an era that sex isn't treated like a dirty act, and people like Sue Johanson (who offers valuable and unbiased sexual advice) are free to talk about things.

And another thing, I don't understand why everybody is so obsessed with celebritys. Maybe it's living vicariously through other people. I don't know. If Michael Jackson were just a joe-shmoe down the street, this would just be another child molestation case. I remember that I was jumping up and down for joy when we captured Saddam; not because we captured a ruthless dicator, but because now there would be some worthwhile news for the stations to report and not just crap about MJ. Turn off the Hollywood E, and the MTV Cribs and pick up a book. Another thing is, any goober can now become a social icon. (thanks, of course, to reality shows) I remember Bill Maher once said something about people saying their were fans of Paris Hilton, and when he asked what is was about Paris that made them fans, they couldn't answer. Don't be surprised if in a year or so from now, Paris records an album of bland Pop garbage. Isn't that the formula now? No talent social icon wants to prove that they are a "legit artist", so they record a shitty album of shitty Pop songs.

When it comes to Kid Rock, he's pretty much a "Good ol' Boy" so anyone with half a brain should be able to tell he was being patriotic. God, people need to freakin' think before they react. It's not a difficult equation: Kid Rock is a Gool ol' Boy + Kid Rock wearing American flag as poncho = Kid Rock being patriotic. I swear, people just want to have things to be pissed off over.

Well, I'm really starting to kick into Andy Rooney mode here and I have a lot of things to do this afternoon, so I better get going.

[Dave]

Kid Rock is a Gool ol' Boy + Kid Rock wearing American flag as poncho = Kid Rock being patriotic. I swear, people just want to have things to be pissed off over.

You nailed it.

[Chevelle7982]

I think that Kid Rock did just that "Rock"-ed! The pop stars, pathetic. Janet to sing and dance without getting out of breath maybe, but rap stars not able to orally perform their songs, COME ON!! Kid Rock is far above lipsynching. The poncho I believe had good intentions. My friend, who just came back from fighting in Iraq didn't even find it as poor taste. Actual patriots like himself usually get offended quicker than most and I liked the fashion trend. By -the -way, Justin is still going through puberty, he will do anything to get his rocks off, (on-stage or off-stage) ha ha!!

[songsmith]

Yeah, I pretty much got what he was going for, with the flag, but it's one of those hot-button issues... it can piss some people off INSTANTLY. I personally would have stayed away from it. I think folks objected to him cutting the hole for his head. Like Dwertz was saying, there are certain things you can & can't do, according to the accepted flag etiquette, and it doesn't always strictly make sense. You can't burn it in protest, but you can if it's to dispose of it. My personal view is that it's a symbol, and whatever you want to do with it is up to you. Good guys have died for that right. I just would have avoided the connotation.

This Janet thing is already WAY out of hand. An FCC probe will achieve nothing because she was wearing a pasty, and therefore was not legally naked. Justin Timberlake did not fumble, he reached directly and pulled the exact velcro necessary. Janet waited before covering herself (think about it... what would YOUR lady do?). Janet had a single due this week, which has been moved up to today, in a supposedly unrelated move. Janet's big brother is embroiled in perhaps the celebrity scandal of the century, exacerbated by a scathing Vanity Fair article due out this week, that makes him look even worse (get ready for Jesus juice and drawerfuls of boy's underwear). Justin Timberlake has never sung a single note that didn't sound like Jacko. His dance moves (!) are MJ all the way. All these things are related, and none of them were an accident. Yeah, I'm ranting, but Jeez, this is ridiculous.----->JMS

[Colton]

the janet jackson thing,....

http://www.chrisandjimonline.com/JanetSuperBoob.htm

[HurricaneBob]

yuck! i seen better tits at the Palace!

[bassist_25]

Yeah, I pretty much got what he was going for, with the flag, but it's one of those hot-button issues... it can piss some people off INSTANTLY. I personally would have stayed away from it. I think folks objected to him cutting the hole for his head. Like Dwertz was saying, there are certain things you can & can't do, according to the accepted flag etiquette, and it doesn't always strictly make sense. You can't burn it in protest, but you can if it's to dispose of it. My personal view is that it's a symbol, and whatever you want to do with it is up to you. Good guys have died for that right. I just would have avoided the connotation.

Yes, I'm with you; I probaly would have not did it either. But I'm also not one to wrap myself in the American flag. That's not to say I'm unpatriotic. I actually consider myself pretty patriotic, but I rather express it with taking an active role in America, rather than throwing around buzz words or hanging a flag on my porch. I've always delineated the difference between "What the flag stands for" and "What the flag is as a tangible object". Burning the flag is a demonstration of Anti-American ideas/social outcry/disagreement with administration/ect. Kid Rock cutting a hole in the flag is just him making a place to put his head through. As much as social injustice or an administration could push me to indignation, I would never burn the American flag, because I respect the men that have given their lives for it. The flag use to be a very important part of war and being the colorguard was one of the most prestigous positions to be held in combat. I respect things like that, and would never dishonor those men.

Still, I think that 9/11 has changed us both for the good and bad. It's helped us take a better look at national security, (which has dwindled since the end of the Cold War) it's united people, it's let us reevulate our values, but it's also allowed people to wrap themselves in the flag to push whatever agenda they have, sell any product they want, and snuff out anything they don't like. I think people have become to political-correct about things because we're to busy worrying about hurting other peoples' feelings over some of the most asinine stuff. An example would be how all of the songs got banned after 9/11. I think the Kid Rock controversey fits in with what I'm talking about.

[tonefight]

Did you catch when Nelly had the mike down but the vocals were still going, my wife and I just looked at each other and started laughing,I guess there was some entertainment to it ( comedy )

[Punkinhead]

To me it doesn't matter who did what, the point of it to me is, this is a damn football game...what the hell does all this popstar bullshit got to do with any of it? i understand in the end it's all entertainment but, how many 16-60 year old males give two shits about justin timberlake anyways? thats the majority watching the game, not all, but majority....somewhere whoever thought these kinds of halftime shows were a good idea, that dude or dudette needs bitch slapped and hung.

ITS FOOTBALL

[Danette]

Not to make mountains out of mole hills... or go way off topic .. but I would like to add my 2 cents to something that probably was not meant as a slight but I take a little offense to:

Good guys have died for that right.

...I would never burn the American flag, because I respect the men that have given their lives for it. ... I respect things like that, and would never dishonor those men.

Im by no means some radical womens lib-er - I am however a Veteran -Gulf War era. Fortunately for me I was not shipped off to Saudi but I def saw more than I ever wanted to stationed in Germany. I still have nightmares about when the call came over the radio when dude had the back of his head smashed OFF by the turrent on his tank ... and still alive or when a loaded semi automatic was dropped inside a tank full of my friends - Guess who the lucky female was on ambulance duty those days? I could share more of my "war" stories with you but I think that I made my point. I am just one of many, many women who were right along side those men who deserve the honor and respect just as much. Lets remember them as well please.

As far as Kid Rocks half time "fashion statement" - I have very mixed emotions on. While in his mind he was probably showing how patriotic he was and that is what is so great about being an American. You can make such statements without worrying about losing limbs or your life. On the other hand while you could probably stomp all over Grandma's quilt she made with her own hands or Gramp's hunting rifle - that were passed down to you. Out of respect for those people and the how much those treasures mean I doubt that anyone would willingly destroy them. To some of us - our flag is much like those family heirlooms. It is more than just a few yards of fabric sewn together to look pretty - its what it stands for and what has been sacrified along the way that give it meaning.

As far as the half time show in general is concerned - what I did see of it put me in mind of what you would see on skin-a-max in the middle of the night rather than what you would catch during prime family viewing time. What is passed off as music these days is getting ridiculous

[bassist_25]

So you're Aja!!!!!

Just kidding.

Yeah, I didn't mean anything about the single gender reference. I was actually thinking of putting "men and women" but I wasn't sure just how many women took role in active combat (and died).

[Danette]

Ouch! Aja? Dude ! I have been called alot of things but that... hmphhh!



I really didnt think the single gender reference was intentional - more like an oversight kinda. Bassist_25 - while in general women are not given front line / direct combat related jobs - you would be suprised how close to the "front lines" they are. During the height of the Gulf War some of the females who were in my unit were deployed for "peace keeping " purposes They were kidnapped while trying to deliver medical supplies and provide medical support to the locals. Just because they were in an ambulance with their weapon in a foriegn country in the middle of a war vs out on the "front line" in the same foriegn country, in that same ambulance with their weapon certainly didn't keep them safe or from being put in combat related incidents. Women may not be able to"officially" hold jobs that put them in direct line of fire, and "front lines" may be drawn on a map but that doesn't mean they other guy is going to stick to them. 5 females or 5000 - they all still deserve the same recognition so that ppl like Kid Rock have the freedom to cut holes in our flag so he can wear it as a poncho and only have to deal with catchin piles of verbal crap for it rather than have to worry about being executed or tried for treason.

ya - know I know I added to my original post sorry for the soap box rant - just something I am a lil sensative about - sorry

[lonewolf]

Perhaps this will be the event that sends the MTV sleaze culture on a tailspin along with rap and hip-hop and gives the music business the enema that it needs.

On the heels of the Reagan movie controversy, CBS was put on the spot with this little prank. It just so happens that Viacom owns both MTV and CBS--CBS is their crown prince and MTV their raggedy court jester. CBS will want MTV management's heads and I think that Viacom will give it to them. Look for a wholesale cleanout of MTV and perhaps the nexus in popular music that many have long awaited...