Psych and sociological mind set of this board

[Banned]

It is funny how the mind works. I love psych and sociology

It is very interesting how I can come to a board and talk about the benefits of having education in music. I can point out problems with sheryl crow, show limitations of B.B king, etc AND... everyone here thinks that I am TALKING DIRECTLY TO THEM PERSONALLY

I have this one guy talking about , " I KNOW THIS, AND I CAN DO THAT, etc"

to that comment I say

" THEN WHAT I JUST SAID, DOESN'T APPLY TO YOU"

I have people posting and telling me all their accomplishments LIKE I WAS TALKING TO THEM AND ONLY THEM.

I don't even know you people. I came here posting discussions in the wind so to speak.

How does saying B.B king is not that genius of a guitar player reflect YOU PEOPLE?

why would you get upset when I say, " MOST OF YOU PEOPLE HERE AT THIS SITE ARE BEEEETTTTER than B.B king"

THAT IS A COMPLIMENT, NOT A DISS. Yet after that comment, I got tons of responses saying, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU, HOW DARE YOU SAY I SUCK.

WHo is I? who is you?

WHen someone says to this forum " MOST OF YOU ARE BETTER THAN B.B" one would think they would say THANKS DUDE. Your too kind

Yet the response I got was utterly amazing. Hostile, kick your teeth in comments followed by, I KNOW THIS AND I KNOW THAT, AND I PLAYED FOR VANNILA ICE ,ETC.

The responses do not match the subject of what is being said.

I personally do not think you guys are looking or reading the post closely. I don't think it is that hard?

[Banned]

I am not getting any emails? Unless there is email at this particular site. I am not sure what email address you are sending these so called emails

Being a teacher also includes 2 factors YOU LEFT OUT

1 Sometimes people need pushes and fires light under their ass to achieve higher goals and education. I have heard many people talk about the BILL PARCELL in some that drove the PLAYER in others to achieve. In other words some people need a good kick in the ass to get them going. THAT DOESNT MEAN PEOPLE HERE PER SAY.

2 A good teacher will build his students confidence in knowing THEY CAN DO SOMETHING. One of the best things a teacher told me once long ago when I was a teenager, IT ISN'T THAT HARD TO PLAY METALLICA. These guys muff their own solos at times. He said to me " these guys don't play their own solos perfect everytime" When he said that to me, there was a degodifying of the gods so to speak.


The thing that I try to get across to people is EVERYTHING IS ART when something is created. As soon as you paint a picture, IT IS ART. WHen you write a song, IT IS ART. WHen you make a movie, IT IS ART. My point is DO NOT HIDE BEHIND THE WORD ART. If you lack DIRECTION, CONTROL, AND TECHNIQUE, you are hiding behind the word art. Period.

Many of these rock bands GET AWAY WITH THINGS because they are not challenged. I have seen bands out there that have lyrics that are 4 lines long and are repeated over and over. SURE IT IS ART, but come on, is it good art?

I have seen some bands lead singer scream bloody murder 4 lines over and over

EXAMPLE song

HIDING PLACE

DADDY WHY DID YOU GO AND BREAK MY FACE
DADDY WHY DID YOU GO AND BREAK MY FACE
DADDY WHY DID YOU GO AND BREAK MY FACE
DADDY WHY DID YOU GO AND BREAK MY FACE

( heavy thrashing interlude of guitars, etc)

DADDY WHY DID YOU GO AND BREAK MY FACE
DADDY WHY DID YOU GO AND BREAK MY FACE
DADDY WHY DID YOU GO AND BREAK MY FACE
DADDY WHY DID YOU GO AND BREAK MY FACE

( heavy thrashing interlude of guitars, etc)

( guitar solo)

I don't touch me daddy
please don't lay a hand on me

DADDY WHY DID YOU GO AND BREAK MY FACE
DADDY WHY DID YOU GO AND BREAK MY FACE
DADDY WHY DID YOU GO AND BREAK MY FACE
DADDY WHY DID YOU GO AND BREAK MY FACE



Now lets look at that lyric for a second. What does any of that have to do with the title HIDING PLACE? Now we the listener can formulate some connection, MAYBE the hiding place is from the father? Or , is it the hiding place in ones soul?

The point is that WE THE LISTENER now have to do the work for the writer. ARE WE GOING TO GET ROYALTIES FOR THAT?

The writer did not show control, direction, or technique

1 the song DOES NOT FURTHER in story
2 it is lyrically incomplete, the song shuts down lyrically after the first section. The rest just become FILLER MATERIAL.
3 No control in executing the story to the title. You think it is going to be a song about HIDING PLACE, and the entire time the song just keeps repeating DADDY WHY DID YOU GO AND BREAK MY FACE


ANYONE , AND I MEAN ANYONE can write that song above. There is nothing of quality to it. Yet the recent signings of bands HAVE LYRICS LIKE THOSE.

But lets start to DEVELOP the song. Education are tools to do just that

HIDING PLACE - rewrite

VERSE1
I got class of 64 engraved on my cheek
the fist of a father who is home all week
he blames society for knocking him down
so I am his dog that he kicks around

CHORUS
No room is dark enough
No closet is far enough
one place he cannot touch
I'm starting to find in my mind
There is a hiding place


Now look at this opening verse and chorus. These 2 song section show MORE DEVELOPMENT,DIRECTION, AND CONTROL than that first example I showed you. This is because of education.

Suppose the first song was a 4 million dollar selling song.Suppose it won 5 grammy awards. Now suppose that the rewrite ( when finished) never got passed the local level. WOULD YOU PEOPLE BE ABLE TO SEE WHICH IS BETTER? Judging on quality not sales.

The 2nd example shows

1 CONTROL: The ability to highlight the chorus differently from the verse. Lines are shorter, rhyme scheme is different, there is internal rhymes, 5 line section compared to 4 line verse.

2 DIRECTION: the song is about HIDING PLACE. The 2nd version works towards the title instead of AVOIDING IT like the first example.

3 TECHNIQUE: Not just using perfect rhymes, I used FAMILY RHYMES, ADDITIVE RHYMES, plus in the chorus you have TONS OF INTERNAL RHYMES


All I am saying is education allows people to get more out of a song. IS THE FIRST EXAMPLE ART? You bet it is. Just not very good art

[rickw]

Hi metal! Well, although your intentions are good, you seem to have an irritating way of delivering them! Way back when, an assignment I was given had me analyzing a Chopin prelude. The analysis I delivered was over twenty pages long for a work, when heard, lasted about three minutes. Ever since that day I realized that we have a tendency to over-analyze!! Take the music you hear and analyze as much as you want! However, if the song you are listening to evokes your response (like the Daddy thing), the song reached you. That's really all that matters. You are entitled to your opinions, and they will be respected. I am constantly amazed at the talent this little 'toona's musicians offer. I wish you could see that. Best wishes, Rick.

[Jawwge]

So cut out all that Psyco shit ,
And learn how to play guitar!

PLAY GUITAR!!!

[bassist_25]

Wow, John Mellencamp applies to everything.

[BDR]

John Mellencamp does apply to everything.

r:>)

[bfoust]

I have to agree there's a lot of crap that makes it to mainstream, whereas a lot of local talent SHOULD be on that level. There's some bands on Conan O'Brien that absolutely SUCK. Sorry, just my opinion.

[yodelinghippie]

Are you guys talking about me personally?




heehee

[VENTGtr]

Just to note:

It's actually "Per se".

[brokenstrings]

My mindset of this site is like Heroin. I know its not good for me but i keep coming back for more. Its a perfectly nice day out and im in my house "using". Ha Ha

[HarleyRo1]

What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about??

[songsmith]

Damn it to hell, when I saw this thread, I thought metalrules was back! You all suck for getting my hopes up! ------->JMS

[bassist_25]

Yeah, I think that Metal-Rules is by far the best RP troll ever (with Aja coming in at a close second). The Reason had his moments, but he was so inconsistent that he wasn't always fun.

I think we should all go to Metal-Rules' songwriting forume and badger him.