I know this got off-topic, but whatever you guys could do with those recordings, I would GREATLY appreciate it. I just thought it was good stuff and I remember coming to see both bands at the Casa Romani over here in J-town when I was off.
VERY COOL STUFF!
PM ME or whatever. I mean, don't kill yourself over it, but I'd owe you one (or possibly two)!
Bass Players: What Gear are you Using Nowadays?
To get back on topic...
After a bout with two of the new double pickup Stingrays, I ended up getting a Victor Bailey Fender Jazz bass. The modified MIJ Jazz I've been playing will get the original fretless neck put back on now.
I've played Musicmans in the past (and briefly owned a Stingray and Sterling), and although they were very playable, I always craved a second pickup. I thought these new Stingray offerings would be the ticket.
I must have tried out at least 8 Stingrays at Chuck Levin's, and just like the two Stingrays I already had bought and sent back, these felt exactly the same. Heavy and very physical to play. (At least they are consistent.) There's just something different about the new Stingrays that I can't place my finger on. Oh well, that doesn't matter, 'cause during my time demoing Stingrays, my eye spied the Victor Bailey bass. I didn't leave with it that day, but I couldn't stop thinking about it. I called a few days later and bought it.
Amplification:
Nowadays I'm not playing too much, so I haven't had a chance to really get comfortable with the Eden WT-800 I bought recently. I'm still using a pre-Fender SWR Goliath III 4x10 cabinet and sometimes I add a 15" cabinet. I'm looking for a reasonably priced rack-mount compressor as my modified Alesis still clicks and my dbx 160xt has started picking up a Christian radio station. Not kidding...
I'd also like to pick up a good bass guitar friendly multi-effect (preferably rackmount) that will give me reverb, chorus, flange, and envelope filter maybe. Octaver would be nice in the same unit, but I'm probably asking too much out of a multi-effect already.
Any ideas?
After a bout with two of the new double pickup Stingrays, I ended up getting a Victor Bailey Fender Jazz bass. The modified MIJ Jazz I've been playing will get the original fretless neck put back on now.
I've played Musicmans in the past (and briefly owned a Stingray and Sterling), and although they were very playable, I always craved a second pickup. I thought these new Stingray offerings would be the ticket.
I must have tried out at least 8 Stingrays at Chuck Levin's, and just like the two Stingrays I already had bought and sent back, these felt exactly the same. Heavy and very physical to play. (At least they are consistent.) There's just something different about the new Stingrays that I can't place my finger on. Oh well, that doesn't matter, 'cause during my time demoing Stingrays, my eye spied the Victor Bailey bass. I didn't leave with it that day, but I couldn't stop thinking about it. I called a few days later and bought it.
Amplification:
Nowadays I'm not playing too much, so I haven't had a chance to really get comfortable with the Eden WT-800 I bought recently. I'm still using a pre-Fender SWR Goliath III 4x10 cabinet and sometimes I add a 15" cabinet. I'm looking for a reasonably priced rack-mount compressor as my modified Alesis still clicks and my dbx 160xt has started picking up a Christian radio station. Not kidding...
I'd also like to pick up a good bass guitar friendly multi-effect (preferably rackmount) that will give me reverb, chorus, flange, and envelope filter maybe. Octaver would be nice in the same unit, but I'm probably asking too much out of a multi-effect already.
Any ideas?
Jason,
TC Electronics makes some nice rack effect units (especially for guitar)
that are reasonably priced and good quality. The new M350 has multi-effects and compression available (w/ program ability). Don't know how it would function w/bass. Good luck with envelope filters and octavers, but pitch shift usually available (?). Don't know, but thought I'd mention so you could check out. By the way, I watched a show recently with Vic Bailey playing. Man he smokes!
Scott
TC Electronics makes some nice rack effect units (especially for guitar)
that are reasonably priced and good quality. The new M350 has multi-effects and compression available (w/ program ability). Don't know how it would function w/bass. Good luck with envelope filters and octavers, but pitch shift usually available (?). Don't know, but thought I'd mention so you could check out. By the way, I watched a show recently with Vic Bailey playing. Man he smokes!
Scott
I heard he eats magic beans!
I have looked at his signature model, nothing overly fancy (meaning as
far as comparison to other basses in its' range). I guess it depends on taste.
I have looked at his signature model, nothing overly fancy (meaning as
far as comparison to other basses in its' range). I guess it depends on taste.
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For a Fender though, it has some nice touches:skipisode wrote:I heard he eats magic beans!
I have looked at his signature model, nothing overly fancy.
String-thru body
3 layer body (mohagany, walnut w/koa top)
tweaked electronics (3 band / 18volt)
dowel rod/graphite contraption in neck for stability (posiflex??)
Gold hardware (which I don't really like)
Anyway. It plays real nice. It had been hanging on the wall at Levin's for a little while, and it had a ding on the edge of the body, so I got a pretty decent price on it.
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I don't mind gold hardware when it comes to tuning machines and bridges, but I dislike gold pickups. They always look like shit after a few years of playing. It's a shame to see a $3k Les Paul with gold pickups, because they're inevitably look like poo after a few years.jebersole wrote:
Gold hardware (which I don't really like)
I almost totally forgot about the Victor Bailey sig models. They always kind of reminded me of Fender's higher-end Zone basses. It's good to see Fender getting a little more modern with their designs. I always thought that the Roscoe Beck model was intriguing.
"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
as have I.bassist_25 wrote: I always thought that the Roscoe Beck model was intriguing.
for good selection on fenders, check out Pianos and Stuff in pittsburgh sometime. They have the best selection of anywhere I've played. I played a roscoe back 4 string there. It was ok, I guess. It had too many knobs and switches for my taste. If I don't find a tone that floors me after approximately 10 seconds of playing. I'm not interested.
Its probably a stupid way to shop for instruments, but it saves a lot of money.
Stand back, I like to rock out.
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There's nothing wrong with shopping for an instrument like that. An instrument should floor you after playing it for only a few minutes. If it doesn't, then you're probably not going to appreciate it anymore the longer that you have it. For me, if a bass doesn't feel like an old pair of shoes from the moment I pick it up, then it's not the bass for me. There's nothing worse than trying to fight an instrument. It really distracts from trying to play to the best of your abilities. Also, if you turn on a prospective amp and find that you're using a bunch of EQ right off the bat, walk away! A quality amp should sound relatively good when flat, depending on the room of course.
But it's also important to really think about how a bass is going to sit in a mix. I like a darker timbre, but sometimes I have to remind myself that I need to make sure that the bass/amp has sufficient brightness to add presence in the mix.
But it's also important to really think about how a bass is going to sit in a mix. I like a darker timbre, but sometimes I have to remind myself that I need to make sure that the bass/amp has sufficient brightness to add presence in the mix.
"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
Currently using an Eden wt-800 with slight mod (K.O.) to prevent problems from exsessive heat buid up. Cab is Bagend QXD 4x10 with coax tweet. Works good for me. I play mostly alt-country and blues. Back up / small gig rig is GK 800RB and 1x15 Bagend cab. This rig is also dependable and sounds good, and is prety loud when needed for a small rig.
Basses are;
'69 P maple finger board that has been used and abused but still sounds great. Mods are natural refin (before I acquired the bass) and a brass nut installed years ago due to broken original at time of purchase.
'74 P sunburst with rosewood finger board and stok '74 Frailin pickup ( original pickup was not in place when I bought the bass ) . Great player and sweet tone.
40 something Kay M-1 upright with K and K Bass Max pickup
Basses are;
'69 P maple finger board that has been used and abused but still sounds great. Mods are natural refin (before I acquired the bass) and a brass nut installed years ago due to broken original at time of purchase.
'74 P sunburst with rosewood finger board and stok '74 Frailin pickup ( original pickup was not in place when I bought the bass ) . Great player and sweet tone.
40 something Kay M-1 upright with K and K Bass Max pickup
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I use a MIA Fender Jazz with active EQ, run through a Eden WT550 then a Schroeder 1212R.
My rig has changed recently due to some shoulder problems, I picked up a pair of Epifani UL112. I haven't had a chance to play out with the pair but will do so Saturday at the Bellwood Eagles. I did play a large hall with the Schroeder with a UL112 sitting on top of it and that sounded really good. The Schroeder 1212R (a 2-12cab) is about 55lbs, and the Epifani's are 30lbs each.
My rig has changed recently due to some shoulder problems, I picked up a pair of Epifani UL112. I haven't had a chance to play out with the pair but will do so Saturday at the Bellwood Eagles. I did play a large hall with the Schroeder with a UL112 sitting on top of it and that sounded really good. The Schroeder 1212R (a 2-12cab) is about 55lbs, and the Epifani's are 30lbs each.
FENDER:::EDEN:::EPIFANI
Fellow bassists,
As Lies Inc will be gigging regulary very soon, I'm contemplating a new full bass rig. My Spector has always been the core of my sound (and will likely continue to be, as I'm a dedicated Spector fan), but I think a new rig is in order.
Here are the candidtates I'm consideirng:
Eden World Traveler 800 head and matching 4x10 cabs (or possibly a 6x10 cab)
Mesa M-Series head and matching 4x10 cabs
Tech 21 Landmark 600 head (unsure which cabs I'd get with this one)
Any thoughts? Feel free to post, drop me a line, or say hey at a show (we're opening for Amplified Heat this Friday at the Hitching Post).
Thanks!
As Lies Inc will be gigging regulary very soon, I'm contemplating a new full bass rig. My Spector has always been the core of my sound (and will likely continue to be, as I'm a dedicated Spector fan), but I think a new rig is in order.
Here are the candidtates I'm consideirng:
Eden World Traveler 800 head and matching 4x10 cabs (or possibly a 6x10 cab)
Mesa M-Series head and matching 4x10 cabs
Tech 21 Landmark 600 head (unsure which cabs I'd get with this one)
Any thoughts? Feel free to post, drop me a line, or say hey at a show (we're opening for Amplified Heat this Friday at the Hitching Post).
Thanks!
Kent, Bass, The Grimm, Lies Inc. The British Invasion
grimmbass@gmail.com
www.myspace.com/liesinc
www.myspace.com/thegrimmband
grimmbass@gmail.com
www.myspace.com/liesinc
www.myspace.com/thegrimmband
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Kent,
Everyone pretty much knows that I consider Eden one of the greatest bass amp manufacturers of all-time. There's no way you could could go wrong with a World Tour. Though I'm a big fan of headroom, and I like to be able to customize to my needs, so you could also consider a Navigator preamp with what ever power amp of your choosing. The Navigator has the most features of any preamp I've ever seen. Cabinet-wise - If you're just using the cabs for backline and you have FOH support, I think that you'll only find yourself bringing one 4x10. Eden's are VERY efficient cabinets (like 106 db sensitivity). The 6x10 would probably be your best bet. It would provide more than ample sound if you had FOH support, and would be loud enough if you didn't have FOH support. Of course, if you still find yourself needing a few more speakers in some situations, it wouldn't be hard to find a used XLT or XST 2x10 on Ebay. BTW, if you get this rig, you'll be opening for us at every single gig from now on just so I can use your backline at every gig.
If you're scoping out Mesa stuff, I would definitely take a look at M/B's newest head, the Big Block V12. It's a three-rack space monster of 1200 watts. It has a tube front-end with a SS power section. The real seller is that it has two preamp channels. So you can set up one channel for deep fingerstyle and one channel for slapping/picking, or one channel can be clean and the other with some grit. Boogie's cabinets don't have the power handling nor the efficiencies of Eden's stuff, so two cabs may be a better plan. Keep in mind that their stuff is big, physically that is. A normal 4x10 is 100 lbs. A Roadready 400 is around 130 lbs. The Deathmaster was selling off some of his stuff, which including two Boogie cabs. I would have bought them if it weren't for me being a poor college student.
I think the choice of the Landmark simply comes down to whether you like your Sansamp. If you dig the RBI in your rack, then maybe the Landmark would be a good bet. Personally, if I liked the RBI that much, I'd probably just go shopping for a power amp that I'd really like. Doesn't the Landmark have two channels though?
While you're scoping these rigs, I'm going to throw out another idea for you: An Aguilar DB750 with matching GS 4x10s...or one GS 4x10 and one GS 2x12. The DB750 is quickly becoming "The SVT of My Generation." Again, it's a tube front-end with a powerful SS power section. It's fatter and more "tubey" sounding than Eden, though it still can be hifi and modern. I think Aguilar fills the middle between the ultra hifi sound of SWR and the smoother sound of Eden. If you want to check out the quality of their stuff, stop by a show. I use two S series 4x10s. The S series is voiced differently than Aggie's GS and DB series cabinets with more emphasis on the low-mids; so they really punch through a mix. The GS and DB series are a little more scooped sounding with a bigger bottom end. Unfortunatley, the S series is no longer manufactured. They have one of the nicest horn/x-overs I've ever used.
All of the rigs that you're looking at are quality, so I don't think you can go wrong with any of your choices. It think it comes down to 1). If you want smooth and modern, go Eden 2). If you'd rather be more rock n' roll, go Mesa 3). You're already familiar with your SansAmp and you dig it, then step it up to the Landmark.
BTW, I've talked to Dax and we're very interested in hooking up for some shows.
Everyone pretty much knows that I consider Eden one of the greatest bass amp manufacturers of all-time. There's no way you could could go wrong with a World Tour. Though I'm a big fan of headroom, and I like to be able to customize to my needs, so you could also consider a Navigator preamp with what ever power amp of your choosing. The Navigator has the most features of any preamp I've ever seen. Cabinet-wise - If you're just using the cabs for backline and you have FOH support, I think that you'll only find yourself bringing one 4x10. Eden's are VERY efficient cabinets (like 106 db sensitivity). The 6x10 would probably be your best bet. It would provide more than ample sound if you had FOH support, and would be loud enough if you didn't have FOH support. Of course, if you still find yourself needing a few more speakers in some situations, it wouldn't be hard to find a used XLT or XST 2x10 on Ebay. BTW, if you get this rig, you'll be opening for us at every single gig from now on just so I can use your backline at every gig.
If you're scoping out Mesa stuff, I would definitely take a look at M/B's newest head, the Big Block V12. It's a three-rack space monster of 1200 watts. It has a tube front-end with a SS power section. The real seller is that it has two preamp channels. So you can set up one channel for deep fingerstyle and one channel for slapping/picking, or one channel can be clean and the other with some grit. Boogie's cabinets don't have the power handling nor the efficiencies of Eden's stuff, so two cabs may be a better plan. Keep in mind that their stuff is big, physically that is. A normal 4x10 is 100 lbs. A Roadready 400 is around 130 lbs. The Deathmaster was selling off some of his stuff, which including two Boogie cabs. I would have bought them if it weren't for me being a poor college student.
I think the choice of the Landmark simply comes down to whether you like your Sansamp. If you dig the RBI in your rack, then maybe the Landmark would be a good bet. Personally, if I liked the RBI that much, I'd probably just go shopping for a power amp that I'd really like. Doesn't the Landmark have two channels though?
While you're scoping these rigs, I'm going to throw out another idea for you: An Aguilar DB750 with matching GS 4x10s...or one GS 4x10 and one GS 2x12. The DB750 is quickly becoming "The SVT of My Generation." Again, it's a tube front-end with a powerful SS power section. It's fatter and more "tubey" sounding than Eden, though it still can be hifi and modern. I think Aguilar fills the middle between the ultra hifi sound of SWR and the smoother sound of Eden. If you want to check out the quality of their stuff, stop by a show. I use two S series 4x10s. The S series is voiced differently than Aggie's GS and DB series cabinets with more emphasis on the low-mids; so they really punch through a mix. The GS and DB series are a little more scooped sounding with a bigger bottom end. Unfortunatley, the S series is no longer manufactured. They have one of the nicest horn/x-overs I've ever used.
All of the rigs that you're looking at are quality, so I don't think you can go wrong with any of your choices. It think it comes down to 1). If you want smooth and modern, go Eden 2). If you'd rather be more rock n' roll, go Mesa 3). You're already familiar with your SansAmp and you dig it, then step it up to the Landmark.
BTW, I've talked to Dax and we're very interested in hooking up for some shows.
"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
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I've been traveling light!
Vox T-15, 15 watt practice amp. I run a line out to the PA so basically I just use it for a pre-amp.
Home made bass. Bought the neck off e-bay (60's Vox Panther neck) and made a 60's Vox Phantom body. Seymour Duncan pick-ups. I'm getting arthrtis in my hands and wanted to try a short scale. It's also really light and we can packup in 12 minutes.
I own a first year 1983 two pickup Steinberger bass and I have been playing it for 22-1/2 years. Nothing plays or sounds quite like it. They are not light and weigh 9 pounds but the counter balance prevents it from being top or bottom heavy when you wear it. Great sustain and stays in tune incredibly well. It can't warp like wood and there are no dead spots. Every note on the entire neck is equal. Everybody who hears it asks how I get the sound I do out of it.
It was $1,435 new in 1983 (which was a lot back then) and worth much more now. It is not a only a great bass but a great investment and I still play it every gig. Yes, they are pretty much indestructible.
I also own a 1974 4001 Rickenbacker and a 1971 Epiphone 3/4 scale bass. I love the sound of the Ric and played it for over 8 years but stopped playing it after I bought the Steinberger. It was so top heavy and the Steinberger does not even have a headstock.
My current rig is a 1975 Music Man 130 head and a Carvin cabinet with 2 EVB 15" speakers. This combination has a really nice sound but I prefer solid state over tubes. I used to play through a 1976 Acoustic 370 head that sounded terrific but it is broken and I can't seem to get it fixed. Anybody know somebody who can fix them?
It was $1,435 new in 1983 (which was a lot back then) and worth much more now. It is not a only a great bass but a great investment and I still play it every gig. Yes, they are pretty much indestructible.
I also own a 1974 4001 Rickenbacker and a 1971 Epiphone 3/4 scale bass. I love the sound of the Ric and played it for over 8 years but stopped playing it after I bought the Steinberger. It was so top heavy and the Steinberger does not even have a headstock.
My current rig is a 1975 Music Man 130 head and a Carvin cabinet with 2 EVB 15" speakers. This combination has a really nice sound but I prefer solid state over tubes. I used to play through a 1976 Acoustic 370 head that sounded terrific but it is broken and I can't seem to get it fixed. Anybody know somebody who can fix them?