Crowbar = Nobar

[PastaJoe]

Hey BRAINIAC, Crowbar is in State College, not Altoona.

You are this || close to saying goodbye to this site. Nobody wants your assinine opinions.

Consider yourself warned.

Gazoo... Generalizing something as complex as running a club or playing in a band is generally showing general stupidity.

It is better to be quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.

LOLOL!! Well put.

[g1wgs]

g1wgs is an ass. he thinks he is a sound guy but couldn't tell his ass from a sound bite. some sound techs I know know him ......rookie!

Now THAT is professional.

By the way, it's also defamation of character. Which could result in a civil case. I've noticed that people don't care to much about that on here.

I never attacked you personally. I only argued with your ideas. Thanks for the lesson though.. maybe I'll learn from it and will "grow up" from being a "rookie." Right?

[jangel]

I apologize for the post ..it was un professional of me to do it .........and I don't normally do or say things like that about anyone. People that know me know this.

[RobTheDrummer]

g1wgs is an ass. he thinks he is a sound guy but couldn't tell his ass from a sound bite. some sound techs I know know him ......rookie!

Now THAT is professional.

By the way, it's also defamation of character. Which could result in a civil case. I've noticed that people don't care to much about that on here.

I never attacked you personally. I only argued with your ideas. Thanks for the lesson though.. maybe I'll learn from it and will "grow up" from being a "rookie." Right?

You need to see the thread about the Altoona Curve.

[ChromeCultStudios]

Lets hope this place gets sold to somebody who will try to turn this into an all ages geared venue and a kickass one at that..

No offense to the bar people here, im all for a bar on the top floor again, but this area needs all ages venues A LOT more than it needs a bar..

I tried for two years and could not make a run of it. Most nights taking money out of my pocket to give some to the bands.

Funny how players seems to always be open.... and No Bands.. Just dance
music

[BDR]

Considering the terms of lease for that joint, an all age venue would never fly. The reality is, there is no money in all age shows. A business like this can't survive selling Pepsi.

r:>)

[ChromeCultStudios]

Considering the terms of lease for that joint, an all age venue would never fly. The reality is, there is no money in all age shows. A business like this can't survive selling Pepsi.

r:>)

I had a full PA ( Sorry no Monitors) I got so much shit for that from the bands and the stage wasn't big enough? 20ft x 16ft only 1 on the drummer. 16 ch board 5000 watt Pa system and Lights. I put as much in as I could to get it off the ground. I wish my place was in Altoona ( skip the gang shootings) I hear that the kids support the local music very strong. Never been to the lions Den, heard you had to provide your own PA yet the bands are getting 100 + people a show.

3 bands 45 min set each. 6 bucks cover, 1 buck for drinks. Best night
Shoot the Stars local high school band 45 min set 95.00 bucks other bands
got 60 each.

I got shit about 6 at the door, But people pay 5 to 10 for 1 1/2 hr movie and raped at the snack counter...

But Guess what, I'm try'in it again this Sep o7 school year.

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

Considering the terms of lease for that joint, an all age venue would never fly. The reality is, there is no money in all age shows. A business like this can't survive selling Pepsi.

r:>)

I had a full PA ( Sorry no Monitors) I got so much shit for that from the bands and the stage wasn't big enough? 20ft x 16ft only 1 on the drummer. 16 ch board 5000 watt Pa system and Lights. I put as much in as I could to get it off the ground. I wish my place was in Altoona ( skip the gang shootings) I hear that the kids support the local music very strong. Never been to the lions Den, heard you had to provide your own PA yet the bands are getting 100 + people a show.

3 bands 45 min set each. 6 bucks cover, 1 buck for drinks. Best night
Shoot the Stars local high school band 45 min set 95.00 bucks other bands
got 60 each.

I got shit about 6 at the door, But people pay 5 to 10 for 1 1/2 hr movie and raped at the snack counter...

But Guess what, I'm try'in it again this Sep o7 school year.

Lions Den shows are tricky - if you get caught up in the Johnstown/Altoona underground scene at the Den - you'll see over 100 kids if all the bands are good, however if there is just 1 band that the kids dont like, they wont go to the entire show, doesnt matter if their 7 favorite bands are playing with them.. if that 1 band they hate is there "this show sucks" and nobody will go..

they also bring in national acts and play the same 2 or 3 locals.. but the kids still come out - however none seem to like the Den, not sure why..

also - if you're ever looking for a band for one of your shows, ChromeCult.. send me a PM, thanks

[bassist_25]

Lions Den shows are tricky - if you get caught up in the Johnstown/Altoona underground scene at the Den - you'll see over 100 kids if all the bands are good, however if there is just 1 band that the kids dont like, they wont go to the entire show, doesnt matter if their 7 favorite bands are playing with them.. if that 1 band they hate is there "this show sucks" and nobody will go..

That's why I never got into "scenes". It just seems to be some kind of underground political thing that I never wanted any part of.

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

Lions Den shows are tricky - if you get caught up in the Johnstown/Altoona underground scene at the Den - you'll see over 100 kids if all the bands are good, however if there is just 1 band that the kids dont like, they wont go to the entire show, doesnt matter if their 7 favorite bands are playing with them.. if that 1 band they hate is there "this show sucks" and nobody will go..

That's why I never got into "scenes". It just seems to be some kind of underground political thing that I never wanted any part of.

agreed..

however, not all scenes are like that - however i will say johnstown and lewistown to me look like "fashionxcore" scenes where kids go to support their friends, and to show off their latest girls jeans and emo haircuts or to beat their cawks onto the earth proclaiming their street credit and level of "hardcore" - sucks because there are some really good bands in each scene that are being left behind because of that shit.

Du Bois is a good scene - I think it's because there is a nice dividing line where the girls are either emo or goth, and the guys are all metalheads - but at the end of the day, they're all Clearfield County Rednecks (sorry, Paul.. i dont mean you haha) but it's good they all support the bands that are from there (Neocracy, Ahimsa Sunrise, Ophelia Lives, ect) as well as the traveling bands that frequent there (Orphan, Death Rattle, From Their Eyes, E.o.A, Second Offense, 4 Days Dirty) - good scene, good scene.

Huntingdon County... there is no scene, no matter what somebody may tell you..

Central PA (Harrisburg/Lancaster/York/Reading) - the bands are awesome, and I know some bands will draw 300 plus for their home shows. Ive said for a while that this is probably the best scene in Pennsylvania, and I feel the only places that could dispute that are Erie and Wilkes-Barre/Scranton - so many venues for everybody (however the all ages venues are a little harder to find) but definately a plethora of places to play..

eh ive rambled enough.. fuck sceneism and scenester kids..

[BDR]

Huntingdon County... there is no scene, no matter what somebody may tell you..

You may be right; however, there is a thick fan base just waiting for something to attach itself to ... how 'bout it, songsmith?

r:>)

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

Huntingdon County... there is no scene, no matter what somebody may tell you..

You may be right; however, there is a thick fan base just waiting for something to attach itself to ... how 'bout it, songsmith?

r:>)

i should have worded that one better, sorry bout that lol

Huntingdon County... no scene in the sense of .. limited infrastructure. Aside from County Line, and maybe the Moose Lodge - if you want to play any place else.. you either got to grease the local firehalls who in most cases run communities (example: it may not be "official" but for the large part, Orbisonia and Rockhill Furnace (2 seperate boroughs) are run by the fire department) or you have to rent buildings.. makes it hard to build a scene, but Im sure people are trying.. and i'll be honest, as pathetic and terrible as it sounds.. it sure as hell isn't me, ive given up on these fucking kids, you can only try to reach them so many times..

[ChromeCultStudios]

1. Have bands, alot of work little pay and still have the bands talk shit about me. Not giving them more then 40 bucks when only 25 kids show up?

2. Have Raves... Less work and the DJ's bring the crowd?

3. Have strippers....... 10 per person and free beer for over 21?

4. Do a pay to play?
Three bands book my place at 35 each. Plus a dollar
for each person at the door. I'm sure this won't go over.... Everyone wanted pay set before the gig even if the crowd didn't show.

5. Sale the place for 48,000 full basement 1500sq ft, 1st floor 2000sqft with two restrooms, 3rd floor 2000sqft and new roof with equipment and pool table and let them worry about it...?

So cast your votes.

[Killjingle]

dude...

OPTiON 3

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

Option 6.. Renovate the place, make it a bowling alley with strippers dancing in cages overtop each lane..

Molson 3.0, Jagermeister, Smirnoff, Parrot Bay, and Bacardi readily available...

live bands will play just for the sake of seeing naked dancers violating bowling pins, and free alcohol..

that my friends, is the American dream

[SuffrInLys]

how about trying to get some national bands in to altoona... we are sitting in one of the biggest cities in central penn and we have almost nothing to offer unless you like RICKY FUNKING LEE what the fuck.. when the hell did we turn into a bunch of hicks.. the only national band i have seen come through here lately was at the eldolyn terrace... it was it dies today.. there were at least 400 kids there and i imagine actually closer to 500.. we have all kinds of places that would be awesome for this.. the terrace could do it again it they know the demand is there .. aldo's in juniata is a small bar but a national act would pack that fucking place the way it should be.. city limits... classic attitudes beer upstairs or in the car area and all age underneath .. that would be perfect plus it is big enough to hold huge crowds...

anyone have any connections with bands that are just rising up make them work for all of us.. a couple national bands with a local opener would be the perfect way to get local bands more exposure and bring some hope back into the central pa scene...

and if all else fails ... do the strippers in the cages like atomikenrtia stated above

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

how about trying to get some national bands in to altoona... we are sitting in one of the biggest cities in central penn and we have almost nothing to offer unless you like RICKY FUNKING LEE what the fuck.. when the hell did we turn into a bunch of hicks.. the only national band i have seen come through here lately was at the eldolyn terrace... it was it dies today.. there were at least 400 kids there and i imagine actually closer to 500.. we have all kinds of places that would be awesome for this.. the terrace could do it again it they know the demand is there .. aldo's in juniata is a small bar but a national act would pack that fucking place the way it should be.. city limits... classic attitudes beer upstairs or in the car area and all age underneath .. that would be perfect plus it is big enough to hold huge crowds...

anyone have any connections with bands that are just rising up make them work for all of us.. a couple national bands with a local opener would be the perfect way to get local bands more exposure and bring some hope back into the central pa scene...

and if all else fails ... do the strippers in the cages like atomikenrtia stated above

dude, Altoona has seen some big fucking acts in the area - the Altoona/Johnstown area is actually an area a lot of touring bands like to hit but you have to pay close attention to notice

Chiodos
The Number 12 Looks Like You
The Red Chord (they recently played the Lions Den)

just to name a few..

I do agree, get a few National acts into places like Aldos, and Dragon Chasers in State College - you get some of these big local openers (4 Days Dirty, Second Offense, Ahimsa Sunrise, Not Without Resistance, Suicide Switch, ect) and you would attract a lot of people.. thing is, a lot of these bands wont take the chance on a venue they havent heard of - Ive never seen Aldos, but I've heard great things - but I dont see a National Act taking a chance on it, unless a hefty sum of Money was involved.. and most promoters in the area dont have that kind of money and/or notority.. which is why a lot of bigger bands go to places like Mr. Smalls in PGH, the Charleroi Italians Club, The Mr. Roboto Project, the Geistown Firehall, ect ect

[songsmith]

Huntingdon County does have a lot of kids with nothing to do. I don't know much about scenes or whatever... but I know a bunch of the kids from Huntingdon, Mount Union, and surroundings. They bitch about being bored so much, they should be bored of bitching. Okay, it's not New York City, but a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. I played the bars there for a few years before anybody started showing up... It wasn't their fault, I just had to figure out how to give them something they wanted. We always did original music, but we had to eventually write something they wanted to hear.
I wonder about Fulton and Franklin counties... they used to be more connected to the Maryland scene years ago, people would drive really far to see a band. I wonder how it is now?------>JMS

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

Huntingdon County does have a lot of kids with nothing to do. I don't know much about scenes or whatever... but I know a bunch of the kids from Huntingdon, Mount Union, and surroundings. They bitch about being bored so much, they should be bored of bitching. Okay, it's not New York City, but a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. I played the bars there for a few years before anybody started showing up... It wasn't their fault, I just had to figure out how to give them something they wanted. We always did original music, but we had to eventually write something they wanted to hear.
I wonder about Fulton and Franklin counties... they used to be more connected to the Maryland scene years ago, people would drive really far to see a band. I wonder how it is now?------>JMS

For the Fulton County/Franklin County inquiry, I will ask my beautiful assistant, Justin to field this one..

... if he EVER shows back up on rockpage ..

[bassist_25]

What's wrong with Ricky Lee? I commend anyone who gets out of here and does something with their music.

As far as Huntingdon County - We play the Moose Lodge in Huntingdon and the County Line in Mount Union. We also mosey our way up to Petersburg every once in a while and do a small show at The Tavern. All of these venues have been growing for us, and we saw a very sizable crowd at The Line the last time we were there; and we're still far from hitting the ceiling.

You have to find the venues that work for you. Market yourself. Work with the venue owners to bring as many bodies through the door as possible and then ultimately put the product up on stage. Whatever you have in music is what you've earned. Nobody hands you anything in this business.