Pentagon strike

[Slothkill]

Cospiracy theory SURE. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ---- NEW WORLD ORDER
For those of you who follow such things and choose to worry bout them I suggest you read the book W.T.F.( world trade federation) written by a former Air Force General whose name escapes me know, anyhoo this dude controlled all the nuclear warheads in Europe, so nutcase I think not.
Is the U.S. gonna collapse? NO...... Will the Constitution and The Bill of Rights get burned and pissed on? Oh Hell Yea! It's all part of a plan so vast that none of us could ever even begin to understand.
SaD ain't it that the reason we fail as a country is because of me and you. Oh yea and that guy in the corner who wants to hear Slayer and Curtis LoweTHE BASTARD...... I have deeper thoughts on this but right now my lil girl just shit herself so Toodles

[RobTheDrummer]

Jules!

[Blain]

I always find it amusing that the same folks who say George Bush is borderline retarded are also saying that he has masterminded the greatest conspiracy mankind has ever known.

By the way, surveilance video showing the aircraft hitting the Pentagon has been released by the government. It's out there for everyone to see.

[Banned]

There would have to be 100's or even thousands of people involved if there were a giant conspiracy. there are more leaks from our government today than at any other time.

How are THEY keeping all these people quiet? If you knew that 9/11 was all faked, how long before you told your best friend, he told someone elso and so on and so forth.


Could not keep this conspiracy quiet for 4 and 1/2 years. Period.

[Blain]

I've been thinking a lot about this, because generally I'm a skeptic, and I usually find conspiracy theories interesting and entertaining, but this one just defies logic to me.

The film that is linked is interesting and it is compelling, but I think you have to remember what it is at it's root - a propaganda film. If you had no historical knowledge - let's say you woke up with total amnesia - and I showed you "Triumph of the Will", you might think Hitler was a great guy.

This is similar. Most people have no knowledge of aviation, no knowledge of architecture, no knowledge of explosives, no knowledge of airliner crashes. The film makers are able to show you only what they want you to see. They select only what supports the message they are conveying.

They quote a few of the eyewitnesses - out of the many. There are a lot of hugely credible witnesses who saw the plane hit. Eyewitnesses include clergy, pilots, truck drivers, lawyers, a USA Today editor. One eyewitness did describe the plane as "like a cruise missile with wings". An analogy. This is the largest office building in the world, in one of the busiest cities in the world, along one of the busiest highways, surrounded by buildings. If it was a cruise missile, it certainly wouldn't be mistaken for a airliner.

They show you some photographs - out of the literally thousands of photos and thousands of frames of video taken at the site.

If somebody was actually going to attack the pentagon and make it appear that it was a terrorist airliner attack, why not take an actual 757-400, paint it up to look like an airliner, load it with explosives, and fly it by remote control into the building? That way, it would at least make proper sized hole and leave proper debris. The conspiracy would be that much easier to cover up.

Even so, the airplane knocked down 10,000 tons of building material - 100 times the airplanes own weight. Another 57,000 tons were damaged so badly that it had to be torn down.


Say it was a missile attack. What happened to the aircraft and passengers of Flight 77? The conspirists would actually have to hijack the plane, make the passengers and airplane vanish, then launch their faux airliner attack. No trace of the plane or passengers were ever found - except for in the wreckage of the Pentagon, where the remains of all but one person on the plane was found, along with both "black boxes".

I was also thinking about TWA Flight 800 from 1997. There are some really credible witnesses who believe that it was shot down by a missile, either accidentally by the U.S. Navy, or by terrorists, and that this was covered-up by the Clinton administration, either to protect the military or so we would not have to fight a war on terror. It is also a fascinating theory, but there just is no proof.

The "find the boeing" video is an interesting and compelling piece, but it has been pretty roundly debunked.

[Bert|Evil]

I always find it amusing that the same folks who say George Bush is borderline retarded are also saying that he has masterminded the greatest conspiracy mankind has ever known.

By the way, surveilance video showing the aircraft hitting the Pentagon has been released by the government. It's out there for everyone to see.

Good point! These people probably have taken to The DaVinci Code hook, line, and sinker. Now that the 20th hijacker trial is over, you should expect to see the real footage out and about.

Regarding the film at the Google link… I found way too many of those “facts” to be humourous. One really stood out, however. I’ll attempt to paraphrase:

“Due to an exercise in North Carolina, Andrews AFB was left with only 14 fighter jets. That is 14 fighter jets to protect the ENTIRE U.S.”.

C’mon people! Due you seriously think that the AF and Navy could only offer 14 or less fighter jets at that point?

[Blain]

Yeah, that is amusing. Andrews is mainly an airport for American and foreign dignitaries flying in and out of Washington. There are some fighters there, but it's mainly transport aircraft. It certainly isn't the only base that houses fighters that protect the U.S.

[YankeeRose]

There would have to be 100's or even thousands of people involved if there were a giant conspiracy. there are more leaks from our government today than at any other time.

How are THEY keeping all these people quiet? If you knew that 9/11 was all faked, how long before you told your best friend, he told someone elso and so on and so forth.


Could not keep this conspiracy quiet for 4 and 1/2 years. Period.

This isn't a shampoo commercial.
There ARE thousands involved. Power and money - more than any of us could ever possibly imagine - is a very powerful inducement. Thousands of witnesses have been talking since 09-11-2001, we're just not being allowed to hear from them via mainstream media. "It appeared to be a Cruise Missile with wings", because it WAS a Missile - just ALLOW that for a minute and doesn't it turn your stomach? Search for and read the eyewitness reports of Military members from inside and outside the Pentagon - who'd seen combat and state it was a Missile, not an Airliner, for more reasons than simply what it looked like, the size of the hole or the amount of damage...all information supplied by the Government, by the way...they say the impact, explosion, and the concussion afterward was the give away that it had to be a Missile. Any way, all of this isn't news to me, I'd heard of it all some time ago. There's more, but I don't know if it's true and Heaven KNOWS I don't want to believe our Government would or could be involved in something so sinister! (Where's the Airliner/s? I read at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.) Do I believe our leaders "capable" of such atrocities as 09-11 for the greater good of their amassing more power and wealth in the "New American Century"? Sadly, I have to say yes.




Also, I don't believe Dubya's "in power" and "the mastermind" (Mastermind, bwahahaha, that's a GOOD one! ), he's just a member of the Cartel, you know, the "Society For The New American Century" or whatever it's called...and if anyone is in charge, I'd say it's Cheney. They have never even TRIED to hide their agenda, that's what's so amazing to me! Just some of the members, for years, are: Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld and even Jeb...and what do you know, Dubya said recently that Jeb "could be President"...and what do you know, Voting Machines are now the LAW! Heaven help the USA, and the world.

[Blain]

There would have to be 100's or even thousands of people involved if there were a giant conspiracy. there are more leaks from our government today than at any other time.

How are THEY keeping all these people quiet? If you knew that 9/11 was all faked, how long before you told your best friend, he told someone elso and so on and so forth.


Could not keep this conspiracy quiet for 4 and 1/2 years. Period.

This isn't a shampoo commercial.
There ARE thousands involved. Power and money - more than any of us could ever possibly imagine - is a very powerful inducement. Thousands of witnesses have been talking since 09-11-2001, we're just not being allowed to hear from them via mainstream media. "It appeared to be a Cruise Missile with wings", because it WAS a Missile - just ALLOW that for a minute and doesn't it turn your stomach? Search for and read the eyewitness reports of Military members from inside and outside the Pentagon - who'd seen combat and state it was a Missile, not an Airliner, for more reasons than simply what it looked like, the size of the hole or the amount of damage...all information supplied by the Government, by the way...they say the impact, explosion, and the concussion afterward was the give away that it had to be a Missile. Any way, all of this isn't news to me, I'd heard of it all some time ago. There's more, but I don't know if it's true and Heaven KNOWS I don't want to believe our Government would or could be involved in something so sinister! (Where's the Airliner/s? I read at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.) Do I believe our leaders "capable" of such atrocities as 09-11 for the greater good of their amassing more power and wealth in the "New American Century"? Sadly, I have to say yes.




Also, I don't believe Dubya's "in power" and "the mastermind" (Mastermind, bwahahaha, that's a GOOD one! ), he's just a member of the Cartel, you know, the "Society For The New American Century" or whatever it's called...and if anyone is in charge, I'd say it's Cheney. They have never even TRIED to hide their agenda, that's what's so amazing to me! Just some of the members, for years, are: Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld and even Jeb...and what do you know, Dubya said recently that Jeb "could be President"...and what do you know, Voting Machines are now the LAW! Heaven help the USA, and the world.

If you really believe all of this, I just have to give up. You can't argue with crazy.

[lonewolf]

I always find it amusing that the same folks who say George Bush is borderline retarded are also saying that he has masterminded the greatest conspiracy mankind has ever known.

LMAO

[lonewolf]

There was considerable wreckage at the Pentagon to photograph--it was all inside the building. I wonder why the conspiracy theorists were looking outside?

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

For a missile to produce truck-sized holes thru 5 succeeding steel reinforced concrete walls, it would have to detonate 5 times. We do not have such a missile. We also do not have an air-launched missile or bunker buster that is large enough to produce truck sized holes in the steel reinforced concrete walls at the Pentagon without detonation. Once detonated, it would not proceed thru the succeeding walls. The Pentagon is an extremely fire-resistant building and the ensuing fire could only have been caused by the presence of a flammable substance such as jet fuel.

The only logical deduction that I can come up with is that those pesky aliens did it.

[RobTheDrummer]

Hey Lonewolf, did you notice how much harder those pics were to find than all the consiracy thoery pics? Wonder why that is?

[YankeeRose]

"PROJECT For The New American Century"...damn, I always FORGET that word! Somehow, a Society would seem less ominous than a "PROJECT", wouldn't you say?



http://www.newamericancentury.org/



Here's just some of the early "Charter Members" (Yes, Dubya can be found on there, GHW too, I do believe.) and some of their "views":




June 3, 1997



American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.



(AWWWW, those POOR Defense Contractors were really HURTING, weren't they???)



We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.



(Rally support! Can you say "if you don't agree with the President, you're a traitor"?)



Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?
We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world.



(Just what the heck are the "tools of statecraft", any way? Oh, I get it - telling the rest of the world, "either you're with us, or against us".)





Elliott Abrams    Gary Bauer    William J. Bennett    Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney    Eliot A. Cohen    Midge Decter    Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes Aaron Friedberg    Francis Fukuyama    Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle Donald Kagan    Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen Donald Rumsfeld
Vin Weber   George Weigel
Paul Wolfowitz
 



All names to be PROUD of.


I may be a little whacked at times,
(Who on here isn't? ), but I'm not crazy. Whoever blindly believes everything this Administration is telling them about 09-11 is the CERTIFIABLE KOOK!

[BDR]

I always find it amusing that the same folks who say George Bush is borderline retarded are also saying that he has masterminded the greatest conspiracy mankind has ever known.

I would never accuse G.W. of masterminding anything. He's a puppet for the party — like Reagan — only he can't speak the English language.

Flame away.

r:>)

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

I always find it amusing that the same folks who say George Bush is borderline retarded are also saying that he has masterminded the greatest conspiracy mankind has ever known.

I would never accuse G.W. of masterminding anything. He's a puppet for the party — like Reagan — only he can't speak the English language.

Flame away.

r:>)

*standing ovation*

also, big fucking props to YankeeRose for busting out the trump card, in the Project for the New American Century. I was going to yesterday, but most people in Central Pennsylvania either A) Refuse to look outside the GOP's bullshit dianetics, or B) Dont know such an organization exists... good job, YankeeRose!

[lonewolf]

Hey Lonewolf, did you notice how much harder those pics were to find than all the consiracy thoery pics? Wonder why that is?

all ya gotta do is google flight 77 wreckage

there is enough there for all political persuasions.

I still blame everything on the grays.

[YankeeRose]

I would never accuse G.W. of masterminding anything. He's a puppet for the party — like Reagan — only he can't speak the English language.

Flame away.

r:>)

BIG HUG!



AtoMikEnRtiA, I'm not used to that! THANK YOU.

[BDR]

I was in Washington, D.C. on 9/12/01, escorted to the Pentagon crash site by aides appointed to me as a member of the press by Congressman Shuster’s office. I took my own pictures and I’m here to tell you, the plane hit the building. Period. The gash in that building, made from solid Indiana limestone, was huge. 4,600 Pentagon employees were displaced after the crash. 47,000 tons of debris was removed from the crash site. The building was fucked up bad.

If anything, the whole Flight 93 scenario makes less sense than anything about that day. Do I consider those passengers heroes? Sure. If all they did was sit in their seats and die like those in the other three planes, their lives were still sacrifced on the darkest day of our nation’s history. But I don’t see how there’s any way we didn’t shoot that plane down after three other planes already impacted three major U.S. buildings in succession. Jets were scrambled as soon as the WTC North Tower was hit and ... this just in ... those fighters are fast. Flight 93 was identified early as off course and more than likely hijacked. They had orders to take the plane out. Count on that.

Also, I had two reporters in Shanksville on 9/11/01. There wasn’t even a shred of scrap metal in that field. No clothes, no personal effects. Nothing. Just a crater. I don’t know about you, but I’ve seen my share of planes crashed into the ground on CNN and there’s debris ... everytime. This plane was flying low — real low according to countless eyewitness reports — so it didn't have as far to fall. Where's the debris?

Do the stories of the passengers taking back the plane hurt anything? No. I do, however, hate the way the extreme right has constantly tried to use the Flight 93 story as a battle cry in a war against people who had nothing at all to do with 9/11. This, in my opinion, sullies the memory of those who perished.

We had a free ticket to take out the Taliban and collect Mr. bin Laden following 9/11. The whole world was behind us. Key word: was.

http://www.flight93crash.com/

r:>)

[Bag]

The first news report from Shanksville/ Lambertsville that I saw, they had 2 farmers that said they heard a loud boom that made them look up. They then saw the plane crash. What was the "loud boom?" I'd say it was the plane being shot down. Just my opinion. That DOES NOT take away from what those passengers tried to do though. They're still heroes for not sitting back and letting those deranged idiots crash the plane into another building. (Probably the White House) That is the only thing that I doubt about the whole ordeal.

Would the families of the deceased passengers "understand" bringing the plane down before it got to D.C.? I don't know. If the military DID shoot it down, I think it was the right thing to do. Would I still feel this way if one of my relatives or friends were on it? I'm not sure. If it did happen that way, should it be covered up?

[RobTheDrummer]

You know, that's a bad theory. They allowed the families of flight 93 to listen to the black box audio. Are you gonna take the word from the redneck farmers or the black box?

[BDR]

I'll take the word of an every day citizen who actually saw with his own eyes what happened over information or "recordings" supplied by this administration.

Point is, Rob, IMHO, if Flight 93 was shot down, it was justifiable for the greater good. No one knows really where that plane was being taken before it crashed. It could've killed thousands more, depending on its intended target.

r:>)

[Banned]

"PROJECT For The New American Century"...damn, I always FORGET that word! Somehow, a Society would seem less ominous than a "PROJECT", wouldn't you say?



http://www.newamericancentury.org/



Here's just some of the early "Charter Members" (Yes, Dubya can be found on there, GHW too, I do believe.) and some of their "views":




June 3, 1997



American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.



(AWWWW, those POOR Defense Contractors were really HURTING, weren't they???)



We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.



(Rally support! Can you say "if you don't agree with the President, you're a traitor"?)



Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?
We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world.



(Just what the heck are the "tools of statecraft", any way? Oh, I get it - telling the rest of the world, "either you're with us, or against us".)





Elliott Abrams    Gary Bauer    William J. Bennett    Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney    Eliot A. Cohen    Midge Decter    Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes Aaron Friedberg    Francis Fukuyama    Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle Donald Kagan    Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen Donald Rumsfeld
Vin Weber   George Weigel
Paul Wolfowitz
 



All names to be PROUD of.


I may be a little whacked at times,
(Who on here isn't? ), but I'm not crazy. Whoever blindly believes everything this Administration is telling them about 09-11 is the CERTIFIABLE KOOK!

Tokyo Rose, How can you possibly live in this country with all these EVIL conspiracies? I could not agree any more with all of the statements about the Clinton administration.

[RobTheDrummer]

That's why they consider the people in the plane to be heros. They risked their own lives to erase any possibility of others being killed. Not everything is a coverup, scandal, conspiracy, or misinformation. It's kinda fun to believe in conspiracy theories and such. But 93 wasn't shot down.

[BDR]

But 93 wasn't shot down.

... because you know that. It makes no sense for our military to not shoot this plane down with the ample amount of time they had to do it, coupled with the fact that three major buildings had already been struck with hijacked airliners.

Your above statement reads like a press release from the White House.

r:>)

[RobTheDrummer]

I don't know for sure, no one does. I just don't think it was shot down. Even if I'm ignorant about it, it makes me feel good to think that there are actually people out there that take other's lives before their own. That's all.

Don't insult me with this press release stuff!