Tired of the PLCB Noise Rule? Send a letter!

Lady Rock · Post by **Lady Rock** » Tuesday Apr 11, 2006

There was never any battle about DJ's competing with bands in local bars. DJ's mainly compete with other DJ's. and he didn't play any where that took a gig from a band. The discussion regarding talent and music ability was already stated that a DJ does not compare to a band except for the frill of trying to make a buck! No one is looking for any credit from you. But I do agree that unless something drastic is done, there won't be a bar to drink in let alone hear a band in.

Lady Rock · Post by **Lady Rock** » Tuesday Apr 11, 2006

yes, anti-bean tendencies all the way!

whenangelsfck · Post by **whenangelsfck** » Tuesday Apr 11, 2006

The best things in this world has resulted from disruptive things. Disruption leads to change. Or it's just fun and sarcastic. I don't believe that you have the right to degrade anyone just because you think you're right. Maybe Gazoo doesn't describe what he's trying to say very well, or maybe he's saying exactly what he thinks. Either way, he doesn't owe it to anyone to 'post clearer in the future'. We're gravely sorry that you've misinterpreted him, but we're sure you'll get over it in the future. Try to not be so harshly judgemental and perhaps we'll all get along some day.

Oh god. Here comes the DJ vs. Band shit again. How about we avoid this issue by simply saying that you have your opinions and other people will have theirs. I have alot to say on that topic, and it's probably not what you would expect. But seriously. It's not like you're a bunch of animals fighting for food. You're grown men (and perhaps women) competing for business. It happens all over the world every minute of the day. It doens't matter that one person is a dj and another is in a band. Forget the details. When it comes down to it, aren't bands competing also? Hmph.

And sir. When it comes down to the real things that matter, such as this issue over noise ordinance - yeah, you're right. But whether you are a DJ, a band, a singer, or anyone who plays sound waves over a certain level, we should all be working together. Why? Because we are all entertainers (not me really, since I'm a lousy teenager) and we all want to show people the things we love to do and are good at. Shouldn't we be working together? What affects you, affects DJ's.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Tuesday Apr 11, 2006

Lady Rock wrote:yes, anti-bean tendencies all the way!

But they're such a versatile food.

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Tuesday Apr 11, 2006

i like beans they give me gas and then my girlfriend leaves me alone for awhile!!!!

byndrsn · Post by **byndrsn** » Wednesday Apr 12, 2006

whenangelsfck wrote:

Oh god. Here comes the DJ vs. Band shit again. How about we avoid this issue by simply saying that you have your opinions and other people will have theirs.

I've been trying to stay out of this discussion altogether because I could see where it was going - but I MUST make a comment to the "whenangelsfck" post:

What the hell are YOU talking about when you say "Here comes the DJ vs. Band shit again? You only joined Rockpage Yesterday!!!!!!

And, regardless of if you are a band, a bar owner, a DJ or a Fan - we are all being affected by the bullshit Illegal Alcohol Levels and the bullshit Noise lack of Noise Level definitions that PLCB enforces.

And - We can fight city hall. It can be done. It may not happen today, next week or even this decade - but if we continue to work at it and continue to get more people involved - they will listen to us. But this sort of bickering will not help accomplish anything.

Urbs

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Wednesday Apr 12, 2006

I know gazoo17 and I don't think he had any more intent than to good-naturedly get some laughs out of my post.

I'm glad this thread is still hovering around the top of the list but also quite disappointed.

There are around 2000 rockpagers and if this thread is any indication, only a relative handful are supporting this effort.

I would like to take this opportunity to remind everybody what this thread is for:

DOWNLOAD THE APPROPRIATE LETTER. PRINT IT, SIGN IT, LICK IT AND STICK IT!

When you are done, log back onto Rockpage and tell us by adding to this thread. Make this thread longer than that goofy game that has everybody chasing their tails over and over and over (shoot me)....

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Wednesday Apr 12, 2006

There are far more people who enjoy Clubs/Bars/Entertainment and also have a vested interest in it (are Musicians and Venue owners) than are members of RockPage. Being that there's been a recent article in the Mirror highlighting the PLCB/E problem, I'd wager I'm not the only one to think it might not be a bad time to get the media involved. It would be a great "follow-up" piece, or even a new feature, showing that it hasn't gone un-noticed and that others who care about the problem can try to do something about it. Separate links to the letters could be placed in the article and talk about a "flood" of mail???

'Eh, it's just a thought.

jangel · Post by **jangel** » Wednesday Apr 12, 2006

I agree with the last two posts..............I don't know gazoo but it was not the thread to make the comments that he did.............at this point a few dedicated members are trying to mount an attack............."fight City Hall" as its called. If you didn't join in and do your part by sending in a signed letter then you shouldn't have posted on this thread. With the number of members theis page has we should have seen several hundred posts in the first couple of days.........maybe a thousand by now. What the hell is everybody waiting for!

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday Apr 17, 2006

If you haven't downloaded a letter to your Senator regarding changing the PLCB Noise Rule, you are encouraged to do so now.

With your support, we can get this rule changed before the end of summer.

The only person who would oppose changing this rule is a rogue Altoona division PLCE sergeant who has been abusing it for a few years. A fair noise rule will put a stop to the loopholes that he has been exploiting.

cruseaudio · Post by **cruseaudio** » Monday Apr 17, 2006

Not that anyone should care, but I haven't posted anything on here in quite a while. Partly because I am to busy to even get on here lately, partly becuase it is the SAME OLD CRAP on here EVERY F$&KIN day.

Although I haven't been able to make it to the meetings for PACAG lately, I still agree with what we are trying to do. For the friggin little kids on here that don't realize that those of us who are trying to do it are doing it to help YOU inspite of yourselves should all sit back, shut up, and let the adults run things. If you don't agree- NOBODY cares. And I think it is obvious by all the posts.

I especially love the one on page 2 where someone decided to post thier "feelings" about herself and her silly lil friend, which AGAIN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC!

This kinda stuff is what has been killing the scene around here, God I can't beleive I have to write this again, this lack of professionalism, lack of character that some show on here, and just plain lack of intelligence in NOT knowing when to keep your mouth shut when others are nice enough to do your work for you is just plain SAD

Now someone is gonna tell me I am not making any friends again. Right?

Well here we are though, about three years away from having to PAY to PLAY, think I'm wrong? Time WILL prove me right. Most of the people on here aren't far from that now. Show of hands from the people who make MORE than their gas money home for the majority of their gigs. anybody? anybody? (sorry, bad attempt at humor)

Straiten up folks

It will be funny when the LCE starts making the BANDS pay the fines, won't it? Think that can't happen?

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Monday Apr 17, 2006

Hopefully people tuned into the BYR last night. I feel like a goober though; I said "shoot in the dark" instead of "shot in the dark". I hate public speaking, even if JP's the only audience in the room. *LOL*

Anyways, I didn't get to listen in last night, but hopefully others did.

jangel · Post by **jangel** » Monday Apr 17, 2006

Well I went to the web sit (Pacag) to check out the site and noticed the counter at 93...............and my first thought was thats all that has gone to this site to down load a letter or just check it out. I assume that some may of made copies to get signed.....and also realize that some did not.
And I know some have sent in more than a couple letters. But the thing that bothers me is we need a massive response with this campaign not a smattering of a couple hundred letters. then another question pops into my mind ....is rockpage (majority) under 18 yrs old?

onetooloud · Post by **onetooloud** » Monday Apr 17, 2006

I've given letters to a couple of club and or bar owners to mail out along with requests of a personalized note.

Some of these same people apon seeing me again have asked for more letters and envolopes to send out. Many in PACAG supply stamped addressed envolpes to be mailed .

Damn did some of those people catch me off quard! I felt some of the very same people wouldn't get off the bar stool to do anything, let along ask for more!!

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Monday Apr 17, 2006

Here's an idea, many people here for the past couple of months, have been kicking around the idea of having a rockpage outdoors type music
festival. Why not everyone on here who gives a shit, just get together
and do that in the name of protesting this dumb ass law.
We could do it for free, Soundmen volunteer your time and equipment,
bands, learn to get along (which most of us do) regardless of genre, coverbands, and original bands. I'm sure we could get media exposure
for something like this.(Especially if we promote the hell out of it.)
If you are really serious about this, let's shoot for a weekend in early
August and do it. I know that plenty of bands will be willing to do this,
and I'm resourceful enough that I shouldn't have a problem finding a venue, but I really need to hear from some peopl regarding a P.A. system
for something like this. Instead of charging we could have everyone who wants to come bring a stamped envelope, and sign a letter, then we could mail'em out. Feel free to voice your opinions and ideas, pro and con.

feral · Post by **feral** » Monday Apr 17, 2006

because they'll bust you for making too much noise lol

kickinband · Post by **kickinband** » Monday Apr 17, 2006

Sanchez,
We have that in the works already. It's something that PACAG has been talking about for the last couple of meetings. For those that still don't know what PACAG is yet, we have our own website now. It is still not completed yet but it has come along way very quickly. Go to http://www.pacag.org and please sign in and submit the form. We will get you a letter sent to your email address very soon. Pass the link around. Also, on the sight is a links page. We are looking to fill this page up with many sponsors who believe what we are doing is right. Send those band logo's along with web url's and we'll get your link posted. We will have the next meeting date posted on the web real soon.
Thanks again to all that have sent letters to their Senator. All I have to say is keep on sending more and duplicate that letter as many times as you can and keep on passing them out.
Steve

onetooloud · Post by **onetooloud** » Friday May 05, 2006

Just lookin to keep subject curreent this is damn important

Post by **Jim Price** » Friday May 05, 2006

An idea that crossed my mind...

I'll be attending the Millennium Music Conference in Harrisburg in late June. I'll be there as part of the Pennsylvania Musician contingent; I'll also have some table space for Q94 "Backyard Rocker" stuff. I could also allot some of that space to place the PACAG letters for anybody interested in filling them out.

This brings up two questions:

1. For Lonewolf or anybody else in the know - how soon does the legislature begin looking at the Liquor Code issue? If their time frame to start looking at this is later in the summer, the letters at the Millennium Music Conference would be a great opportunity to get people FROM ACROSS THE STATE involved, filling out the letter so we can mail it out to their representatives...which brings up the second question:

2. Would it be possible to draw up a generic edition of the letter without a specific legislator's name that anybody can fill out; then going by the signee's listed hometown, we figure out who their representative is and mail it to that person. I imagine that we could get some Harrisburg, York, Lancaster and probably some Philadelphia folks interested, other parts of the state as well.

jangel · Post by **jangel** » Friday May 05, 2006

There are changes being made to the liquor code....I just received a letter on another antiquated section that has been changed in favor of the bar/hotel licensee. So there is a good chance that if we can get the response we need we can get them to move on it.

onetooloud · Post by **onetooloud** » Saturday May 06, 2006

We where never given an exact date of reveiw. We where only told late spring early summer.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Monday May 08, 2006

I spoke yesterday with Bob Jubelirer's assistant, who told me nothing's getting done in Harrisburg right now... they're all in election mode. Incidentally, Eich is a social conservative, very right wing... he wouldn't be friendly to a bunch of longhairs playing that rock and roll, under any circumstances. Greg Morris is a former promoter and booking agent whom no veteran local band would work with, guess why. Do the math and vote accordingly.------>JMS

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday May 08, 2006

Jim Price wrote:Would it be possible to draw up a generic edition of the letter without a specific legislator's name that anybody can fill out; then going by the signee's listed hometown, we figure out who their representative is and mail it to that person. I imagine that we could get some Harrisburg, York, Lancaster and probably some Philadelphia folks interested, other parts of the state as well.

I just added a Dear Senator .pdf to the sticky under "THE LAW" that is available for download.

drums=life · Post by **drums=life** » Monday May 08, 2006

I wish some of these politicians were with us this past saturday. FedUP cranked up and filled the woods of bellwood with LOUD ASS METAL. We as a band have sent these letters in and signed them. Lets all get together and push this all the way to harrisburgh. Get sanchez a bottle of gin and a PA and harrisburgh can hear him from here. Love ya sanchez...

Trucula · Post by **Trucula** » Monday May 08, 2006

DIRTY SANCHEZ for President!!