So much for the religion of peace

[Banned]

from the Associated Press:


Afghan Man Faces Death for Allegedly Converting to Christianity

Sunday , March 19, 2006




KABUL, Afghanistan — An Afghan man who allegedly converted from Islam to Christianity is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be sentenced to death, a judge said Sunday.

The defendant, Abdul Rahman, was arrested last month after his family went to the police and accused him of becoming a Christian, Judge Ansarullah Mawlavezada told the Associated Press in an interview. Such a conversion would violate the country's Islamic laws.

Rahman, who is believed to be 41, was charged with rejecting Islam when his trial started last week, the judge said.

During the hearing, the defendant allegedly confessed that he converted from Islam to Christianity 16 years ago when he was 25 and working as a medical aid worker for Afghan refugees in neighboring Pakistan, Mawlavezada said.

Afghanistan's constitution is based on Shariah law, which states that any Muslim who rejects their religion should be sentenced to death.

"We are not against any particular religion in the world. But in Afghanistan, this sort of thing is against the law," the judge said. "It is an attack on Islam. ... The prosecutor is asking for the death penalty."

The prosecutor, Abdul Wasi, said the case was the first of its kind in Afghanistan.

He said that he had offered to drop the charges if Rahman changed his religion back to Islam, but the defendant refused.

Mawlavezada said he would rule on the case within two months.

Afghanistan is a deeply conservative society and 99 percent of its 28 million people are Muslim. The rest are mainly Hindus.


---Gee, with a religion this peaceful and open minded, how could they possible be associated with terrorists?

[bassist_25]

They need to be killing people who convert to Scientology. If someone's stupid enough to follow that "religion," their seed needs to be wiped from the face of the Earth.

p.s. Whether it's Islam, Christianity, or Hinduism, people have been slaughtering each other for centuries over religion, so I fail to see the point of the thread.

[Bert|Evil]

They need to be killing people who convert to Scientology.

How many times have I agreed with you? Well, that was pretty good. Did you catch the South Park rip on Scientology?

[bassist_25]

They need to be killing people who convert to Scientology.

How many times have I agreed with you? Well, that was pretty good. Did you catch the South Park rip on Scientology?

I haven't caught the episode, but from what I understand, Issac Hayes converted to Scientology and left the show. I normally don't rip on people for their religious views, but I'll bash Scientologists until the day I die.

[Staceman]

Actually, he's been a scientologist for a long time.

Only a month after the episode aired, he was quoted in an intereview as saying that the episode didn't offend him. I imagine the $cientology higher ups made him quit the show, else suffer consequences.

There's more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Hayes#Scientology

[HarleyRo1]

Hope you caught the initial airing of the episode, because it won't be aired again. Apparently the episode was pulled - and "it didn't have anything to do with Tom Cruise" - said his publicist.

[Banned]

They need to be killing people who convert to Scientology. If someone's stupid enough to follow that "religion," their seed needs to be wiped from the face of the Earth.

p.s. Whether it's Islam, Christianity, or Hinduism, people have been slaughtering each other for centuries over religion, so I fail to see the point of the thread.

It seems to me that as of today, only Islam is slaughtering innocent people over religion. Killing someone cause he switched religions is about barbaric as it gets.

I just want to open some eyes as to what is behind our fight against global terrorist. I do not support Bush on many, many topics (read my posts about him being a socialist which is as low as you can get) but I do support he leading (maybe not so well) our fight against terrorism.

Some day this fight against terrorism will turn out to be a religious war against elements of Islam. And when laws of a country will kill someone because they will not convert back to Islam, it is not just the extremists of Islam.

[f.sciarrillo]

They need to be killing people who convert to Scientology. If someone's stupid enough to follow that "religion," their seed needs to be wiped from the face of the Earth.

p.s. Whether it's Islam, Christianity, or Hinduism, people have been slaughtering each other for centuries over religion, so I fail to see the point of the thread.

It seems to me that as of today, only Islam is slaughtering innocent people over religion. Killing someone cause he switched religions is about barbaric as it gets.

I just want to open some eyes as to what is behind our fight against global terrorist. I do not support Bush on many, many topics (read my posts about him being a socialist which is as low as you can get) but I do support he leading (maybe not so well) our fight against terrorism.

Some day this fight against terrorism will turn out to be a religious war against elements of Islam. And when laws of a country will kill someone because they will not convert back to Islam, it is not just the extremists of Islam.

If you look at it, it is a religous war. Religion is the main reason why bin laden attacked us.

[songsmith]

Christians killed tens of thousands during the Crusades, and the Inquisitions. If you weren't Christian, you needed to be eliminated, lest you question their faith. The powerful religious zealots in charge simply HAD to keep the power. Kinda like now.--------->JMS

[Bert|Evil]

They need to be killing people who convert to Scientology.

How many times have I agreed with you? Well, that was pretty good. Did you catch the South Park rip on Scientology?

I haven't caught the episode, but from what I understand, Issac Hayes converted to Scientology and left the show. I normally don't rip on people for their religious views, but I'll bash Scientologists until the day I die.

Looks as if you'll have to wait until AFTER Mission Impossible 3 is out and done with in the theaters. Tom Cruise refuses to make one TV appearance if that SP episode isn't pulled. That would mean NO promotions for the movie, and Mirimax/ Viacom own South Park and the upcoming movie.

I didn't hear the Jews, Catholics, or Mormons complain when SP lampooned them. Maybe this is yet another reason why movie stars are so out of touch with reality and logic, especially when politics are involved.

I'll try to summarize how the episode went:

Stan took a test and paid $200 to the Church of Scientology
A far-fetched looking narrative briefed the foundation of belief for scientology (and a note at the bottom of the screen read "Scientologists REALLY Believe This".

Stan's scores ranked high enough to be the "promised one"

Tom Cruise showed up to ask Stan if he approves of him. Stan Says "your movies are.... ok".

Tom Cruise hides in the closet as a result. Throughout the rest of the episode, they find creative ways to say "will Tom Cruise be coming out of the closet anytime soon?.

(I'm sure that I forgot a lot, so feel free to fill in the blanks)

[tornandfrayed]

I typed up a big reply to this and then deleted it.

This thread is about spreading hatred. I think that is sad. I hope someday you stop.

[Banned]

When practicioneers of the religion of peace come over here and kill 3000 of us in a few hours, I think you need to tell them to stop hating.

I started this post with a news story of the world TODAY, not news of the Crusades Songsmith. I had bet one of my friends that someone would bring up the Crusades in this post. Liberals seem guilty that sometime in the past, not all white men were good.

We as the white race have an imperfect past. So what. I wasn't there then. Name me one group of people who were saints for their whole history.

Hre is some more history, Muslim's have never ended the Crusades. They still claim Spain as occupied Muslim land (they teach this in early elementary schools).

The new whack-job leader of Iran believes he is the reincarnation of the "12th prophet" who will reign doom down on the infidels. The U.N. is twiddling their thumbs while Iran is building a nuclear weapon. Does Iran have to nuc a million people before we can truely say they have WMD?

[Bert|Evil]

This thread is about spreading hatred. I think that is sad. I hope someday you stop.

Looks as if it is STILL a thread about hatred.

FUCK ALLAH!!! Do you feel better now? Hmmm?

[Bert|Evil]

I started this post with a news story of the world TODAY, not news of the Crusades Songsmith. I had bet one of my friends that someone would bring up the Crusades in this post. Liberals seem guilty that sometime in the past, not all white men were good.

Hre is some more history, Muslim's have never ended the Crusades. They still claim Spain as occupied Muslim land (they teach this in early elementary schools).

No offense, Joe, but I think you just hit the point that Songsmith was trying to make. In the Crusades, we were able to control some things for the greater good, even if they do have an elitist tone them in retrospect. Now, religion is just one of those subjects that one tries to avoid. Therefore, not much has changed with the Muslims, yet the civil liberties of the day protect them. Makes me wonder if we should "Shock and Awe" all of them in the name of God, not the good 'ol USA.

Don't get me wrong... I'm with you on this one!!

Songsmith - Many pardons if I read your post out of context.

[Bert|Evil]

deleted double post - my bad!

[songsmith]

Plus I'm not a liberal. Fiscal conservative, social libertarian, I study the effects of a given issue depending on how it affects ME and mine. I've long ago tired of apologizing for my views, unless I am mean to someone by accident because I am not a mean-spirited person. I disagree when I disagree. C'mon Joe, we hang out... you know me!-------->JMS

[Banned]

Plus I'm not a liberal. Fiscal conservative, social libertarian, I study the effects of a given issue depending on how it affects ME and mine. I've long ago tired of apologizing for my views, unless I am mean to someone by accident because I am not a mean-spirited person. I disagree when I disagree. C'mon Joe, we hang out... you know me!-------->JMS

Nothing personal at all. Just that bringing up the Crusades which happened over 1000 years ago (and not a single American citizen was involved) has nothing to do with Islamic terrorists attacking America, Great Brittain, Spain, and others today.

Chirstians were not killing anyone who was not Christian indiscriminately. Islam invaded and held most of Spain. It was Islam that was either converting the captured to Islam or death. Same as today, see the story that started this post.

[songsmith]

Actually, if you did not profess allegiance to the Pope, you were killed. If you advanced the course of science or technology, you were killed. If you did not abide by the Catholic law, including with your time and money, you were eliminated. Any idea that did not support the Church's position was a dangerous idea. "If you're not with us, you're against us."
Fundamentalist Christians and Fundamentalist Muslims have much in common. Each believes that his personal view is the only one that could possibly be true, each bends reality to suit his own ego, each decided that everything is black and white, and rather than give an issue lots of time-consuming and difficult thought, it's better to pick an extremist leader, and follow him. Each interprets his religion's holy documents in such a way to suit his own sense of what is right and wrong, and justifies his own actions so as not to feel guilty. Each overlooks his religion's edict that people are not to judge other people, and this is why vast majorities of both sides will never see their version of Heaven, were such a place to exist. I take a great deal of satisfaction in this.
I mention things that happened a thousand years ago. The Islamists just want things the way they were a thousand years ago, when they controlled most of the civilized world with their religion of power and elitism. The Christians just want things the way they were a thousand years ago, when they invaded most of the civilized world with their religion of power and elitism. It's still just that way. Long ago , it was Johannes Kepler being eliminated for figuring out the laws of Planetary Motion. Now, it's Stem Cell research (what happens if God wants to call Grandpa home, but Dr. Ramachandra fixes him with an aborted fetus?) and compulsory Creative Design education (not-so-thinly-veiled Christian mythology).

It's time we open our eyes and accept the reality of science. The sky is blue, and we know why. Dinosaurs existed hundreds of millions of years ago, and we know why. Life evolves, and despite some people not having the grey matter to accept it despite their own ego's, We Know Why.

We also need to accept the reality of the present. The US status as a superpower is slipping away. Our economy, controlled by those who benefit only themselves (ideas known variably as capitalism and entrepreneurship) has exported our manufacturing capabilities, for great personal profit, and touted something they call a Service Economy. Who serves who? There will eventually be two classes: Managerial and Service.
My advice: learn Chinese. The fastest-growing economy in history is supporting our steel and lumber industries with their amazing growth. It's currently their Industrial Revolution, with no labor unions or environmental laws to hold them back.
Our Military powers will be thinly spread all over the planet, variously defending our principles and solving other people's problems. Any natural or political disaster will be our responsiblity, as the world has come to expect this from us and hates us if we don't act. The worldwide political capital we gained after 9/11 was evaporated by the Iraq debacle. WE are the bad guys in the worldview.
The greatest democratic government in the world is now rife with partisan division, self-preservation, and corporate corruption. Both sides, and that's what's dangerous. Nothing gets done, except for talking heads defending their own ineptitude and greed. The liberals want only to give everything away, and the conservatives seek only to place their own party as the only party. Rome is burning, and the fiddles are deafening.
Just like TWO thousand years ago.--------->JMS

[BDR]

Any idea that did not support the Church's position was a dangerous idea. "If you're not with us, you're against us."

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes."

Obi-Wan Kenobi, speaking to Anakin Skywalker (Darth Vader) just before kicking his treacherous, Jedi-screwing-over, punk ass ...

r:>)

[songsmith]

The Force is strong in you, Robbie-Wan. ------->JMS

[Banned]

Songsmith, do you see what is going on in Iraq as a religious war. You seem to equate the involvment of the USA as the next Christian Crusade?

I can buy the part that radical Islam does want to kill us (they did on 9/11). I think we were ok with them until 9/11. I do not think we are at war to convert all Islamists to Chirstianity. We are at war with the ones killing us.

If you can show me any evidence that we want to dominate the world and convert it to Christianity, I will reconsider.


Conservatives actually are digusted by this Republican party. Bush is doing so badly in the recent polls is because the conservatives are not supporting him. They (me included) see him as a big spending democrat, evidenced by the new $9 trillion debt limit.

[ZappasXWife]

I do not support Bush on many, many topics (read my posts about him being a socialist which is as low as you can get) but I do support he leading (maybe not so well) our fight against terrorism.

Interesting...do you also support his party's idea to "bring Christ into the ballot box" ? Because as I read your initial post, I'm thinking, this is why we should not mix church and state. Its a slippery slope friends.

[songsmith]

Joe, I come from a Fundamentalist Christian background, speaking in tongues, smote in the spirit, the whole nine.
The Republican party uses Christian morals as a touchpoint EVERY DAY to mobilize the so-called Christian Right powerbase. It's who reelected Bush. You don't hear conservative talkshows discussing the fiscal costs of Iraq, you hear about removing "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance," reversing Roe Vs. Wade, and how the liberals are trying to stop Christmas. Bush's alleged daily talk with God is extremely important to the folks who kept him in power, and never lose sight of that. Fundamentalists truly believe that only they know the truth, that their relationship with their Creator is better than anyone else's because of it. That everything is black and white, and easy to figure out. Why? Because their ego's tell them that if they can't comprehend something, it is wrong, or irrelevant, otherwise they'd already know it.
Also, if this isn't a new Christian ethics vs. Muslim ethics battle, what's it about? We both know that the 9/11 terrorists were Muslim, and seeked to harm the US because it was outside the Fundamentalist Muslim view. Christian zealots are no different. They don't want to see titties on TV, so neither should you. They don't want a changing world to affect them, so they seek to be the ones making the changes. The Republican party talks about stopping "Big Government," but ask how that applies to marijuana legalization or abortion rights... well, government needs to govern THAT, because it doesn't jibe with what they want. "Big Government" only applies to not interfering with corporate sodomy of the little guy.
I think it IS the new Crusade. If the latest reason we're in Iraq is to install a US-styled democracy to people who don't have the yearning for freedom enough to do it themselves, then that is a Crusade. It's certainly not oil or political gain, right? -------->JMS

[songsmith]

Oop's, I forgot. Neither Osama, nor any of the 9/11 dildoes were Iraqi.
Bush has admitted there were mistakes, and that he made some. His constituents should do the same, and get on with it. If the current administration were Dem, the GOP would have heads rolling.
Question authority.------->JMS

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

i'll speak my peace in just 1 sentence..

Religion is a neurological psychosis - i dont care if you're islamic, christian, jewish, catholic, hindu, scientologist, mormon, atheist, agnostic, seventh day adventist or anything - RELIGION IS A MIND ALTERING DEVICE. so whats all the complaining for?

okay so that was a really long sentence.. ill go further.

God is the leading cause of death in the history of the world - what makes Islam any different than radical christianity..

these 2 philosophies are very important to me, and hey - if you're religious - i respect that. more power to you, I mean no offense to anybody in this - Im just stating my opinion - i dont feel islam to be any less radical than christianity, or judaism - ive spoken my peace