Man, did I ever catch a break tonight!

BDR · Post by **BDR** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

Groovy ...

r:>)

feral · Post by **feral** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

Yes, cops are incurable altruists! Saintly folks. Right up there with the likes of Helen Keller and Mother Theresa.

Have you ever asked yourself why cops shave their heads?

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

feral wrote:Yes, cops are incurable altruists! Saintly folks. Right up there with the likes of Helen Keller and Mother Theresa.

Have you ever asked yourself why cops shave their heads?

Cops shave their heads? Do you mean like Kojak?

Bit*chenWomen1029 · Post by **Bit*chenWomen1029** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

i agree that you shouldnt have been even driving while drinking! Very STUPID on your part. How would you feel knowing your wife and child are out there and theres a drunk driving home . Not the best feeling !

I have disagree with you here ,Yankee, if it werent for the cops there would be 500 times the crime there is now. I know you have had your problems with the cops, but i feel the same way as it was already said on here, most people who dont like the cops are the ones who are always in trouble with cops. (i dont mean that you are by this).

Someone said on here that the cops were trying to meet their quota for the month..... they dont have a quota to meet... like everyone thinks. Everyone think they have to have so many speeding tickets given each month...... well from what i understand they do not have this quota thing.

hey is it true that if u have a cdl the legal limit is .04?????
is that driving the cdl vehicle or is it driving in general??

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

cruseaudio wrote:
There might be a few bad apples but for the most part they are all family oriented, educated VERY PATIENT people who work WAY to many hours for WAY to little pay.

Yankee sorry about your cop problems but cops have to follow rules and the only way to change things is to change laws. Criminals have the luxury of following NO rules. Cops get FIRED for breaking rules.

And a Cop not showing up for a traffic citation hearing is just that particular cop being nice to you.

Everyone hates cops TIL THEY NEED ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, there are way more than a FEW "bad apples" as members of the various police forces and in the system. Others I know HAVE "needed them" and they didn't do a thing, OR did the wrong thing and tell you to "take a hearing" and let the District Justice "figure it out". They then proceed to try and aid their buddy District Justices to bleed money out of you both for the system. I suppose I know a LOT of "criminals". (...as well as am one myself.)

Minersville pigs are well known liars and breakers of the law. You should look them up, it's great reading...unfortunately it's the only incident they were busted on, via a fine paid for by insurance they carry for such things. That was NO Justice for the teen who killed himself due to their actions, nor for his grieving family. However, laws were changed in this country, due to the incident. Isn't that special? There've been more they've gotten away with, for many decades. The pigs involved in the incident with the teen are still on the force and one is the police chief's son...at least I think his daddy is still chief. Also, even state troopers don't get fired for doing the wrong thing or breaking the law, they are simply suspended for a bit with or without pay, are then moved to another barracks, or are even promoted. Am I the only one who knows these things?

You see, I'm one of those morons who grew up believing that if you were responsible, always tried to do the right thing and told the truth, it would matter. I also used to believe that the system would work, that if you were found guilty of offenses with fines totalling only $125, the judge might not crucify such a person and make an example of them at the sentencing hearing. I was hopeful that this judge finally, possibly would see through lies in a histronic "victim's plea" letter from his favorite, requesting I get jail time, see the truth as the jury did and do the right thing in sentencing - it had been a year and I'd gotten in no more trouble, had no priors, not even a speeding ticket - and also do the right thing in setting restitution, "according to the law" and starting with the minimum the Jury recommended. Idiotic, moronic, SILLY me! Two weeks later, my court appointed attorney informed me he had "changed his mind" and refused to file an appeal of the sentence. I haven't even bothered trying to get a different court appointed attorney for a restitution hearing, because it would be with the same judge. Why should I bother? The system works? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a GOOD one!

The trooper not showing up at the hearing for the speeding ticket was not "cutting me a break"...the loaner car I was given to use by Sundance Auto while they were "not verifying the concern" I had about the transmission in my van while it was under warranty (The transmission died a few months later and that's right, I don't have any luck, what so ever!

), didn't have a working Speedomoter/Odometer and I was "keeping up with traffic" on I-80 2 hours away from here when he pulled me over. A car had zipped past me, but I suppose it was going too fast for him to want to really "work for it"...I was last in a line of cars - I always keep 2-3 car lengths between me and the car in front of me - I was "easy pickin's". I told him I would move over or get out and he could drive it back and forth a bit on the shoulder, or watch from the front or back seat while I did and see for himself they didn't work, but he said it didn't matter, speeding was speeding. Very nervous and believe me, VERY "respectful", I politely asked him if he'd seen the car that had just sped past me, yet he pulled me over and he asked me if I was refusing to sign. I had to drive 2 hours to appear at the hearing and was told by the woman at the window that he didn't show up because he had something urgent at the courthouse...he was NOT "cutting me a break". Any way, if I'd simply paid the fine, as many would have done - what kind of a "break" would he have been cutting me then?

There are many "bad apples"...for example, we have the WONDERFUL state police officers of the local PLCE District, don't we? Go ahead, I'd like to see someone defend them. Plus,

we all know how simple and easy it is to change any law.

To my knowledge, the keys can't be in the vehicle - if the car is running with the heat on due to it being February and just a tad cold, with the driver asleep in the back seat - DUI.

IMO, Bag's far-out, groovy Karma that night is a start in making up in Spades for all of us who've been screwed over by all kinds of PIGS.

(Lonewolf, yes, I use words such as
"dude", "pigs", "groovy", and I've been known to utter "far-out" on occasion. I also Loooove Tie Dye, but I don't believe I always look like a Hippy!

)

cruseaudio · Post by **cruseaudio** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

YANKEE You are a broken record.

The Cops are there for the MAJORITY of the public. Sour grapes aren't going to change it!!!
Now as I have said before I have cops in the family, I know there are some bad ones. You are just starting to make yourself look really stupid here.

As you stated in your last post - you are or were a criminal, (the minority) if you will. So what do you expect?

If you are being grouped in with a bunch of criminals and you don't like it, stop telling people about it!!

IF you are mad that cops seem to single you out because of it, just remember when you group all of them in the "pigs" catigory that gives them the right to group you into the scum of the earth catigory.

How is it any different?

SAD

feral · Post by **feral** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

cruseaudio wrote:YANKEE You are a broken record.

The Cops are there for the MAJORITY of the public. Sour grapes aren't going to change it!!!
Now as I have said before I have cops in the family, I know there are some bad ones. You are just starting to make yourself look really stupid here.

As you stated in your last post - you are or were a criminal, (the minority) if you will. So what do you expect?

If you are being grouped in with a bunch of criminals and you don't like it, stop telling people about it!!

IF you are mad that cops seem to single you out because of it, just remember when you group all of them in the "pigs" catigory that gives them the right to group you into the scum of the earth catigory.

How is it any different?

SAD

Yep. All swell guys. Everybody is just doing their jobs, right? Are you a musician, cruise? The PLCB is just doing THEIR job by throwing the book at any bar when an errant note finds its way outside. Right?

Noone's to blame. We're all just (mindlessly) doing our jobs. That's our job.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

BadDazeRob wrote:

Groovy ...

r:>)

BDR · Post by **BDR** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

cruseaudio, responding to YankeeRose, wrote:You are just starting to make yourself look really stupid here.

Starting to?

It's a useless pursuit. Conspiracy theorists have their own version of reality and that's that. You pegged it, cruse, those who have a problem with authority have a problem ... period.

--------------------------------------------------------

RE: PLCB

Again, the law the troopers enforce needs changed, not the troopers.

r:>)

Bag · Post by **Bag** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

I like beans.

I'm beginning to regret posting the story......

Peace!

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

lonewolf wrote:Pigs? Sounds like a Charles Manson-ism.

I haven't heard anybody use that term since the mid 70s.

I thought "pigs" died with "groovy".

Other words heard in the same time period were..

"the man"

"whitey"

"narc"

"military-industrial complex"

"mary jane"

"reefer"

"reel to reel"

"ludes"

It almost makes ya dream about girls in halter tops and bell bottoms again....oh wait, that is what they wear now. Farm out!

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

Bit*chenWomen1029 wrote:i

Someone said on here that the cops were trying to meet their quota for the month..... they dont have a quota to meet... like everyone thinks. Everyone think they have to have so many speeding tickets given each month...... well from what i understand they do not have this quota thing.

Then things have changed. My father use to work for County Control (i.e. a police dispatcher), and they had quotas.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

Also, here's my two cents on the matter.

- Bag shouldn't have been drinking and driving. He objectively passed the sobriety test, and I'm sure he learned his lesson. Story Over.

- There are good cops and there are bad cops. But POWER MUST ALWAYS BE SCRUTINIZED, whether it's a politician or a police officer.

- I live in the same town as YR, and our local officer does some really good things and some really bad things. Most of my dealings with him have been pleasant, but I've seen him be a dick to other people for no good reason (Look in the archives and you'll see my story about an out-of-town band playing a gig here and getting harassed by our local officer).

- Moral elitism makes me laugh. I'm sure everybody that's posted on this thread has never done anything stupid.

Drinking and driving isn't cool, but neither is pretending to be morally elite.

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

bassist_25 wrote:Also, here's my two cents on the matter.

- Bag shouldn't have been drinking and driving. He objectively passed the sobriety test, and I'm sure he learned his lesson. Story Over.

- There are good cops and there are bad cops. But POWER MUST ALWAYS BE SCRUTINIZED, whether it's a politician or a police officer.

- I live in the same town as YR, and our local officer does some really good things and some really bad things. Most of my dealings with him have been pleasant, but I've seen him be a dick to other people for no good reason (Look in the archives and you'll see my story about an out-of-town band playing a gig here and getting harassed by our local officer).

- Moral elitism makes me laugh. I'm sure everybody that's posted on this thread has never done anything stupid. Drinking and driving isn't cool, but neither is pretending to be morally elite.

I'm YankeeRose, and I approve this message.

Anyone who calls me stupid or is derogatory to me in any way are simply showing what their character is, or lack thereof. I don't honestly consider myself a criminal, any more than I do any of the people I know who've been as unfortunate as I in dealing with "wonderful police officers" and the system. How about the "wonderful state police officer", when my Buick slid off the edge of a snowy road into a tree in January 2005, said he "HAD to cite me, as if he didn't there would be questions why he hadn't". WTF??? I repeat: I'd SLID OFF THE EDGE A SNOWY ROAD, INTO A TREE. No other vehicles were involved, no fluids had even escaped the vehicle. Hell, if the tree hadn't been there, I'd most likely have been able to simply continue on my way and I'd still have my trusty Buick. I was able to successfully defend myself with that one, and felt like I was experiencing nothing short of a miracle. Again, what if I'd simply paid the fine, like many would do? Yes, "police officers are wonderful" and the system is FAIR. You're also really, truly "innocent until proven guilty". That's sarcasm and if you want to talk about living in a fantasy world, anyone who believes they are innocent until proven guilty are the ones doing so. The lives of many "criminals" I consider friends, (Who told me what they've been through to try to make me feel better...) and my life have all been VERY "real". You law abiding citizens would be surprised at all who have spent time in jail.

"Excrement happens" and I consider myself in excellent company.

BDR · Post by **BDR** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

Saying that all or most police officers are dirty is just as ridiculous as saying everything is sunshine and lolipops ...

As I tell my children, to paraphrase the Bible, you reap what you sew. How you respond to what life throws at you determines what happens next.

r:>)

SpellboundByMetal · Post by **SpellboundByMetal** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

youre someones DAD, Rob???????

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

I feel to believe that most cops are honest and that they try to do the right thing is just as ridiculous as saying everything is sunshine and lollipops.

Quoting the Bible, how morally elite.

Here's a another good one from the Bible, "judge not, lest ye be judged". This isn't from the Bible, but it's one of my favorites: but for the Grace of God, there go I.

(p.s. - it's "reap what you sow", not sew. You're welcome.

)

RAM Z · Post by **RAM Z** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

I have a big problem with authority but, I've never had a problem with true Police Officers, ever. I've always keep as much of a low prfile with the law as possible and have been given my share of breaks in the past but, last year my luck ran out on night after a show and I recived my first D.U.I. . Bag, you were very lucky and I think if the Officer realized you had a CDL you might have been in big trouble . We all know not to drink and drive but, I for one know without a doubt my limitations when it comes to alcohol and/or driving after a had a couple of beers. The .08 law is bullshit and that's a fact . I know guys who are twice the size of me and have been drink'n for years that I could drink under the table any day of the week and never skip a beat, stumble or slur my speech . If any of you have been through this new system over the last year or so you would know what I'm talk'n about ! They are currently work'n on getting ankle braclets that you will be made to wear while you are on D.U.I . probation and it will let them know where you're at and also it senses if you've been drinking, imagine that ! I guess once you get arrested for drinking and driving that instantly makes you a drunk. Hey I can take the fact that I broke the law but, I'm not and will never be a drunk. You don't have to have a CDL to be arrested under an .08 either, you can be arrested for an .05 belive it or not. There was a guy in my Safe Driving Class who was arrested for a .05 . That prolly equals about one freak'n beer, and if I could get wasted on one damn beer I would do it in a heart beat. I've had more friends in the last ten years killed in alcohol related crashes then I care to say and even lost a very close family member . Hell I have a good friend who is currently serving time in the big house for vehiclular manslaughter. Yeah I could sit here and preach for hours about why you shouldn't drink and drive but, what's the sense? As adults we know it is not cool to get Drunk and drive but, I feel there are alot of exceptions and variables that come into play with every individual case when being charged with D.U.I, or B.U.I. for that matter. I will not ever blame anyone else but me for getting my D.U.I. but, I will say the cop was a fuck'n liar and made it sound as if I was running over curbs and swerving in the other lane ( the whole truck in the other lane mind you ) which never happened and that is being truly honest and the asshole even changed his story 4 freak'n times right in front of the District Judge . It was O.K. for him to break the law and risking crashing us or someone else when he drove me 85 mph to the hospital so he could get the highest possible blood reading, go figure. Not all police are corrupt nor are they all out to get ya but, there are plenty out there who are that way and that's a fact ! I have plenty of reasons not to like certain cops but, I do not ever look at them all that way and never will .

I'm really glad you got home safe Bag and even happeir you got out of a D.U.I. Did ya learn/think about anything from that night ? L.O.L.
Always remember next time you might not be so fortunate . Be safe and take care man!

J.R.

Punkinhead · Post by **Punkinhead** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

BadDazeRob wrote: As I tell my children, to paraphrase the Bible, you reap what you sew.
r:>)

Not always true...If you look at life most individuals are given what they can handle more than what they deserve (barring something horrendous like blowing someone for crack). Yes, you will reap what you sew but, more often that not you will get more than what you sew because you can, in fact, handle it and your neighbor cannot.

As far as cops, they are like everything else in life. Take technology for example: It can be good (like an application that would help eliminate unnecessary surgery) or it can be evil (like getting hacked and having your identity stolen). Being a policeman is being in a position of power. That power can be good or evil, depending on the person who is in trust of it. There are good cops, there are bad cops. One thing is for sure, you all will see both and for anyone to group the entire group into either good or evil completely is asinine.

My .02.

BDR · Post by **BDR** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

SpellboundByMetal wrote:youre someones DAD, Rob???????

LOL

r:>)

BDR · Post by **BDR** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

YankeeRose wrote:(p.s. - it's "reap what you sow", not sew. You're welcome. )

(A rare typo ... must be the "beans.")

LOL ... Capt. Grammar's back.

Thanks ...

r:>)

BDR · Post by **BDR** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

Punkinhead wrote:
BadDazeRob wrote: As I tell my children, to paraphrase the Bible, you reap what you sew.
r:>)

Not always true...If you look at life most individuals are given what they can handle more than what they deserve (barring something horrendous like blowing someone for crack). Yes, you will reap what you sew but, more often that not you will get more than what you sew because you can, in fact, handle it and your neighbor cannot.

As far as cops, they are like everything else in life. Take technology for example: It can be good (like an application that would help eliminate unnecessary surgery) or it can be evil (like getting hacked and having your identity stolen). Being a policeman is being in a position of power. That power can be good or evil, depending on the person who is in trust of it. There are good cops, there are bad cops. One thing is for sure, you all will see both and for anyone to group the entire group into either good or evil completely is asinine.

My .02.

Good points, PH. I guess my point is expect a reaction to your actions and be willing to accept what you have to deal with. Of course, part of accepting consequences most of the time means admitting that you made a mistake.

Some people can't do that and instead look to others for blame. It's OK to fuck up, as long as you learn from it. Assigning blame just teaches you to continue to assign blame, which eventually means never taking responsibility for anything.

Sure, there are times that everyone will get screwed over, but you can't use those instances to frame out how you deal with other disappointments in life. Recovering from any adversity and looking forward will only make you a stronger, more confident and successful person.

Yes, Spellbound, I am a parent.

PS: I am the furthest thing from a Bible beater that you'll find ... anywhere. I quoted the Bible because the adage applied.

r:>)

RAM Z · Post by **RAM Z** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

Well said Rob !

Punkinhead · Post by **Punkinhead** » Wednesday Feb 22, 2006

BadDazeRob wrote:
Punkinhead wrote:
BadDazeRob wrote: As I tell my children, to paraphrase the Bible, you reap what you sew.
r:>)

Not always true...If you look at life most individuals are given what they can handle more than what they deserve (barring something horrendous like blowing someone for crack). Yes, you will reap what you sew but, more often that not you will get more than what you sew because you can, in fact, handle it and your neighbor cannot.

As far as cops, they are like everything else in life. Take technology for example: It can be good (like an application that would help eliminate unnecessary surgery) or it can be evil (like getting hacked and having your identity stolen). Being a policeman is being in a position of power. That power can be good or evil, depending on the person who is in trust of it. There are good cops, there are bad cops. One thing is for sure, you all will see both and for anyone to group the entire group into either good or evil completely is asinine.

My .02.
Good points, PH. I guess my point is expect a reaction to your actions and be willing to accept what you have to deal with. Of course, part of accepting consequences most of the time means admitting that you made a mistake.

Some people can't do that and instead look to others for blame. It's OK to fuck up, as long as you learn from it. Assigning blame just teaches you to continue to assign blame, which eventually means never taking responsibility for anything.

Sure, there are times that everyone will get screwed over, but you can't use those instances to frame out how you deal with other disappointments in life. Recovering from any adversity and looking forward will only make you a stronger, more confident and successful person.

Yes, Spellbound, I am a parent.

r:>)

Agreed Rob. I really believe that when something goes wrong that if people would look at themselves first instead of blaming the world would be a better place. Most of the time when I screw up it's my fault, practically all of the time. I wish others would see that in themselves too.

KMFDM ROB · Post by **KMFDM ROB** » Thursday Feb 23, 2006

If I can't find a ride, and I'm too far to walk (well let's say my ride backs out). I go to my car, put my keys in the glove box, and lay in the back seat. I've actually had a cop tap on the window before, and ask what was going on.

I said, I'm too drunk to drive, so I'm sleeping it off. My ride bailed on me, and I'm stuck here. The cop thanked me for not driving, and asked if I needed him to telephone anyone. I said I had my cell, and I could call, but I was going to sleep it off for awhile. He didn't ask, but I did say my keys were in the glove box, and I know I can't drive, while impaired. The cop again thanked me, and let me sleep off my drunk.

I'm sure he could have nailed me for public drunkedness or whatever, but he didn't. I don't think a cop, unless he's a dick, is going to do that to you, if you're in the back of your car, without your keys, sleeping off a drunk, because you don't want to kill someone. If he does, I'm sure you could fight it, and win, or at least get a lowered penalty.