I keep missing the Magoo's meetings and I would like to apologize for that. I am very concerned about this problem and I try to keep updated on all of your efforts. I am very encouraged by the direction you seem to be heading in and the support you have been getting so far. I have been working this problem from a different angle. But before we make any head way on any problem there is something we need to see to, first.
Your voting rights are up for grabs.
As many of you know, Blair county MUST purchase a new voting system very soon. It's a very complex issue and there are a lot of factors to consider but here is the long and the short of it.
Becasue of state and federal certification requirements there are really only two choices.
Eichelberger wants to buy the ivotronic system, it's computer based, and touch screen and all that but this particualr system has a record of accuracy and security problems.
Gority wants to use a optical scan system, that will require a paper ballot a lot like the "fill in the bubble" tests you took in school.
Wright has not declared a position.
Both systems have their problems, neither is perfect.
The optical scan system has a better accuracy record.
The optical scan system cannot be hacked into and it's data is a lot less easily manipulated.
The optical scan system will still be vailid if the PA legislature Passes SB 977, it hasn't done so yet but similar laws have been passed in over 20 states.
The optical scan system will allow for a fair and acurrate recount should that be necessary.
If we buy the touch screen system and it screws up, like it has in Florida and North Carolina and Indiana and California we must replace it, the Federal Government won't give us any more money to do it.
We have one shot at this with Federal assistance, let's get it right!
I know that a lot of you are loyal Republicans and that's fine, this isn't a partisan issue, really this is about every citizen getting a vote and every vote counting.
Please cut and paste the following and send it to commishioners Eichelberger and Wright
Sorry Blair County voters only
Commissioner Eichelberger:
jeichelberger@atlanticbb.net
Commissioner Wright:
bwright@blairco.org
Dear Commissioner:
I am writing about the upcoming choice that you will soon make concerning the new voting machines. I strongly support the purchase of an optical scan system. We need a system that can provide a paper trail, and will remain certified should the state pass HB 2000 and SB 977.
With a touch screen voting machine, there will be no paper receipt. If there is no paper receipt, how can there ever be a recount in a close election? I see too many ways that our election results may be questioned in the future. I never want to see a Florida problem in Blair County.
Further, if laws pass requiring a voter-verified paper ballot, as have already been proposed in both the state house and senate, the touch-screen systems that are being considered would no longer be certified, requiring the county to expend considerable tax dollars to replace the obsolete machines. Purchasing the optical scan voting systems will ensure that we will be prepared for the possible new laws.
Thank you for your attention to this important issue.
A Concerned Blair County Voter
Thanks
Political activism
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FatVin wrote:
"the Federal Government won't give us any more money to do it. "
There is the weakness in the liberal movement. It is all about doing what the Federal gov. wants.
How about we get off the Federal tit.
The Federal money he is refering to is OUR tax dollars. Why must we live our lives jumping through hoops the Fed gov tells us to?
If this county's citizens are as dumb as the voters in Florida, then we deserve to go hunting with Cheney.
"the Federal Government won't give us any more money to do it. "
There is the weakness in the liberal movement. It is all about doing what the Federal gov. wants.
How about we get off the Federal tit.
The Federal money he is refering to is OUR tax dollars. Why must we live our lives jumping through hoops the Fed gov tells us to?
If this county's citizens are as dumb as the voters in Florida, then we deserve to go hunting with Cheney.
What are you saying here Joe?
We should purposefully buy a system that doesn't work and spend our county money to fix, refit, or replace it, instead of taking the money that the Federal governenment is putting up and buying a system that works?
that's the zenith of conservative thought?
Why am I not surprised?
Don't you conservatives believe that every vote should count?
Look the government is making us buy a new system and giving out some money to help us do it, All I'm saying is that if we have to buy a new system and we have to...
let's only buy it once.
aren't you guys for responsible spending of the taxpayer dollar
All I'm advocating here is that Blair County spend as little of Blair County money as possible.
But no, I'm completley wrong, let's do it Joe's way...
Let's buy the flashy new system that can't add acurately and then let's spend twice as much to replace it.
That's the GOP way
We should purposefully buy a system that doesn't work and spend our county money to fix, refit, or replace it, instead of taking the money that the Federal governenment is putting up and buying a system that works?
that's the zenith of conservative thought?
Why am I not surprised?
Don't you conservatives believe that every vote should count?
Look the government is making us buy a new system and giving out some money to help us do it, All I'm saying is that if we have to buy a new system and we have to...
let's only buy it once.
aren't you guys for responsible spending of the taxpayer dollar
All I'm advocating here is that Blair County spend as little of Blair County money as possible.
But no, I'm completley wrong, let's do it Joe's way...
Let's buy the flashy new system that can't add acurately and then let's spend twice as much to replace it.
That's the GOP way
Blooz to Youz
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Vin , saying , " That's the GOP way."....is pretty narrow-minded.
I'm all for conserving every buck we can.
Do it once , and do it right. That's not the GOP way , or the democratic way , or the independant way....It's my way.
I happen to be a Republican ... believe it or not , it's because my hero in history is Abe Lincoln.
Right now , the Repiblican party happens to go for tax cuts and religious freedom.
A few years ago , it was JFK and the Democratic party that pushed tax cuts...
It's whoever has the right ideas in my mind , at the time.
But to group all GOP or all Dems...or Greens...and say....This is their policy...That's a bit narrow-minded.
I'm all for conserving every buck we can.
Do it once , and do it right. That's not the GOP way , or the democratic way , or the independant way....It's my way.
I happen to be a Republican ... believe it or not , it's because my hero in history is Abe Lincoln.
Right now , the Repiblican party happens to go for tax cuts and religious freedom.
A few years ago , it was JFK and the Democratic party that pushed tax cuts...
It's whoever has the right ideas in my mind , at the time.
But to group all GOP or all Dems...or Greens...and say....This is their policy...That's a bit narrow-minded.
Jeff
I don't beleive a touch screen would be a god choice, especially for older people who are afraid to even look at a computer let alone vote with one.
Everytime I go to Shitzz I get my order wrong and hve to go back and fix it.
But it does give me a paper slip with a number telling me I ordered ketchup when I wanted mustard.
Everytime I go to Shitzz I get my order wrong and hve to go back and fix it.
But it does give me a paper slip with a number telling me I ordered ketchup when I wanted mustard.
You're right of course but in my own defense
It was not I who used the "L" word, and since when is suggesting fiscal responsability a liberal idea anyway
and Fretboard
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, if you can't trust it to order a hot dog, how can you trust it to get votes right.
This should not be a partisan thing, whatever your political stripe
I can't believe I'm taking flame for this ARRRRRRGH!!!!!!!!
If you think I'm right copy and paste the letter and send it to wright and Ike, if not ignore it.
SOMEBODY PLEASE LOCK THIS ONE TOO, jeez
It was not I who used the "L" word, and since when is suggesting fiscal responsability a liberal idea anyway
and Fretboard
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, if you can't trust it to order a hot dog, how can you trust it to get votes right.
This should not be a partisan thing, whatever your political stripe
I can't believe I'm taking flame for this ARRRRRRGH!!!!!!!!
If you think I'm right copy and paste the letter and send it to wright and Ike, if not ignore it.
SOMEBODY PLEASE LOCK THIS ONE TOO, jeez
Blooz to Youz
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joe you contridicted yourself in your flamer
Why should we get off the federal tit if like you said it is our money?
Vinnie, I feel for you man. I think you said somewhere in your post about this not being a partisan issue, some people can't read I guess.
I agree that the more we choose to ignore issues the worse it is going to get.
By the way, We get a lot of funding in this area, state and federal- it goes to the older population that is takin the area over. Why- Older people know how to open their mouth to the right people to get what they want, Do you guys want to continue to just be assholes to someone who posted some usefull information, or can you put the beer down long enough to finish reading something before posting?
Here is a thought, instead of ripping people down who are trying to be helpful, why don't you show up to a meeting and be a little bit helpful, and if you have the answers then just run for president or go hunt with Cheney then!
Hey vinnie, I haven't seen you post anything here in a while. Looks like thing are going down hill here again.
Shut this one down!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuckin kids!
Why should we get off the federal tit if like you said it is our money?
Vinnie, I feel for you man. I think you said somewhere in your post about this not being a partisan issue, some people can't read I guess.
I agree that the more we choose to ignore issues the worse it is going to get.
By the way, We get a lot of funding in this area, state and federal- it goes to the older population that is takin the area over. Why- Older people know how to open their mouth to the right people to get what they want, Do you guys want to continue to just be assholes to someone who posted some usefull information, or can you put the beer down long enough to finish reading something before posting?
Here is a thought, instead of ripping people down who are trying to be helpful, why don't you show up to a meeting and be a little bit helpful, and if you have the answers then just run for president or go hunt with Cheney then!
Hey vinnie, I haven't seen you post anything here in a while. Looks like thing are going down hill here again.
Shut this one down!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuckin kids!
Joe's a good guy, but I think he listens to a little too much Rush L. and Hannity. It's kneejerk stuff, and propaganda meant as an antidote to percieved liberal propaganda. I like to listen to talk radio, then some NPR, and then split it in the middle. Didn't listen to NPR today, but conservative talk radio was pretty funny, with the Cheney thing, and Fox News was just as desperate.
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack, I'll delete if you guys want.------->JMS
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack, I'll delete if you guys want.------->JMS
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Joe is a good guy, did I hear him offer to fund this thing? That is fucking amazing! Talk about generousity! I am impressed. It had to be an offer to pay for the entire system cause if it wasn't then it was just someone else telling you your way is wrong but offering nothing in return. So I say yes, Get off the titty of the government and let's get on to UndercoverJoe's Titty!
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One World, One Voice, One God!
Music is LIFE!
One World, One Voice, One God!
Music is LIFE!
We used punch cards for decades and never had a problem. You can't fix stupid - when you are voting, it is actually required to take a moment and pay attention to what you are doing, read the ballot, and give it your individed attention for a couple of minutes.
The fact that we have to find a new system to replace what wasn't a bad system is idiocy.
The fact that we have to find a new system to replace what wasn't a bad system is idiocy.
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I second the motion.Blain wrote:We used punch cards for decades and never had a problem. You can't fix stupid - when you are voting, it is actually required to take a moment and pay attention to what you are doing, read the ballot, and give it your individed attention for a couple of minutes.
The fact that we have to find a new system to replace what wasn't a bad system is idiocy.
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
Why oh Why is Fat Vin so convinced that we will need a recount in Blair Co.? There has never been a need before. Just because some Democrats tried to fix an election in Fla. and blew it, now we need to change????
We should all stop feeding off the government tit, and then maybe we can keep more of OUR OWN money and make OUR OWN decisions.
That is the big government trap, which I see many of you have easily stumbled. The more of our money the Federal government takes from us, the more it will demand of us, before it "rewards" us with ferderal subsudies and grants.
Big government does not trust us to make our own decisions with our own money. They know better and will make the decisions for us. That is exactly what Joseph Stalin and Mao thought too.
For the record, I consider myself a libertarian. If Rush was a lot more conservative on fiscal issues, and dropped the moralizing, he might become more acceptable go the libertarian party.
Republican Federalists and Democrat Socialists all become the same when they go to Harrisburg or to D.C.===they become
Republocrats or Democans.
They want to stay in power, so they spend more, which means they take more of our money and spend it for votes.
For the record, I have never made, nor has Sheetz ever made, a mistake when ordering a MTO on the computer screen. And those who know me, know I know how to order food.
We should all stop feeding off the government tit, and then maybe we can keep more of OUR OWN money and make OUR OWN decisions.
That is the big government trap, which I see many of you have easily stumbled. The more of our money the Federal government takes from us, the more it will demand of us, before it "rewards" us with ferderal subsudies and grants.
Big government does not trust us to make our own decisions with our own money. They know better and will make the decisions for us. That is exactly what Joseph Stalin and Mao thought too.
For the record, I consider myself a libertarian. If Rush was a lot more conservative on fiscal issues, and dropped the moralizing, he might become more acceptable go the libertarian party.
Republican Federalists and Democrat Socialists all become the same when they go to Harrisburg or to D.C.===they become
Republocrats or Democans.
They want to stay in power, so they spend more, which means they take more of our money and spend it for votes.
For the record, I have never made, nor has Sheetz ever made, a mistake when ordering a MTO on the computer screen. And those who know me, know I know how to order food.
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Joe, Seriously are you a fuckin moron? You keep sayin that vinnie is saying all this stuff when you clearly are puttin words in his mouth.
The federal government HAS our money already dumbass!!!!!!!!!!
We are the tit DUMASSSSSSSSS
The money WILL be spent here wether we want it to be or not DUMMMASSSSS
AND you must be really DUMMASSED to not think that with recent election problems that we would never need a recount DUMMASSSS
And DUMMMMMASSSS the way WE MAKE our own decisions is to write letters and vote on shit like this not by being a fuckin moron troller on rockpage you FUCKIN DUMMASS
Pleas don't take offense..................DUMMASS
The federal government HAS our money already dumbass!!!!!!!!!!
We are the tit DUMASSSSSSSSS
The money WILL be spent here wether we want it to be or not DUMMMASSSSS
AND you must be really DUMMASSED to not think that with recent election problems that we would never need a recount DUMMASSSS
And DUMMMMMASSSS the way WE MAKE our own decisions is to write letters and vote on shit like this not by being a fuckin moron troller on rockpage you FUCKIN DUMMASS
Pleas don't take offense..................DUMMASS
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We didn't have this recount problem until some whining losers
STEPPED OUTSIDE THE VOTING LAW RECOUNT PROCEDURE
and demanded recounts even though the legal conditions for recount were not met.
Then came the "unbiased" manual interpretation of ballots that were meant for machine reading. Armies of soccer moms peering thru small frayed holes on a pale wheat card.
Here's the voting system I want:
A TOUCH SCREEN with a friggin' PRINTER that prints 2 receipts per voter.
I want to see each candidate's smiling face on that screen with a 2" square button next to it, just like Sheetz hot dogs.
Now, if you tell me thay don't have this phenomenon, then I will be glad to design it, manufacture it and pocket all this federal money!
Oh, I'm sorry, my last name is RENNER, not RENDELL. My product probably won't be approved!
STEPPED OUTSIDE THE VOTING LAW RECOUNT PROCEDURE
and demanded recounts even though the legal conditions for recount were not met.
Then came the "unbiased" manual interpretation of ballots that were meant for machine reading. Armies of soccer moms peering thru small frayed holes on a pale wheat card.
Here's the voting system I want:
A TOUCH SCREEN with a friggin' PRINTER that prints 2 receipts per voter.
I want to see each candidate's smiling face on that screen with a 2" square button next to it, just like Sheetz hot dogs.
Now, if you tell me thay don't have this phenomenon, then I will be glad to design it, manufacture it and pocket all this federal money!
Oh, I'm sorry, my last name is RENNER, not RENDELL. My product probably won't be approved!
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
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You know, there are some very real and very serious issues that need to be talked about here that DO pertain to music.
Every musician in this area IS loosing their right to play!
Every one of us will be affected! Well when of the hundreds of musians in this area are going to be impacted in such a negative way and you choose not to do anything, or get on here startin shit with one of the few people trying to affect some change how is it you think you are helping?
Two years from now this is all you are gonna be able to do, get on here and bitch that you have nowhere to play and blame it on the fucking president like a bunch of kids.
And I swear to god the next moron who feels the need to tell me that I am not making any freinds here writing this kinda shit, can kiss my ass! You are thinking that I value your opinion and think way too much of yourself!
If I don't like you why do you think I give a shit if you like me. I MAKE money in this business. I have a wife and a family, and when people get on here and fight about stupid shit and ignore important issues I take it personally! You are helping to kill the scene, which takes money out of my pocket and food out of my kid's mouth. And if any of you tells me I should be friends with someone who is doing this, then you are either a liar or a fucking idiot.
Now you can either post another flamer here or shut the fuck up and get to a meeting.
Every musician in this area IS loosing their right to play!
Every one of us will be affected! Well when of the hundreds of musians in this area are going to be impacted in such a negative way and you choose not to do anything, or get on here startin shit with one of the few people trying to affect some change how is it you think you are helping?
Two years from now this is all you are gonna be able to do, get on here and bitch that you have nowhere to play and blame it on the fucking president like a bunch of kids.
And I swear to god the next moron who feels the need to tell me that I am not making any freinds here writing this kinda shit, can kiss my ass! You are thinking that I value your opinion and think way too much of yourself!
If I don't like you why do you think I give a shit if you like me. I MAKE money in this business. I have a wife and a family, and when people get on here and fight about stupid shit and ignore important issues I take it personally! You are helping to kill the scene, which takes money out of my pocket and food out of my kid's mouth. And if any of you tells me I should be friends with someone who is doing this, then you are either a liar or a fucking idiot.
Now you can either post another flamer here or shut the fuck up and get to a meeting.
