What Is a Musician?
What Is a Musician?
on one of the polls I noticed that some don't refer to themselves as musicians....an theres nothing wrong with being humble even though they are in working bands. So what is your defination of a musician?
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To me, a musician is someone who creates music using personal talent, whether it's done with your hands, feet, stomach or vocal chords. I saw one person post on the previous thread that he was a vocalist in a working band but not a musician. I just don't get that.
Some people can sing ... just go to any karaoke bar on any given night and you'll see that.
However, not everyone can sing.
A hack guitarist is hard to ignore but easy to forget. Same goes for so-so singers. However, if you can make an impact on people with with your vocal ability, then I'd say you're a musician.
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Some people can sing ... just go to any karaoke bar on any given night and you'll see that.
However, not everyone can sing.
A hack guitarist is hard to ignore but easy to forget. Same goes for so-so singers. However, if you can make an impact on people with with your vocal ability, then I'd say you're a musician.
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That's what she said.
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I have to get to class in a little bit, so I'll make this short.
There's a difference between a musician and an artist, though a musician can still be an artist. Being a musician is about understanding your instrument and being technically proficient. Being an artist is about creating the actual music. For example, a session cat may be a great musician but not such a great artist. Kurt Cobain was a great artist, but a lousy musician.
I consider myself a musician before an artist.
There's a difference between a musician and an artist, though a musician can still be an artist. Being a musician is about understanding your instrument and being technically proficient. Being an artist is about creating the actual music. For example, a session cat may be a great musician but not such a great artist. Kurt Cobain was a great artist, but a lousy musician.
I consider myself a musician before an artist.
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bassist_25 wrote:I have to get to class in a little bit, so I'll make this short.
There's a difference between a musician and an artist, though a musician can still be an artist. Being a musician is about understanding your instrument and being technically proficient. Being an artist is about creating the actual music. For example, a session cat may be a great musician but not such a great artist. Kurt Cobain was a great artist, but a lousy musician.
I consider myself a musician before an artist.
Believe me, I have seen many extraordinary "Concert Artists" (pianists) playing music that others (like Beethoven, and Bach etc. etc. etc.) created. Don't tell them to their face that they are not artists.
Tell an opera singer who spent 20 plus years learning all there is to know about music, that he/she is not a musician (because they don't play an instrument). Then duck.
Anyone who makes music is a musician. Pro or armature. I think "artist" has no technical meaning other than when musicians reach a certain level, people refer to them as artists.
It's like running around a track with a number on your back saying you are a race car driver! Without the car you are not driving therefore not a driver! Here it is again:
musician
n 1: someone who plays a musical instrument (as a profession) [syn: instrumentalist, player] 2: artist who composes or conducts music as a profession
Where is Capt. Gram Cracker when you really need him?
musician
n 1: someone who plays a musical instrument (as a profession) [syn: instrumentalist, player] 2: artist who composes or conducts music as a profession
Where is Capt. Gram Cracker when you really need him?
I suggest you call the Steinway company and tell them they don't have any concert artists. They will be suprised as hell. Better hurry so they don't get sued for false advertising.FretBored wrote:It's like running around a track with a number on your back saying you are a race car driver! Without the car you are not driving therefore not a driver! Here it is again:
musician
n 1: someone who plays a musical instrument (as a profession) [syn: instrumentalist, player] 2: artist who composes or conducts music as a profession
Where is Capt. Gram Cracker when you really need him?
And let Webster know that you know more than they do.
Musician : A person skilled in the composition or performance of music.
I think that would include a singer.
Artist : One skilled in any of the fine arts.
Dosen't say anything about composing.
2 entries found for musician.
mu·si·cian Audio pronunciation of "musician" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (my-zshn)
n.
One who composes, conducts, or performs music, especially instrumental music.
[Middle English musicien, from Old French, from Latin msica, music. See music.]mu·sician·ly adj.
mu·sician·ship n.
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musician
n 1: someone who plays a musical instrument (as a profession) [syn: instrumentalist, player] 2: artist who composes or conducts music as a profession
Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University
Sorry old Chap I was using the Princeton Edition.
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mu·si·cian Audio pronunciation of "musician" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (my-zshn)
n.
One who composes, conducts, or performs music, especially instrumental music.
[Middle English musicien, from Old French, from Latin msica, music. See music.]mu·sician·ly adj.
mu·sician·ship n.
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musician
n 1: someone who plays a musical instrument (as a profession) [syn: instrumentalist, player] 2: artist who composes or conducts music as a profession
Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University
Sorry old Chap I was using the Princeton Edition.
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A singer is a musician . Check here : (and check associated links.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musician
Whether you like it or not. The human voive is an instrument !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musician
Whether you like it or not. The human voive is an instrument !
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Again, I disagree. While I wouldn't argue that a concert pianist is a musician (and a brilliant one at that), unless they are composing, I wouldn't call them an artist. On the other hand, if a trumpet player plays a Dizzy Gillipsie tune, then he or she could still be considered an artist, because they're still improvising their own solos over the form. The head's the only thing that's ever played the same on a jazz song (even the form could be different because you can use chord substitions).Hawk wrote:
Believe me, I have seen many extraordinary "Concert Artists" (pianists) playing music that others (like Beethoven, and Bach etc. etc. etc.) created. Don't tell them to their face that they are not artists.
I do agree with you about vocalist. The human voice is an instrument!!! Fuck, Bobby McFerrin is a living instrument (and the man is absolutely brilliant).
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Who cares what the dictionaries say?
What do YOU think?
I don't think of myself as a musician even though I can play the guitar (to some degree) and play the drums and have even been known to sing a few songs (not well, but people tell me I do well enough). I am no musician. or am i?
Kind of funny that I think our lead guitarist, Dan Myers, is a musician. I don't think I am. Dan can figure all sorts of stuff out on the guitar and really wail on it - I can't. If you put sheet music out in front of me (not that tab bullshit) I can read it - Dan can't. hmmm, how does all of this fit in?
What about rap? What about those guys that make all the "cool" noise on the turntables? Is that music? Personally I don't think it is because I hate it.
What about country and western? Three years ago I would have said that it might be music but only for those with low IQ's - now Country is about all I listen to.
Did you ever see History of the World Part I? The cavemen bangin on the rocks and each other? Was that music in its most primitive form?
I'll tell you something right now!!!!!!!!! There is only one thing in this topic that I would get into an emotional debate about and that is my little boy. He sometimes sings to himself - nothing understandable, but cute as hell. THAT my friends is music to my ears!! Hearing that little soft, high pitched, 1 year old voice can bring tears to my eyes and a smile to my face. And, isn't that a part of what music is all about anyway?????
What do YOU think?
I don't think of myself as a musician even though I can play the guitar (to some degree) and play the drums and have even been known to sing a few songs (not well, but people tell me I do well enough). I am no musician. or am i?
Kind of funny that I think our lead guitarist, Dan Myers, is a musician. I don't think I am. Dan can figure all sorts of stuff out on the guitar and really wail on it - I can't. If you put sheet music out in front of me (not that tab bullshit) I can read it - Dan can't. hmmm, how does all of this fit in?
What about rap? What about those guys that make all the "cool" noise on the turntables? Is that music? Personally I don't think it is because I hate it.
What about country and western? Three years ago I would have said that it might be music but only for those with low IQ's - now Country is about all I listen to.
Did you ever see History of the World Part I? The cavemen bangin on the rocks and each other? Was that music in its most primitive form?
I'll tell you something right now!!!!!!!!! There is only one thing in this topic that I would get into an emotional debate about and that is my little boy. He sometimes sings to himself - nothing understandable, but cute as hell. THAT my friends is music to my ears!! Hearing that little soft, high pitched, 1 year old voice can bring tears to my eyes and a smile to my face. And, isn't that a part of what music is all about anyway?????
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byndrsn wrote:Who cares what the dictionaries say?
What do YOU think?
I don't think of myself as a musician even though I can play the guitar (to some degree) and play the drums and have even been known to sing a few songs (not well, but people tell me I do well enough). I am no musician. or am i?
Kind of funny that I think our lead guitarist, Dan Myers, is a musician. I don't think I am. Dan can figure all sorts of stuff out on the guitar and really wail on it - I can't. If you put sheet music out in front of me (not that tab bullshit) I can read it - Dan can't. hmmm, how does all of this fit in?
What about rap? What about those guys that make all the "cool" noise on the turntables? Is that music? Personally I don't think it is because I hate it.
What about country and western? Three years ago I would have said that it might be music but only for those with low IQ's - now Country is about all I listen to.
Did you ever see History of the World Part I? The cavemen bangin on the rocks and each other? Was that music in its most primitive form?
I'll tell you something right now!!!!!!!!! There is only one thing in this topic that I would get into an emotional debate about and that is my little boy. He sometimes sings to himself - nothing understandable, but cute as hell. THAT my friends is music to my ears!! Hearing that little soft, high pitched, 1 year old voice can bring tears to my eyes and a smile to my face. And, isn't that a part of what music is all about anyway?????
How well or how poorly you play doesn't matter, you are still a musician. Just different levels. Like, pro or amature are levels.
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He would be a painter (and could also be very skilled at it), but he's still not an artist.Hawk wrote:What if an artist makes an exact copy of a Rembrandt. In effect , he is "covering" an existing piece. Are you saying he is not an artist because he didn't think of it himself.
"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
Then you disagree with Webster ?bassist_25 wrote:He would be a painter (and could also be very skilled at it), but he's still not an artist.Hawk wrote:What if an artist makes an exact copy of a Rembrandt. In effect , he is "covering" an existing piece. Are you saying he is not an artist because he didn't think of it himself.