WHAT IF

ChaosRisingRice · Post by **ChaosRisingRice** » Friday Jan 20, 2006

What if Cliff Burton was never killed when the bus hit the black ice. And what if Dave Mustane was still in the band where do you guys think they would be today? Personally i think the music would be totally different. Mustane had alot of the attitude in the band.

Also on a side note apparently when Kirk and Cliff took turns sleeping on the top bunk in the bus near the open window. It just so happens that it was Cliff's turn to sleep there that night. That is kind of weird isn't it. If that is true.

bfoust · Post by **bfoust** » Friday Jan 20, 2006

Maybe they wouldn't be suckass sellouts now.

HurricaneBob · Post by **HurricaneBob** » Friday Jan 20, 2006

Cliff would have never stood for selling out..

ChaosRisingRice · Post by **ChaosRisingRice** » Friday Jan 20, 2006

You know what i can't help but think that things would have turned out the same way. How ever that is true i believe that Cliff wouldn't stand for the kind of music that they are putting out now. Apparently the next album they are doing is going to have solo's. I don't know what they were thinking when they made st shit. I mean st anger but. They used to not care what people think. And then they go on route with such a trend now in music that is eliminating solos. Hopefully now that robert is there they can redeem themselves alittle. On a good note now that Robert is there they are not going to use any of the left over songs that didn't make it on st anger.

This could be the beginning of something good hopefully they don't do something stupid. Oh and maybe if lars would stop being an art selling fag they would be better.

No offense to people that like art out there but that is just how i feel

ChaosRisingRice · Post by **ChaosRisingRice** » Friday Jan 20, 2006

I think it would have been a matter of time and James and Dave would be constantly arguing all the time and he would have still went on and did megadeth. And Cliff probably would have quit and went on to do something else to. He would have quit the band if james would have ran into the studio and said "hey guys i got this cool song that i am writing now it is called Low mans Lyric" Give me a break

redawg · Post by **redawg** » Friday Jan 20, 2006

Kirk Hammet said in a video I saw that they drew cards to see who got to sleep in the window bunk that night. Cliff drew the highest card.

ChaosRisingRice · Post by **ChaosRisingRice** » Friday Jan 20, 2006

ok i thought there was something about the bunk and who was sleeping in the top bunk thanks for the info redawg

redawg · Post by **redawg** » Friday Jan 20, 2006

I jus got some cool new concert videos. I got an old video of Metallica playing a whole set in what looks like a club with Dave Mustaine on guitar

My concert video stash is getting HUGE

Punkinhead · Post by **Punkinhead** » Friday Jan 20, 2006

Hurricane wrote:Cliff would have never stood for selling out..

Agreed.

I am glad that Dave Mustaine got kicked out. I like MegeDeth much more than Metallica. Marty Friedman and Jeff Young (as well as Dave) beat Kirk "the Wah Wah" Hammett's ass off on the guitar.

ChaosRisingRice · Post by **ChaosRisingRice** » Friday Jan 20, 2006

Thats awesome redawg. I used to have something like that. Only i think it was only one song. I believe though that cliff was in it. I didnt have anything with mustane playing with them. I was poor quality though but it was fade to black and i love that song.

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

Here is the other Metallica Thread!

(Please, try not to feed the Troll/s?) Lars, born wealthy, is a "I need more money than I ever could possibly spend", jerk. They not only sold out, I said it before and I'll say it again, the whole Napster debacle and their attitude about it cost Metallica a lot more than money - not that they care about more than that - it cost them a large part of their fan base. I still enjoy some of their tunes, covered, but I can't stand to listen to them...if they come on the radio, more often than not, I change the station and any I owned, I gave away.

ASB10 · Post by **ASB10** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

Cliff drew the Ace of Spades......ominous shit......

A great video archive of older Metallica live footage is the "Cliff 'Em All" DVD/Video.....which is readily available.....has some great older Metallica performances, including some early footage with Dave....

They are relasing a new album this year, and the talk is that it will be a "return to form" according to KROQ.........but what form?

Personally, I think that their change was for the good in some aspects....they realized what they wanted to do, and did it....unfortunately they alienated many long-time and ravenous fans by doing so.....

Load was alright.....some good tunes on there, albeit a little different....but Reload and especially St. Anger were crap.....I would even settle for a return to black album form right now.....

And why we are on the topic of favorite bands from my youth.....in the same report from KROQ ( this is useless because it's announced four or five times a year, but......) Chinese Democracy MAY (disclaimer) see the light of day in 2006 according to an interview with that parasite Dizzy Reed.....I'll believe it when it happens......

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

I liked Load and ReLoad. *shrugs* If I like music, I buy it. I don't get caught up in the whole philosophy of bands and "selling out" and "integrity" and all of that meaningless pretenious bullshit. People have way too much of their self-concepts and identity wrapped up in the music that they listen to.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

Metallica and Esteban in the news:

http://www.rockandrollconfidential.com/news/index.php

Killjingle · Post by **Killjingle** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

If I like music, I buy it. I don't get caught up in the whole philosophy of bands and "selling out" and "integrity" and all of that meaningless pretenious bullshit. People have way too much of their self-concepts and identity wrapped up in the music that they listen to.

Very well said. I have always lived by this musical code... and if you dont like it I dont necessarily want to hear your opinions about it... it works for me.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

I think it would have turned out to be the same with Mustian. He had a major ego problem. As well as a alcohol problem, which was the reason they kicked him out.

If burton was alive today they wouldn't have released the crap they did release. It makes you wonder who actually wrote their songs when he was alive. It couldn't have been Hetfield or Ulrich. It had to be Burton, of course I could be wrong ..

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Tuesday Jan 24, 2006

Killjingle wrote:I have always lived by this musical code... and if you dont like it I dont necessarily want to hear your opinions about it...it works for me.

Killjingle, if you're saying you don't want to hear our opinions on what we like, that's fine by us. Simply don't read Threads on Bands or Tunes.

The major factor that totally turned me on Metallica was Lars' and the rest of the band's "crusade", trying to make downloading, or fans' copying of music in any way, illegal. Yes, yet again it was the principle of the thing with me.

Killjingle · Post by **Killjingle** » Tuesday Jan 24, 2006

I dont mean that NR... I am gonna like what I like... and besides that the Metallica thing needs put to rest.. Cliff died... they did write Load and reload... some ppl like; it some ppl dont... but please let it rest already.... Metallica is what they want to be... and that should be enough

Hunter · Post by **Hunter** » Tuesday Jan 24, 2006

Metallica were even being called sellouts when Cliff was in the band, after they made the so called 'ballad' Fade to Black and slowed down occasionally. Cliff's attitude toward 'sell-out' critics was always the same, 'fuck you!'

I don't think it can be said whether or not Cliff would've supported Load, as Cliff was always more supportive of the experimental side.

Dave, James, and Lars are 3 egos that can't fit in the same band, it would seem. Best that Dave went on to form Megadeth; now we have 2 great bands to enjoy.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Tuesday Jan 24, 2006

Killjingle wrote:I dont mean that NR... I am gonna like what I like... and besides that the Metallica thing needs put to rest.. Cliff died... they did write Load and reload... some ppl like; it some ppl dont... but please let it rest already.... Metallica is what they want to be... and that should be enough

Yes, I've been saying the same damn thing for years!!! I'm glad someone else digs that.

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Tuesday Jan 24, 2006

Personally, I don't care what Metallica "is".
They are the ones that ended it for me and thousands like me. Fate handed Burton a rotten deal. All of them had problems with substance abuse of one kind or another.
Hetfield was always way more than a bit over the top for me and seemed at times to be trying too hard. I always thought Hammet was more than a decent Musician and never got the props he deserved. I once sort of admired Lars for leaving a cushy life behind to make Music, isn't that a good one? The greedy schmuck. I think the movie mentioned in the other Metallica Thread might be a riot to see from what's been described, but I'd never rent it. After the crap they tried to pull, they'll not get another cent from me, ever.

Yeah I know, principles can be a bitch.

One of the best things to ever happen to Metal was Mustaine leaving/getting kicked out, whatever all went on, for MEGADETH rules!

Killjingle · Post by **Killjingle** » Tuesday Jan 24, 2006

Personally, I don't care what Metallica "is".

They are the ones that ended it for me and thousands like me

You are entitled to your opinion... but I will surely not let a band dictate my musical preference... nor would I continue to beat the topic to death. Hey maybe they meant everything to u, and that I can respect, but I just dont understand why this topic continues to pop up. Find a new band. There is plenty out there who would be proud to have u as a fan, if u care that much bout music.

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Tuesday Jan 24, 2006

Killjingle wrote:You are entitled to your opinion... but I will surely not let a band dictate my musical preference... nor would I continue to beat the topic to death. Hey maybe they meant everything to u, and that I can respect, but I just dont understand why this topic continues to pop up. Find a new band. There is plenty out there who would be proud to have u as a fan, if u care that much bout music.

Thank you so very much for admitting I'm entitled to my opinion, just as everyone is. In light of that fact, we both keep Posting on Metallica Threads that others, not I, started. So this being your opinion, do you really consider me the one beating anything to death? Also, am I really the only one to say basically the same thing more than once in either Thread or on this site? I have no idea what you're talking about with your next pseudo-point, for I don't let any band dictate my Musical preference and Metallica, or any one Band has never been and would never be, "everything" to me.

I Love all Genres of Music, many of us do and have favorite Bands in each one. In the end, most can understand that it is my Love of Music which caused the "Crusade" to engender my feelings regarding those who championed that effort.
I had a right to say why they lost me as a fan and what I think of them, just like you and everyone else who has Posted have voiced their opinions. You obviously don't agree with my opinion on them. I can live with it.
You're the one who needs to "let it go" already.

I also think it's a fair estimation you were simply trying to bait or goad me to get a reaction with your "everything to you", "find a new band" and "if I love Music that much" comments. Honestly, they made me LOL!

So...how'd I do?

Did I pass?
...and most importantly, have I won anything?

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Wednesday Jan 25, 2006

Metallica's been around for about the same time Elvis was... the Young Elvis/Lardass Elvis debate comes to mind here. I'm not so sure Metallica changed all that much, but I KNOW my tastes did. It's Ride The Lightning? Master Of Puppets for me... then I got old, no matter what happened to Metallica.--------->JMS

Punkinhead · Post by **Punkinhead** » Wednesday Jan 25, 2006

songsmith wrote: I'm not so sure Metallica changed all that much, but I KNOW my tastes did. It's Ride The Lightning? Master Of Puppets for me...

My thoughts in a nutshell. Although I don't even know that I really like them much at all anymore...I kind of tend to like more black metal and melodic death than anything else.