Cancelled show

[jangel]

the lcb responds to complaints..be it neighbors or disgruntled patrons...underage trying to get served and refused. They don't just ride around listening for music. The bars are at everyones mercy..they have no recourse but to eliminate live bands and entertainment. If a town or boro etc has a noise ordinance the lcb does not respond..the local police must take care of it. trying to get municipalitys to set their own noise violations ....probably won't happen...too many old folks do not want to hear music etc ...they dislike the same fun they once had back when their social life revolved around bars and clubs. This state makes it virtually impossible to survive in small business. go to Pgh near the strip district and you will hear rock music 3 blocks before you get to the bar. why? whats different there? I know this because I am a small business and a bar owner.

[YankeeRose]

In the mid 70s on up, the Minersville pigs raided teenagers (My brother, his friends, numerous cousins and neighbors.) having bush parties and keggers...not only that, they'd take the booze and drink it themselves. Hell, they even got their jollies harrassing friends of mine who lived in town ('75 or '76) and were playing with squirt guns in the dead of Summer.



In my life's experience, big egos = small dicks. I met a D.A. or Assistant D.A. a few years ago and what amused me was I kept thinking that it's likely he's got the smallest dick in 3 states!

I was in Allentown this past summer and things are way different there. Clubs have their doors and windows wide open with bands playing. We were driving past a couple clubs and you could hear the music as if the radio was on. I'm wondering if this is the only part of the state that is constantly being harrassed. Why is it so different there?


[Ron] As far as I have found, if a PA city govt passes their own noise ordinances, it trumps the LCB noise "law" and allows the local cops to handle noise complaints.

"...as if the radio was on" leaves a lot to my imagination as to how loud it was...could have been blasting the roof off, or not. Louder is not always necessarily better. It depends on the venue.
There are some places, the sound quality stinks if it's too loud and others in residential areas, surrounded by houses, it was toned down a bit...I recall a few nights out at a place like that and it was fine.



Ron, I think you may be on to something... Still, the "wannabe
Activist" in me would like to see the LCB laws changed so they can't do what they are doing anywhere in the state, not just here. It would have to have enough support State-wide, for the laws to be changed, of course. With the help of PA Musician and everyone's family and friends, "and they'll tell 2 more, and so on", I'd like to imagine it would.

[Banned]

the lcb responds to complaints..be it neighbors or disgruntled patrons...underage trying to get served and refused. They don't just ride around listening for music. The bars are at everyones mercy..they have no recourse but to eliminate live bands and entertainment. If a town or boro etc has a noise ordinance the lcb does not respond..the local police must take care of it. trying to get municipalitys to set their own noise violations ....probably won't happen...too many old folks do not want to hear music etc ...they dislike the same fun they once had back when their social life revolved around bars and clubs. This state makes it virtually impossible to survive in small business. go to Pgh near the strip district and you will hear rock music 3 blocks before you get to the bar. why? whats different there? I know this because I am a small business and a bar owner.

Hey good luck with your new business.

I have been told by a long time bar owner that there does NOT have to be a complaint, the PLCB can just nail you out of the blue.

I also asked him what the stated decibel level of noise caused the violation? He said he could never find out what is the level.

How can you avoid breaking the law if they don't tell you at what decibel level you need to be under??

[the herald]

Ok, so we have :

The Castle Pub
Marty's
Griffiths
The Country Inn
Shooters
Ohio Street Lounge

These are the ones that I know of that have quit having bands due to noise violations, any others ?

rubines, victory lane, peter c's, lombardo's, beerbellies,hitching post all have had trouble with plcb and im sure theres a lot more

[Banned]

In my life's experience, big egos = small dicks. I met a D.A. or Assistant D.A. a few years ago and what amused me was I kept thinking that it's likely he's got the smallest dick in 3 states!

Note to self: change signature.

[Bert|Evil]

This state makes it virtually impossible to survive in small business. go to Pgh near the strip district and you will hear rock music 3 blocks before you get to the bar. why? whats different there?

That’s mainly because Allegheny County has more problems that it can handle… so why create more??? Their probation officers are losing people every day, often on the same day that they’re signing them up.

To compare Allegheny to Cambria or Blair:

Allegheny has real problems (murders, drugs, etc.) that they are trying to do something about, but it is insurmountable.

Cambria and Blair have real problems that they’re avoiding, but making problems out of live music and moderate hedonism seems to right the wrong (aka a witch hunt).

I couldn’t agree more about the commonwealth and small business. Big business, too! PNC and Mellon are contemplating a move out of Pittsburgh, which seems likely with their newest endeavors.

[jangel]

This problem with the lcb is not going to go away. The young musicians need to start voting and get involved if they want to continue playing music. As far as Cambria Co goes it has all but escorted its young people out of the county. Which in turn makes it hard for bars to survive, which makes live music disappear.
it may not help you personally (change takes time) but make it possible for the next group of musicians to enjoy what you have. Musicians want to make statements with their music, you also need to make statements with getting involved by voting out the corruption that is at the the leadership level now.

[YankeeRose]

In my life's experience, big egos = small dicks. I met a D.A. or Assistant D.A. a few years ago and what amused me was I kept thinking that it's likely he's got the smallest dick in 3 states!

Note to self: change signature.

Oops! Jimi, you're a very talented Musician and an all round groovy dude, I'd never say that you have a big ego.

[Jerry C]

yankeerose wrote.............

"...as if the radio was on" leaves a lot to my imagination as to how loud it was...could have been blasting the roof off, or not. Louder is not always necessarily better. It depends on the venue.
There are some places, the sound quality stinks if it's too loud and others in residential areas, surrounded by houses, it was toned down a bit...I recall a few nights out at a place like that and it was fine. ...................

I should have said as if the car stereo was on. Whether it sounded bad from being too loud was not the point I was trying to make. My point is that these club owners aren't the least bit concerned about how loud it is outside. It almost seems as if they know they are not going to be bothered for whatever reason. Club owners here do what they can so as not to bother anyone, but yet that never seems to be good enough. It is too much of a contrast to make sense. I think there is more to it than we know about.

[moxham123]

Tonefight,

I heard today that you can add The Slovenian Hall in Johnstown to the list. I understand they are closing completely because of the noise violations.

[Banned]

This state makes it virtually impossible to survive in small business. go to Pgh near the strip district and you will hear rock music 3 blocks before you get to the bar. why? whats different there?

That’s mainly because Allegheny County has more problems that it can handle… so why create more??? Their probation officers are losing people every day, often on the same day that they’re signing them up.

To compare Allegheny to Cambria or Blair:

Allegheny has real problems (murders, drugs, etc.) that they are trying to do something about, but it is insurmountable.

Cambria and Blair have real problems that they’re avoiding, but making problems out of live music and moderate hedonism seems to right the wrong (aka a witch hunt).

I couldn’t agree more about the commonwealth and small business. Big business, too! PNC and Mellon are contemplating a move out of Pittsburgh, which seems likely with their newest endeavors.

Bert, that is a very interesting and most probably true analysis of the situation in Blair and Cambria counties.

The local Boss Hoggs ignore the major problems here, and make the public think they are doing something by harassing bars. I had my house burglerized and many of my nieghbors, but it was never in the papers. Why would they want to tell us about the real damage heroin does to this area. It turns these poor dumb kids into full time crooks.

[tonefight]

Tonefight,

I heard today that you can add The Slovenian Hall in Johnstown to the list. I understand they are closing completely because of the noise violations.

If this keeps up you're gonna have to get a real job, either that or start traveling outta state.

[Bert|Evil]

Bert, that is a very interesting and most probably true analysis of the situation in Blair and Cambria counties.

The local Boss Hoggs ignore the major problems here, and make the public think they are doing something by harassing bars. I had my house burglerized and many of my nieghbors, but it was never in the papers. Why would they want to tell us about the real damage heroin does to this area. It turns these poor dumb kids into full time crooks.

I don’t know how often any of you get out of the state, but one thing becomes more unique about PA every time I think about it. PA demonizes drinking and moderate hedonism for underlying profit more than any state that I’ve seen, YET PA sells alcohol (i.e. State Stores) and employs and pays benefits on commonwealth employees to sell alcohol. To my knowledge, this is the only state in the union that does this. This is probably the one reason that PA hasn’t brought back Prohibition… because of the money they’d lose directly and indirectly.

(the 33 on the Rolling Rock bottle represents the year that Prohibition ended, by the way)

[moxham123]

Tonefight,

I just heard that Mel's in Somerset got 2 noise violations recently and they might stop bands if they get a 3rd one.

[Viva la Pelt]

They Killed Live music , U bastards!