Cancelled show

Viva la Pelt · Post by **Viva la Pelt** » Monday Jan 09, 2006

PELT was to play this upcoming Sat. nite at Ohio St. Lounge in Johnstown. We were to have House of Cain play with us but the PLCB served the bar another fine and now Fri. nite and Sat. nite bands are being cancelled For a month or two! Its total Bullshit this keeps going on! A month or two ago it happened at the Country Inn, before that Castle pub, before that Shooters! ITS TOTAL BULLSHIT! I M REALLY PISSED OFF AT THESE F&%K HEADS! WHEN WILL IT END?

Killjingle · Post by **Killjingle** » Monday Jan 09, 2006

sorry dude. it has finally started hitting the homefront. just keep supporting the place so they can afford to try again.

Viva la Pelt · Post by **Viva la Pelt** » Monday Jan 09, 2006

Awwe no doubt its not the bar its the man! And the MAN sux!

Killjingle · Post by **Killjingle** » Monday Jan 09, 2006

bassist4life2004 · Post by **bassist4life2004** » Monday Jan 09, 2006

dont feel bad man, we were playing at Marty's pub a while back and 7 or 8 state troopers marched in, arrested some kid on bogus charges, then shut us down. It was a crock of shit, they did it just to harass marty about having live entertainment, and we are a fucking ACOUSTIC band, 2 guys, me singing and playing guitar, and ryan playin guitar and doing backups. I know im a rather loud person, but that was a little bit ridiculous.

redawg · Post by **redawg** » Monday Jan 09, 2006

They haven't stopped harrassing the Castle Pub at all

tonefight · Post by **tonefight** » Monday Jan 09, 2006

Yeah it really sucks, 2 of our favorite places to play were, Griffiths and the Country Inn and they both quit having bands due to the LCB, it's very obvious that someone wants live entertainment to be a thing of the past in our area.
I wish I had a good answer for what to do cause its not lookin good.

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Monday Jan 09, 2006

pigs suck.

Viva la Pelt · Post by **Viva la Pelt** » Tuesday Jan 10, 2006

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dont feel bad man, we were playing at Marty's pub a while back and 7 or 8 state troopers marched in, arrested some kid on bogus charges, then shut us down. It was a crock of shit, they did it just to harass marty about having live entertainment, and we are a fucking ACOUSTIC band, 2 guys, me singing and playing guitar, and ryan playin guitar and doing backups. I know im a rather loud person, but that was a little bit ridiculous

We need ANARCHY!!!

Bert|Evil · Post by **Bert|Evil** » Tuesday Jan 10, 2006

All of you PA residents just need to grow your hair long and quit paying your taxes!! PA is terrible for fiscal budgeting and relies on drinking-related fines, both at the state level and at the local level. I know for a fact that there are municipalities around the Pittsburgh area that DUIs are the top-funding factor every year due to the fact that PA’s entrapment laws are next to being non-existent. If you took away DUIs, those municipalities would have to merge forces. The PLCB(E) is really no different, although the rewards go straight to the commonwealth. EASY MONEY!!

Let me draw a parallel. Do remember when cops had nothing better to do in Western and Central PA than to hide in trees and catch underagers drinking alcohol? Have you noticed that heroin and meth problems (including the robberies to fund those addictions) in Western and Central PA are getting worse everyday, yet the state and local cops try everything to avoid it?

It’s not like this in every state! You’ve got that to look forward to!

Mo Lester · Post by **Mo Lester** » Tuesday Jan 10, 2006

Bert|Evil wrote: Let me draw a parallel. Do remember when cops had nothing better to do in Western and Central PA than to hide in trees and catch underagers drinking alcohol? Have you noticed that heroin and meth problems (including the robberies to fund those addictions) in Western and Central PA are getting worse everyday, yet the state and local cops try everything to avoid it?

It’s not like this in every state! You’ve got that to look forward to!

Yes I remember the good ole days of keggers in the woods, and never looked at it that way, but you are 100% right. I am sure that they never saw that coming, or would use "lets let the kids drink" as a deterrant!
I would just really like to see them do more about it if they could. It has gotten perty bad with shit up in these small mountain towns.

AtoMikEnRtiA · Post by **AtoMikEnRtiA** » Tuesday Jan 10, 2006

Bert|Evil wrote:All of you PA residents just need to grow your hair long and quit paying your taxes!! PA is terrible for fiscal budgeting and relies on drinking-related fines, both at the state level and at the local level. I know for a fact that there are municipalities around the Pittsburgh area that DUIs are the top-funding factor every year due to the fact that PA’s entrapment laws are next to being non-existent. If you took away DUIs, those municipalities would have to merge forces. The PLCB(E) is really no different, although the rewards go straight to the commonwealth. EASY MONEY!!

Let me draw a parallel. Do remember when cops had nothing better to do in Western and Central PA than to hide in trees and catch underagers drinking alcohol? Have you noticed that heroin and meth problems (including the robberies to fund those addictions) in Western and Central PA are getting worse everyday, yet the state and local cops try everything to avoid it?

It’s not like this in every state! You’ve got that to look forward to!

I agree with you on the fiscal budgeting - and in Pennsylvania, it stems all the way back to business and economy, as does everything. Pennsylvania is the hardest state to get new manufacturing plants, businesses, companies and the sort to build in here because of the way the constitution on tax law is in the commonwealth..

You may ask yourself, what does this have to do with Liquor control and Live Music..

In a way.. nothing - but in another way, everything. The money that the commonwealth could make, if they would adjust their policy on new businesses and tax credits and cuts, could easily fund municipalities, state, local and some federal places - and maybe things like this wouldnt happen to bars, in a state where DUI is a major fundraiser.

The deal is, if say Toyota wants to build a plant in Duncansville for example, and they would only do so under premise of a tax cut - Pennsylvania law states that if one business gets a tax cut, then ALL businesses must get the same tax cut - that is bad business for the state, because Toyota will say no to PA, and move their plant plans to Kentucky, a state which allows individual tax cuts.. maybe if the state changed this, some more money would flow in that could help them budget and divvy up money a little better between all facets of life in this state, maybe not - this is just my opinion, and I could be wrong..

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Jan 10, 2006

Maybe their is some underlineing factor you all didnt think of with the bar owners and plcb what i want to know is is plcb comming in and stopping you from playing? or are they fining the bar owner on the spot? for being to loud? if not then I dont believe they just pick a place at random and say hey lets go here and harrass this place tonight their has to be a reason why they come, maybe the bar owner is letting people in who are underage ? I have seen that happen, and i know you have too. if thats not the reason they i think you should find out why cus if you dont it wont get any better.

Bert|Evil · Post by **Bert|Evil** » Tuesday Jan 10, 2006

AtoMikEnRtiA wrote:
I agree with you on the fiscal budgeting - and in Pennsylvania, it stems all the way back to business and economy, as does everything. Pennsylvania is the hardest state to get new manufacturing plants, businesses, companies and the sort to build in here because of the way the constitution on tax law is in the commonwealth..

You may ask yourself, what does this have to do with Liquor control and Live Music..

In a way.. nothing - but in another way, everything. The money that the commonwealth could make, if they would adjust their policy on new businesses and tax credits and cuts, could easily fund municipalities, state, local and some federal places - and maybe things like this wouldnt happen to bars, in a state where DUI is a major fundraiser.

The deal is, if say Toyota wants to build a plant in Duncansville for example, and they would only do so under premise of a tax cut - Pennsylvania law states that if one business gets a tax cut, then ALL businesses must get the same tax cut - that is bad business for the state, because Toyota will say no to PA, and move their plant plans to Kentucky, a state which allows individual tax cuts.. maybe if the state changed this, some more money would flow in that could help them budget and divvy up money a little better between all facets of life in this state, maybe not - this is just my opinion, and I could be wrong..

True ‘dat, but it isn’t just a business/ economy coorelation. The commonwealth wastes more money than what most people would imagine. It is a FACT that PA spends top dollar on the worst asphault (with the exception of revolutionary Superpave*). We could buy better stuff, cut spending, and the costs of paving the same road every two years. The contractors aren’t going to care since they see it as job security.

LYNN SWANN FOR GOVERNOR !!!

* denotes sarcasm

Bert|Evil · Post by **Bert|Evil** » Tuesday Jan 10, 2006

Mo Lester wrote: It has gotten perty bad with shit up in these small mountain towns.

… or so I’ve heard. I’ve even heard about the pizza shop getting robbed by a girl in her early 20s with a pellet gun. The ONLY reason that one made the papers is because the owner installed a camera system when she saw how much grief the state police were give the other business owners that were robbed by junkies.

Here’s the kicker… the girl’s dad (also a well known junkie) came by later and told the cops “aww c’mon, it was only a pellet gun”.

JayBird · Post by **JayBird** » Tuesday Jan 10, 2006

This really has nothing to do with the LCB shutting down clubs, but I wanted to reposnd to the above commnet about cops hiding in trees to catch underage drinkers. In Indiana County the cops are hiding along high traffic areas, dressed in camo, holding speed guns. When you rip by speeding, they radio ahead to a hidden cop patrol car (out of site - which is to be illegal) and that cop will then give you a ticket. They started this program last summer, early summer...It was in the Indiana Gazette at least two times. Not sure if the paper put it in to warn people or the cops had it put in the paper to show their newly aquired power trip. Are things really that bad where they now need people who look like they are hunting, but actually cops, holding speed guns to catch speeders? If there are no lines being drawn, over time, a cop may have the right to walk on your property while you sit on your front porch, drinking your first beer, and slap an open container fine on you. Over time, the only place that we may be able to have a beer is INSIDE our home. Sounds funny, but it might happen...

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Jan 10, 2006

Gotta agree with Jaybird there.

Our personal freedoms are slowly being taken away.

San Francisco just outlawed ownership of guns. They said a big FUCK you to the 2nd amendment.

A few of my neighbors are out thousands of dollars cause the bouough said they had to replace the culverts over the creek in their driveways. They looked perfectly fine to us. Try to argue with a local official.

These are just a few examples, probably could fill up a new topic quickly.

tonefight · Post by **tonefight** » Tuesday Jan 10, 2006

Ok, so we have :

The Castle Pub
Marty's
Griffiths
The Country Inn
Shooters
Ohio Street Lounge

These are the ones that I know of that have quit having bands due to noise violations, any others ?

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Tuesday Jan 10, 2006

"Rights?" Regarding the "law" and their enormous egos, we have the right to remain silent, that's about it. You don't want me to write some long paragraph about the crooked Clearfield County injustice system, do you? I thought not.

WTF is up with San Francisco, why doesn't "The State of CA" have Jurisdiction over a City...or is San Francisco "Ahnold's little experiment"? You know, to see just what he can get away with? Please, by all means, correct me if I'm wrong...

ASB10 · Post by **ASB10** » Tuesday Jan 10, 2006

Don't forget Beerbellies in Duncansville......and I am sure that there's more

facingwest · Post by **facingwest** » Tuesday Jan 10, 2006

Man, it really sux to hear what's going on. Over the past year or so whenever things started brewing up, I thought it was going to get a little worse, but never expected this. Keep your heads up folks. There's always light at the end of the tunnel.

On another note, if anyone would like to play down here (acoustic or full band) please let me know and I'll see what I can do. Some places put you up, other's don't. It really depends on the place. For those that are interested, PM me to make arrangements on getting your promo packs down here.

wiskerbisket · Post by **wiskerbisket** » Wednesday Jan 11, 2006

i could use some of that info facingwest

Jerry C · Post by **Jerry C** » Wednesday Jan 11, 2006

I was in Allentown this past summer and things are way different there. Clubs have their doors and windows wide open with bands playing. We were driving past a couple clubs and you could hear the music as if the radio was on. I'm wondering if this is the only part of the state that is constantly being harrassed. Why is it so different there?

redawg · Post by **redawg** » Wednesday Jan 11, 2006

I sent you a PM brudda John

Post by **Ron** » Wednesday Jan 11, 2006

Jerry C wrote:I was in Allentown this past summer and things are way different there. Clubs have their doors and windows wide open with bands playing. We were driving past a couple clubs and you could hear the music as if the radio was on. I'm wondering if this is the only part of the state that is constantly being harrassed. Why is it so different there?

As far as I have found, if a PA city govt passes their own noise ordinances, it trumps the LCB noise "law" and allows the local cops to handle noise complaints.