undercoverjoe wrote:Well Axel is a girly man who broke up a great band so he sucks anyway.
I have always liked a less girly, deeper vocal style:
Felix
Jim Morrison
Jimi
Much 50's and 60's Motown (except when they sang falsetto)
Danzig
Greg Allman
Muddy Waters.
You just proved AXL WAS THE BAND. W/O him they are nothing. Pretty good for a "girly man". Axl has more raw talent in his finger than a HUNDRED of these so called REAL METAL bands today! If they stood on each other shoulders they couldn't reach axl! ONE HUNDRED!
Axl is one of the GREATEST FRONT MEN ever! he had it all... raw talent. blistering AT_TI_TUDE. charisma. stage presnts. HE redifined.. EDGE! He IS the MAN!
SpellboundByMetal wrote:i dont like Zep and i dont like Plant/Page. Yeah, he sounds girly. i just cant get anything out of their songs.
I agree with that. Jimmy Page was and is a sloppy guitarist, mostly because of the heroin I am guessing. The vocals/lyrics are not all that impressive to me, the only lyrics that I care for are the Lord of the Rings tributes really.
undercoverjoe wrote:Well Axel... broke up a great band so he sucks anyway.
Axl "was" the band, "had" it all and he f'd it up...and while I also agree with your other Vocalist choices, there are many Zep tunes where Plant's voice goes LOW...he has a tremendous Vocal Range - this falls into the "to each their own"
category.
What do you know, unJoe? The Grimm was the only band recently who had a bag full of actual "Stage Presents"! I just love my Antlers, although some of the Bells fell off.
Of course this will never go anywhere because we all have different opinions i love Jimi Page, i dont care if he was sloppy, who said rock and roll had to be mathmatical so when jimi hendrix used feedback i guess in some peoples opinion that was sloppy and makes him suck? thats what separates classical music from rock and roll is the freedom to go outside the musical scale to discover new techniques, new directions! whether they take drugs or drink evian its what appeals to someone at that moment in there life and how they relate to it.dont get me wrong scructure is fine improv is fine but combine the two and viola thats what im talkin about!!!!
the herald wrote:Of course this will never go anywhere because we all have different opinions i love Jimi Page, i dont care if he was sloppy, who said rock and roll had to be mathmatical so when jimi hendrix used feedback i guess in some peoples opinion that was sloppy and makes him suck? thats what separates classical music from rock and roll is the freedom to go outside the musical scale to discover new techniques, new directions! whether they take drugs or drink evian its what appeals to someone at that moment in there life and how they relate to it.dont get me wrong scructure is fine improv is fine but combine the two and viola thats what im talkin about!!!!
very nice and agreed.
knowlege has a way of stifling creativinty. it can make it more difficult to do what you know isn't 'right'.
the herald wrote:Of course this will never go anywhere because we all have different opinions i love Jimi Page, i dont care if he was sloppy, who said rock and roll had to be mathmatical so when jimi hendrix used feedback i guess in some peoples opinion that was sloppy and makes him suck?
That's not what I am talking about. I am talking about the notes Page misses that end up sounding dead in some of his runs. Feedback isn't sloppy but, dead shit is.
no surrender wrote:
knowlege has a way of stifling creativinty. it can make it more difficult to do what you know isn't 'right'.
That's bullshit that lazy-ass musicians say to justify their lack of knowledge. I still don't get the whole "It's cool to not know how to play your instrument" mentality. If anything, knowledge helps you actualize the music in your head. If I'm playing and I hear a dorian scale going through my mind, it's going to be a lot easier to actualize that on the fretboard if I can recognize it as a dorian scale rather than play guessing games until I find the right notes. Likewise, if I'm sitting in and someone says, "Paul: Bb, I, vi, VI, V," it's going to be a lot better than trying to watch the guitarist or keyboardist hands to see what chords I'm suppose to be playing.
I'm not saying that theory is the be all, end all of playing; you still need soul. What I'm saying is the whole "knowledge stiffles creativity" argument has no basis in reality. I don't sit down with my guitar/bass, play a 7th chord and then say, "Damn it, I have to resolve this tritone now, or what I'm playing won't be correct."
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"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
the herald wrote:Of course this will never go anywhere because we all have different opinions i love Jimi Page, i dont care if he was sloppy, who said rock and roll had to be mathmatical so when jimi hendrix used feedback i guess in some peoples opinion that was sloppy and makes him suck? thats what separates classical music from rock and roll is the freedom to go outside the musical scale to discover new techniques, new directions! whether they take drugs or drink evian its what appeals to someone at that moment in there life and how they relate to it.dont get me wrong scructure is fine improv is fine but combine the two and viola thats what im talkin about!!!!
I never really liked sloppy guitarists. I like to hear all of the notes being played, and if they're not being executed cleanly, it just ruins the whole experience for me. That's what I always loved about Robben Ford: He's so damn clean in his playing. Every note he plays is clear and precise, even if he's just wanking on some pentatonic stuff.
"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
no surrender wrote:
knowlege has a way of stifling creativinty. it can make it more difficult to do what you know isn't 'right'.
That's bullshit that lazy-ass musicians say to justify their lack of knowledge. I still don't get the whole "It's cool to not know how to play your instrument" mentality. If anything, knowledge helps you actualize the music in your head. If I'm playing and I hear a dorian scale going through my mind, it's going to be a lot easier to actualize that on the fretboard if I can recognize it as a dorian scale rather than play guessing games until I find the right notes. Likewise, if I'm sitting in and someone says, "Paul: Bb, I, vi, VI, V," it's going to be a lot better than trying to watch the guitarist or keyboardist hands to see what chords I'm suppose to be playing.
I'm not saying that theory is the be all, end all of playing; you still need soul. What I'm saying is the whole "knowledge stiffles creativity" argument has no basis in reality.
did hendrix follow 'theory'?
what i am saying is knowlege makes for boundries. the more you know the harder it is to play outside the box. creative play comes from heart not the mind. from pasion not mathmatics. if the ladder were true every music teacher on earth would be a creative genius. actually the reverse is mostly true.
no surrender wrote:what i am saying is knowlege makes for boundries. the more you know the harder it is to play outside the box. creative play comes from heart not the mind. from pasion not mathmatics.
You could have the perfect idea for the best novel ever written, complete with character bios, plot twists and a suspensful climax; however, if you cannot read or write, it is impossible to bring this idea across to those around you.
no surrender wrote:
knowlege has a way of stifling creativinty. it can make it more difficult to do what you know isn't 'right'.
That's bullshit that lazy-ass musicians say to justify their lack of knowledge. I still don't get the whole "It's cool to not know how to play your instrument" mentality. If anything, knowledge helps you actualize the music in your head. If I'm playing and I hear a dorian scale going through my mind, it's going to be a lot easier to actualize that on the fretboard if I can recognize it as a dorian scale rather than play guessing games until I find the right notes. Likewise, if I'm sitting in and someone says, "Paul: Bb, I, vi, VI, V," it's going to be a lot better than trying to watch the guitarist or keyboardist hands to see what chords I'm suppose to be playing.
I'm not saying that theory is the be all, end all of playing; you still need soul. What I'm saying is the whole "knowledge stiffles creativity" argument has no basis in reality.
did hendrix follow 'theory'?
what i am saying is knowlege makes for boundries. the more you know the harder it is to play outside the box. creative play comes from heart not the mind. from pasion not mathmatics. if the ladder were true every music teacher on earth would be a creative genius. actually the reverse is mostly true.
Go back and read what I posted!!! Did I say that theory is a replacement for creativity. Oh wait, no; I said just the complete opposite:
bassist_25 wrote:I'm not saying that theory is the be all, end all of playing; you still need soul.
I'm a big fan of architecture. I'm in awe at the asthetic beauty of many buildings. They're obviously built by some creative individuals. Still, those architects needs to have a firm grasp of geometry or their buildings are going to fall over. If you don't have a simple graps of some musicial concepts, your going to be playing your instrument out of key. So you think knowledge creates boundaries? Go watch a Jazz combo. I'm not talking about some psuedo-new wave-swing band. I mean an honest to God Bebop Jazz group. You'll see some of the most creative musicians on the face of the Earth, and I can guarantee that most of them up on the bandstand probaly have at least undergraduate (if not graduate) degrees in music.
"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
bassist_25 wrote:
That's bullshit that lazy-ass musicians say to justify their lack of knowledge. I still don't get the whole "It's cool to not know how to play your instrument" mentality. If anything, knowledge helps you actualize the music in your head. If I'm playing and I hear a dorian scale going through my mind, it's going to be a lot easier to actualize that on the fretboard if I can recognize it as a dorian scale rather than play guessing games until I find the right notes. Likewise, if I'm sitting in and someone says, "Paul: Bb, I, vi, VI, V," it's going to be a lot better than trying to watch the guitarist or keyboardist hands to see what chords I'm suppose to be playing.
I'm not saying that theory is the be all, end all of playing; you still need soul. What I'm saying is the whole "knowledge stiffles creativity" argument has no basis in reality.
did hendrix follow 'theory'?
what i am saying is knowlege makes for boundries. the more you know the harder it is to play outside the box. creative play comes from heart not the mind. from pasion not mathmatics. if the ladder were true every music teacher on earth would be a creative genius. actually the reverse is mostly true.
Go back and read what I posted!!! Did I say that theory is a replacement for creativity. Oh wait, no; I said just the complete opposite:
bassist_25 wrote:I'm not saying that theory is the be all, end all of playing; you still need soul.
I'm a big fan of architecture. I'm in awe at the asthetic beauty of many buildings. They're obviously built by some creative individuals. Still, those architects needs to have a firm grasp of geometry or their buildings are going to fall over. If you don't have a simple graps of some musicial concepts, your going to be playing your instrument out of key. So you think knowledge creates boundaries? Go watch a Jazz combo. I'm not talking about some psuedo-new wave-swing band. I mean an honest to God Bebop Jazz group. You'll see some of the most creative musicians on the face of the Earth, and I can guarantee that most of them up on the bandstand probaly have at least undergraduate (if not graduate) degrees in music.
This is pretty much a longer version of what I was going to post....My thoughts exactly.....
BadDazeRob wrote:Hey, we've been passing out free Snickers bars at every show for a couple months now ... r:>)
Pishaw! Deathmaster got a Comic Book (I don't think it was a "Super Man" one, sorry dude! ) and Esa had a Christmas Ball in her decolletage. Now, I'm not certain if she pulled it out of the bag or it was given to her by someone else who got it...and I of course, reached in and pulled out Red and Green Antlers, with Gold Bells on them, no less! :yay: I would enjoy a "satisfying Snickers", but these were REAL "Stage Presents", so kudos to The Grimm!
