Conservative/Liberal Joke

[FatVin]

Fox News? Are you kidding? All news is biased in some another let's get real.

First of all, Taxes are not punisment they are the price we pay for bridges and roads and police and education and national security. We've got an overwhelming National Debt in this county but the Republicans seems to think they can solve that by cutting taxes.

Health care: GM spends more on Health care than they do on Steel but accoring to the GOP there's nothing wrong with our Healthcare system. Unless like, Rain Wolf you are one of the millions who can't get health care.

The War? Well as a former service man myself I know that our troops are doing their duty as the best trained, most professional Armed force in the world but why didn't we give them enough Kevlar and Armor and why did Bush use lies like Iraq had WMD's and Iraq is connected to Al Queda to accomplish his personal agenda.

And then there's EnRon (Cronies of Bush and Cheney) and Haliburton (Cheney's corporate buddies), and Scooter Libby and Tom Delay. And what about Bush's connection to the Saudi's, and why wont Congress Pass laws to make sure that make your votes are counted. HR550 is hung up in Committee. Why haven't they passed HR4463 and Senate Bill 1975 (The Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2005)

What are the Republicans afraid of? They've been so busy trying to bring free elections to Iraq what about Free and Honest election here at home.

There is something not quite on the up and up about these Bush people.

It's the same here in PA, why haven't they passed PA HB2000 and PA SB977 is the GOP afraid of Free elections?

[FretBored]

Try Fox news. They report, you decide.

Fox, CNN yadda yadda yadda,, all run buy the govenment and the FCC. If they don't play ball they are off th air. Wake up this is like a dictatorship, or communisum. US news is nothing but propaganda.

As many predicted, President Bush named FCC Commissioner Kevin Martin chairman of the agency. Martin replaces the outgoing Michael Powell.(The Generals son)

Because Martin is already a member of the commission, his March 16 elevation to chairman does not need to be approved by the Senate. Martin, a 38-year-old Republican, worked in the Bush White House as an economic adviser and served as a deputy general counsel on Bush's first presidential campaign before being appointed to the FCC.

[FretBored]

OK ToonaRockGuy, we are up to your tricks, While we squabble about politics you are secretly writhing the Rock Super Album of the Decade. You evil doer, you rank right up there with the Riddler, Joker, Penguin and the rest of em!

Don't be suprised if you see the Bat Shadow over your home one of these nights. Wham! POP! POW! KAZAMIE! and then we can get back to our music!

[Bert|Evil]

Wars cost a LOT of moolah, buddy boy, let alone LIVES...are you going to volunteer? I didn't think so.

I'm already there (supporting the warfighter)! Unlike yourself, I can speak from experience. You see, those of us who can speak from experience differ greatly from those who form their opinion based on what they watch on TV.

How narrow minded and that's the typical mindless, complacent, status quo response that I've come to expect... I was an "Army wife" during the 1st Gulf War and all the Soldiers I knew didn't think we belonged there, but one never saw them on TV. For this War, my friend's husband served in Baghdad and my children and I stayed with her and their children for a month...every knock at the door, she was a nervous wreck...and I know several others who have been there. I know a kid my oldest son graduated with who is there right now and my daughter knew one kid who came back dead.

Any military wife would know that her husband signed-up (and may continue to sign-up) under the premise that the worst could happen in service to his/ her country. If you’re truly and ex-Army wife, I’m sure that you heard the “Jody” theory. Maybe he didn’t tell you about that. Dare I wonder????

I should remind you that the “mindless, complacent, status quo response that I've come to expect” issues were part of the last decade. You’re in an age of normality and realism now.

[Bert|Evil]

This thread has been officially hijacked. Damn. I'm never posting another fucking political joke again. Screw this.

What the hell did you expect with the words “conservative” and “liberal” in the title of this thread?

[Banned]

FatVin, are you sure you are not the number one hater of everything good about America, Michael Moore?

Did you think that there was just a little something wrong about our last proven lier of a president, Slick Willie?

Lets see...


Lied to the country about Monica,

gave China the technology to aim their nucs at us correctly,

lied under oath, was impeached,

and only president to lose his lisense to pratice law,

used the IRS to attack anyone not a freakin liberal democrat,

had illegal FBI files on political enemies,

accpeted illegal campaigne contributions,

set free Peuto Rico terrorists so Hil could win in NY,

wasted many chances to get Bin Ladin and

reduced the size and feminized out military,

the only president to be accused of raping several women.

He is ok because he wanted to spend money and increase taxes.

[YankeeRose]

Any military wife would know that her husband signed-up (and may continue to sign-up) under the premise that the worst could happen in service to his/ her country. If you’re truly and ex-Army wife, I’m sure that you heard the “Jody” theory. Maybe he didn’t tell you about that. Dare I wonder????

I should remind you that the “mindless, complacent, status quo response that I've come to expect” issues were part of the last decade. You’re in an age of normality and realism now.

Bert, you are confused. "If I'm "truly"? WTF? My daughter was born in Darnall Army Community Hospital, Fort Hood, Texas. During the first Gulf War my then husband was "regular" Army and when he was sent to Iraq within 2 weeks of going to Germany, I fully knew that something could happen at any moment. My friend's husband is in the PA National Guard and him being sent to Iraq was the LAST thing they ever expected! She was the one who was a total wreck. Her husband's Unit lost several young men. If the reasons for any of our Troops having lost their lives weren't simply out right LIES, this would not be an issue - WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND!?! You equate not agreeing with our Dictator's leading us to illegally invade a country with not supporting the Troops and that is the SO CALLED "Patriot" response the Bush Administration wants you to have. According to the nimrod, I'm a "Traitor" because I don't agree with him. So yes, responses like that say mindless, i.e. brainwashed, complacent and following the status quo to me.
Although, I'm hopeful the tide will keep turning...there's always hope! "Normality" and "realism"? That doesn't describe the country I live in. If normalcy and realism truly existed, Bush and his entire Administration would be Impeached. "High Crimes and Misdemeanors."

[no surrender]

FatVin, are you sure you are not the number one hater of everything good about America, Michael Moore?

Did you think that there was just a little something wrong about our last proven lier of a president, Slick Willie?

Lets see...


Lied to the country about Monica,

gave China the technology to aim their nucs at us correctly,

lied under oath, was impeached,

and only president to lose his lisense to pratice law,

used the IRS to attack anyone not a freakin liberal democrat,

had illegal FBI files on political enemies,

accpeted illegal campaigne contributions,

set free Peuto Rico terrorists so Hil could win in NY,

wasted many chances to get Bin Ladin and

reduced the size and feminized out military,

the only president to be accused of raping several women.

He is ok because he wanted to spend money and increase taxes.

he lied to country (and wife) about a woman and feminized out the military! OMG! ROFL!

if this all you can come up with?? pretty funny

[Banned]

NS like all clueless liberals, you ignored 95% of the real damage Willie did to this country and only talk about the sex. You use "he only lied about sex" as a smokescreen to try and deflect the damage this criminal has done to the Presidency and country.

Using the IRS to go after his political opponents and collecting FBI files and keeping them in the White House is corruption of the highest scale just to name two crimes he should be in jail for.

Giving up Bin Laden on several occasions, suppressing knowledge the defense department collected on terrorists in this country (including Mohammed ATTA and 4 other 9/11 of the plane hijackers....look into the "Able Danger" scandel), but the worst crime he committed was exchange for illegal campaign contributuions the techinal data to launch and track ICBM's from China to the US mainland. For this he should be shot as a traitor.

I never hear a liberal ever talk about these crimes, always the "it was only about sex" deflection is used.

[rain wolf]

i'm worried... this kept me up all night! did anyone get the person down out of the air baloon?!?

[FatVin]

This is what happens when you get all your news from Rush Limbaugh

Lied to the country about Monica,

Yeah, He lied about a blowjob. He lied to a question he never should have been asked in the first place. The Ken Starr witchhunt couldn't pin some bad land deal on him so they dig and illiegally record conversatons until they dug up Monica. When are you guys gonna get over Monica

gave China the technology to aim their nucs at us correctly,

an unproven allegation of the radical right

lied under oath, was impeached,

Wasn't the first to be impeached won't be the last.

and only president to lose his lisense to pratice law,

all over being forced to answer questions he never should have been asked inthe first place.

used the IRS to attack anyone not a freakin liberal democrat,

Like Who? Most of the people who got hit with the tax increases were rich Hollywood types, Clinton's Biggest fans

had illegal FBI files on political enemies,

Well, God knows the GOP has never done that...ever hear of J. Edgar Hoover?

accpeted illegal campaigne contributions,

find a politicians on any side of the aisle, who hasnt

set free Peuto Rico terrorists so Hil could win in NY,

Name one......Yet another Radical right scream for vengeange

wasted many chances to get Bin Ladin and

hindsight is 20/20, even hardcore Cia types didn't think Bin Laden was a major threat until the Yemen thing

reduced the size and feminized out military,

The Size of the Military was reduiced cause we won the cold war and most of the legislation that did that was signed by GB#41 as to Feminized...what the hell does that even mean, there have been females in the service since WWII

the only president to be accused of raping several women.

Not True, Jefferson, Jackson, Cleveland and TR, all had accusations made against them but because , like in Clintons, case the charges were bullshit, you have to look hard in the history books to find them.

He is ok because he wanted to spend money and increase taxes.

All presidents spend money, can't avoid it and I refer you to my earlier posts about taxes.

And for the record, Michael Moore is a big fat Douchebag. I think we can agree on this, if only this.

I voted for Reagan, I voted for GHWB, the first time but I felt let down so I voted for Bill twice. Was he a great president, I'd say no but he's better than the knucklehead we got now, I thought Bush-lite was scum bag from jumpstreet and the more I learn about him the less I like him but I now know him to be the biggest crook to ever hold the office, worse than tricky-dick ever was. There is a culture of corruption in the white house now and if the republicans are so great, why wont Congress Pass laws to make sure that make your votes are counted. HR550 is hung up in Committee. Why haven't they passed HR4463 and Senate Bill 1975 (The Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2005)

What are the Republicans afraid of? They've been so busy trying to bring free elections to Iraq what about Free and Honest election here at home.

Answer that!

[no surrender]

fatvin, THANK YOU for your sanity! a rare comody these days!!

[FatVin]

Thanks, I'm just tired of "Larry the Cable Guy, Conservatives" who don't like Democrats not because they disagree with a political stance but because of the perception that Democrats are Pussies and ya know what Democrats have been Pussies and that needs to change.

These Bush People are so crooked and corrupt and so greedy and so willing to use The Flag and the Church and the efforts of our young soldiers to line their own pockets and feather the nest of their cronies that it makes me wanna hurl.

So C'mon you right wingers answer the fuckin Question:

why wont THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED Congress Pass laws to make sure that make your votes are counted. HR550 is hung up in Committee. Why haven't they passed HR4463 and Senate Bill 1975 (The Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2005)

What are the Republicans afraid of? They've been so busy trying to bring free elections to Iraq what about Free and Honest election here at home.

GET THAT DONE

[Banned]

If there is a law a liberal socialist marxist wants passed, something must be wrong with it.
I will now work against passing those bills for the good of this country.





I am so far right of Rush, he becomes more like a democrat every he defends Bush.

Bush spends like a drunken sailor (i.e. democrat), and he is more of a democrat than a conservative.

The democrats ought to wise up and realize that Bush is one of them.

True conservatives and libertarians are disguisted by Bush.

As far as your worship of everything Clinton, it is a disease, you ought get it checked out. Maybe your brainwashed thinking can just shrugg off everything he did, but thank God not everyone gets their info from Michael Moore or the Clinton News Network (CNN).

There is a push to have the Barrett Repost released soon. Look that up.

It is the only Special prosecuter's report from the Illegal Clinton administration that has not been allowed to be released. Dems like Kerry and others are trying to keep this from the public for over 6 years now. It will show all of the illegal dirty tricks the Slick Willie gangsters used to punish anyone who stood against them.


This may be a suprise to you, but you cannot use the IRS, FBI, and the Justice Department as you personal SS squad when you think you are the Supreme Leader.

BTW, as far as the new liberal montra.."Bush Lied" ...meybe he did, but every politician before the wasl have said the same exact things about WMD. Clinton, Kerry, Reid....all said Saddam is dangerous and had WMD.

Hint....all politicians lie.

One last question....who is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them into the Armed Services. Is it not a total volunteer army?

History lesson: there was a draft in the 60 and 70, and many soldiers were there against their will. Today....volunteer army, no one forced there.

[FretBored]

UNDERCOVERJOE for Prez!!!!!!!!!!!

[lonewolf]

I am always amused by the Bush and Clinton haters. Neither are/were as bad as either claims. Frantic quotes and replies. My favorite recurring theme is the Clinton blowjob in the Oral office. This really gives both sides a chance to shine!

edit:

I didn't get a chance to read that last UC Joe. Many will remember that I am a supply-sider and agree that Bush spends like a democrat.

[songsmith]

... and refuses to seal our borders, which I feel is the #1 terrorism threat to this country, not Iraq.
To everyone involved, especially my friend Joe...
If you think you will somehow change someone's personal politics with posts on a musician website, you are wasting keystrokes. FatVin, ImGrimm, LoneWolf and all of us have very ingrained ideas, being grownups and all, and nobody, not even our moms, will change our minds... in fact if we can change YOUR mind with a political post, SHAME on you, for being too easily swayed.
Politics and religion are such hotbutton subjects because they are so personal. My political views are mostly affected by the issues that affect me directly... I assume it's the same for you all. If you seek validation of your political views, go to a site populated by those who feel the same... I guarantee nobody will feel the exact same way about everything, which is what makes you... you.
This country's largely two-party system and a free press guarantee a built in system of checks and balances, and BOTH sides are necessary to democracy. You may not agree with the other side, but they keep us free by giving us a choice.
Now lets talk music, or at least something positive, before I slit a f*cking wrist. --------->JMS

[YankeeRose]

It's all the same..."Traitor", "Marxist", "Communist"...yep, that's what Democrats are...it is to laugh! In TRUE reality we are in the grips of a FASCIST regime.
Read up on Fascism and tell me that's not this country under Dubya and Company. I so wish I could remember who wrote what I read last year...their quoted words described what we have been living with under the Bush Dictatorship to a t: controlling the masses using fear (In other words, playing the "terror" card in every other sentence.) is what caught my eye and there was much, much more...it may have been one of the Roosevelts that said it, I'm not certain. I'm an American, first and foremost and I love my country. It just so happens that the political party that I feel most closely represents me - and might possibly have a snowball's chance in hell of winning an Election if it's not illegally tampered with, that is - just happens to be the Democratic Party. Bush, or I should say Bush/Cheney are using the IRS, FBI, CIA, Justice Department and every other agency at their disposal for far more nefarious ends and have done far more nefarious things than Clinton could even ever dream of.
Just ONE example: the leak of Plame's name goes all the way to the top. Neo-Cons, Neo-Fascists.
They mean the same to me. To them, the ends justify the means, so that makes anything they do okay in their eyes. To them the Constitution is "just a Goddamn piece of paper" - one of Dubya's profound quotes.

[BDR]

The most ridiculous part of each and every one of these political threads that develop here on Rockpage is, while people argue so vehemently for their "guy," with such passion that ALWAYS results in name calling, Clinton, Bush, Shuster, Santorum, Jubelirer, Sather, Geist (and the list goes on and on and on) are all laughing their way to the bank.

NONE of the f*ckers listed above, nor any of their colleagues on the same side or the opposite side of the aisle, give a good goddamn about any of us. They really don't. If you think they do, you're deceived and naive. They are ALL career politicians with no regard for anything but what special interest can do for THEM.

While we bicker over who's right and who's wrong, they're all enjoying HEAT this winter -- Dems and GOPs -- and they're heading out to the opera in their pimped out Escalades.

Anyone ever see what Geist drives? Holy shit.

Sather used to be "the next door neighbor guy," the "fire chief of a rural local fire company guy," the "bump into him at the grocery store and chat in the aisles every day Joe.” Now, without blinking, he and his buddies in H-burg have forgotten why they ran to "represent" the constituency in the first place. They're too busy counting their money to represent anybody.

No one in Harrisburg or Washington, for that matter, represents my best interests, I'll tell you that. I don't make 6 figures so they can't relate to my needs or viewpoints.

Term limits. That's a step in the right direction. When you’ve been in office as long as Jubelirer, how could you possibly even pretend to give a shit about “Joe Nobody” working for minimum wage?

Bottom line: When it comes to political debate, the person who's been deceived by those you oppose is not your enemy, because you’re being deceived right along with him or her. The suits on Capitol Hill are the true enemy because they absolutely don't give a flying f*ck about anyone but themselves. They’ve forgotten what’s it’s like to be an “Average American.”

r:>)

[RAM Z]

You're def. right there Rob!

[FatVin]

After reading some of these post it occurs to me that I owe an apology:

Sorry, I thought you guys were sane,

Sorry, I thought you guys were intelligent,

Sorry, I thought you guys were capable of understanding the complexities of modern democracy and had the ability to discuss real issues,

Sorry, My bad.

It'll never happen again

[Banned]

There was NO repeat NO crime committed by anyone connected to the Valerie Plame business except her husband. She has not been "undercover" in something like 7 years. The law would only be broken if she were still in that classification.

Her husband went to Liberia and made a report. He then lied about what he said in his OWN report to the press to get his 15 minutes of fame.

For years he had bragged about his CIA spy wife.


Scooter Libby is charged with obstruction of justice in the investigation of a non-crime, he did NOT leak the name as so often reported in the criminal liberal press.

[Banned]

To all liberals herein, when you put down the kool-aid, clear your heads, we can talk.

Your New York, San Francisco far left wing lunacy will not fly here in the heartland of the good country.

Every lie put out by moveon.org, the New York Times, and everything paid for by George Soros is seen as the total bullshit that it truely is.

Can you prove one thing I posted is not true? I mean really prove, not because Howard Dean said it.

[FretBored]

On a musical note!

Are The Good Times Really Over

I wish a buck was still silver and it was back when the country was strong.
Back before Elvis and before the Vietnam war came along.
Before the Beatles and yesterday when a man could still work and still would.
Is the best of the free life behind us now and are the good times really over for good ?

Are we rollin' downhill like a snowball headed for hell?
With no kind of chance for the flag or the liberty bell?
I wish a Ford or a Chevy would still last ten years like they should.
Is the best of the free life behind us now and are the good times really over for good?

I wish Coke was still cola and a joint was a bad place to be.
It was back before Nixon lied to us all on TV.
Before Microwave ovens when a girl could still cook, and still would.
Is the best of the free life behind us now and are the good times really over for good ?

Are we rollin' downhill like a snowball headed for hell?
With no kind of chance for the flag or the liberty bell?
I wish a Ford or a Chevy would still last ten years like they should.
Is the best of the free life behind us now and are the good times really over for good?

Stop rollin' downhill like a snowball headed for hell.
Standup for the flag, and let's all ring the liberty bell.
Let's make a Ford and a Chevy that'll still last ten years like they should...over gor good.

Tell Merle to PM me with any lawsuits.... This song just keeps going thru my head when I read this thread.

[BDR]

After reading some of these post it occurs to me that I owe an apology:

Sorry, I thought you guys were sane,

Sorry, I thought you guys were intelligent,

Sorry, I thought you guys were capable of understanding the complexities of modern democracy and had the ability to discuss real issues,

Sorry, My bad.

It'll never happen again

To all liberals herein, when you put down the kool-aid, clear your heads, we can talk.

Your New York, San Francisco far left wing lunacy will not fly here in the heartland of the good country.

Every lie put out by moveon.org, the New York Times, and everything paid for by George Soros is seen as the total bullshit that it truely is.

Can you prove one thing I posted is not true? I mean really prove, not because Howard Dean said it.

Dance, my puppets, dance.

As long as we continue to subscribe to this f'ed up two-party system that answers only to special interest, there will be flame wars like the above.

Time for another tea party. There is NO representation for private citizens in America.

r:>)