Hey this was also off of a joke page... Guess it wasn't as funny as the hot air ballon?FretBored wrote:You know you're a right winger if you believe that if you stop spending money on it, a social problem will just go away.
Conservative/Liberal Joke
OK to lighten things back up here is one my daughter told me.
A golden retriever sees an ad for a Job in a window and goes into the offices. He sits in front of a secretary’s desk until she asks, “can I help you”.
The dog goes to the window and sniffs the help wanted ad.
She says “Oh you are interested in the job?
Well I’m sorry but we need someone that can type.
The dog hops up on a chair and types a memo and gives it to her.
She says, “That’s amazing but we can’t hire a dog.
Then the dog goes over to the Equal Employment paperwork on a bulletin board and barks.
She says we are an equal opportunity employer but our want ad is asking for someone that is bi-lingual, sorry! The dog just stares at her for a few seconds and says “meeeow!”
A golden retriever sees an ad for a Job in a window and goes into the offices. He sits in front of a secretary’s desk until she asks, “can I help you”.
The dog goes to the window and sniffs the help wanted ad.
She says “Oh you are interested in the job?
Well I’m sorry but we need someone that can type.
The dog hops up on a chair and types a memo and gives it to her.
She says, “That’s amazing but we can’t hire a dog.
Then the dog goes over to the Equal Employment paperwork on a bulletin board and barks.
She says we are an equal opportunity employer but our want ad is asking for someone that is bi-lingual, sorry! The dog just stares at her for a few seconds and says “meeeow!”
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As far as people being "generous" and "philanthropy"? When a major catastrophy happens, sure, the cups runneth over, but other than when those happen, the unfortunate in society are left a swingin' in the breeze and you can take THAT to the bank! Some people have pride and "don't ask nobody for nothin', if they can't get it on their own", to paraphrase. "Pride goeth before a fall"...and many times it does. Don't be so quick to judge...unless you've walked a mile in a man or a woman's shoes, don't think every person of lesser means is out to "milk the system"...those of you that do believe that are very wrong. The reasons we invaded Iraq seem to change as fast as the days of the week...the reason we went to Afghanistan was a War on Terror and to get Osama...well, where the HELL is he? "I love my Country, but fear my Government"...the blatant deadly liars who are in firm control of this country now? Exactly. If we don't agree with them we are traitors? For saying that, they are the only true traitors and can kiss my ass! Someone mentioned "pacifism"...I think an even worse threat and something to fear even more, is complacency, being okay with the status quo and that has been rampant in this country for far too many years, now. Okay, off my soap box!
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YankeeRose wrote:
When a major catastrophy happens, sure, the cups runneth over, but other than when those happen, the unfortunate in society are left a swingin' in the breeze and you can take THAT to the bank! Some people have pride and "don't ask nobody for nothin', if they can't get it on their own", to paraphrase. "Pride goeth before a fall"...and many times it does. Don't be so quick to judge...unless you've walked a mile in a man or a woman's shoes, don't think every person of lesser means is out to "milk the system"...those of you that do believe that are very wrong. The reasons we invaded Iraq seem to change as fast as the days of the week...the reason we went to Afghanistan was a War on Terror and to get Osama...well, where the HELL is he? "I love my Country, but fear my Government"...the blatant deadly liars who are in firm control of this country now? Exactly. If we don't agree with them we are traitors? For saying that, they are the only true traitors and can kiss my ass! Someone mentioned "pacifism"...I think an even worse threat and something to fear even more, is complacency, being okay with the status quo and that has been rampant in this country for far too many years, now. Okay, off my soap box!
A agree with you yankee.
I dont trust one thing about the stinkin government. Someday they will have their hand up everyones ass controling them that way. Giant puppets. I think that the whole"WAR" was a plague for GB to go after saddam for his daddy. He could care less that there are people dying and hostages being killed........ his excuse "WE WILL NOT GIVE IN TO TERRORIST" ... i agreeto an extent but hes basically saying go ahead and kill them!
IMO ,,,, Yes there are people out there that "milk " the system for all they can., however this is NOT everyone on the welfare system. For anyone to look down upon people who are on the welfare system just makes you ignorant and rude. Sometimes people need help, and im sure you would be embarrassed to have to get that kind of help , so for anyone to make smart remarks about these people is just shit! Maybe if minimum wage was more then 5.15, there wouldnt be so many people on welfare, and if there were more training and more decent jobs...... especially in this hell whole area.
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A few thoughts here:
As far as political classifications go, I fall pretty much in the libertarian category. I'm a free market advocate; I want to do away with as much taxes as possible (capital gains anyone?); and I think that it's bullshit that people can go to jail for victimless crimes (if I want to smoke a spliff and order up a hooker, it's my own damn business). But I hate telling people I'm a libertarian because they automatically think I'm some delusional schmuck who's read way too much Rand and Nozick; wants to do away with every tax; and thinks the cure to all of all our social problems, especially public schooling, is to simply privatize everything.
1st: You can't have a primarily capitalistic economic system without a socialist base. Everyone eventually falls on hard times. We're not farmers, so we need to eat. Should people live better off of welfare/unemployment/SSI than someone who is working? No. (and in many cases, I've seen people live better off of welfare than someone who works) Also, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Republicans and many people on the right simply believe that upward mobility happens if you "work hard". Without Pell Grants, Stafford Loans, etc. it would be impossible for many people to attend higher education. You need those socialist systems in order for people to better themselves and provide upward mobility. Without them, you're just creating greater stratification. Most people don't have $30,000+ to go to college. I know that I don't, and stocking shelves at WalMart isn't going to get me there.
2nd: This is a very cynical view, but taxes are nessessary for philantrophy. Why? Because the primary reason why many institutions donante money is for the tax write-off. Do you honestly think that majority of people donate out of the goodness of their hearts? Also, there are just some things you can't privitize. Could you imagine driving on private highways? You'd be paying money into a toll booth every three miles. Would privitzing the judicial system be a good idea? It's bad enough when private interests sneak their way into the government via special interest dollars and kickbacks; it would be even worse when private interest have a direct line right into the government.
Wow, I don't think I've written so many rhetorical questions in one post. But on a lighter note, I'm coming to see The Grimm tonight!!!!
As far as political classifications go, I fall pretty much in the libertarian category. I'm a free market advocate; I want to do away with as much taxes as possible (capital gains anyone?); and I think that it's bullshit that people can go to jail for victimless crimes (if I want to smoke a spliff and order up a hooker, it's my own damn business). But I hate telling people I'm a libertarian because they automatically think I'm some delusional schmuck who's read way too much Rand and Nozick; wants to do away with every tax; and thinks the cure to all of all our social problems, especially public schooling, is to simply privatize everything.
1st: You can't have a primarily capitalistic economic system without a socialist base. Everyone eventually falls on hard times. We're not farmers, so we need to eat. Should people live better off of welfare/unemployment/SSI than someone who is working? No. (and in many cases, I've seen people live better off of welfare than someone who works) Also, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Republicans and many people on the right simply believe that upward mobility happens if you "work hard". Without Pell Grants, Stafford Loans, etc. it would be impossible for many people to attend higher education. You need those socialist systems in order for people to better themselves and provide upward mobility. Without them, you're just creating greater stratification. Most people don't have $30,000+ to go to college. I know that I don't, and stocking shelves at WalMart isn't going to get me there.
2nd: This is a very cynical view, but taxes are nessessary for philantrophy. Why? Because the primary reason why many institutions donante money is for the tax write-off. Do you honestly think that majority of people donate out of the goodness of their hearts? Also, there are just some things you can't privitize. Could you imagine driving on private highways? You'd be paying money into a toll booth every three miles. Would privitzing the judicial system be a good idea? It's bad enough when private interests sneak their way into the government via special interest dollars and kickbacks; it would be even worse when private interest have a direct line right into the government.
Wow, I don't think I've written so many rhetorical questions in one post. But on a lighter note, I'm coming to see The Grimm tonight!!!!
"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
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Hey bassist_25, I'm going to see the Grimm too if I can get the Disc in my lower back to stop sending "twinges" from shoveling that hellaciously HEAVY snow...note to Mother Nature: from now on, I'd very much appreciate snow like the LAST snowfall, nice and LIGHT, thank you very much! 
I've said it before and I'll say it again, bassist_25, you are one very intelligent young gentleman. Even the founders of this country, who revolted due to "Taxation without Representation", knew that Taxes were necessary...who ever thinks a Country can function wihout them has their head figuratively in the sand.
I'm not prying and they don't have to say yea or nay, but I can't help but wonder if rain wolf has Health Insurance? I know MANY Musicians who do not. My one friend has the concern that if something majorly Health wise happens and they have to go into the hospital, they'll lose their home, everything they own and have worked for their entire life and that just isn't right in my book...and YES, they work VERY hard every damn day of the week and pay their taxes. They love their job and the employer they've worked for, for many years does not provide insurance and they can't afford it on their own. In this, the greatest Country in the world, losing everything you own because you or a loved one falls ill...it's just not right...and it DOES happen.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, bassist_25, you are one very intelligent young gentleman. Even the founders of this country, who revolted due to "Taxation without Representation", knew that Taxes were necessary...who ever thinks a Country can function wihout them has their head figuratively in the sand.
I'm not prying and they don't have to say yea or nay, but I can't help but wonder if rain wolf has Health Insurance? I know MANY Musicians who do not. My one friend has the concern that if something majorly Health wise happens and they have to go into the hospital, they'll lose their home, everything they own and have worked for their entire life and that just isn't right in my book...and YES, they work VERY hard every damn day of the week and pay their taxes. They love their job and the employer they've worked for, for many years does not provide insurance and they can't afford it on their own. In this, the greatest Country in the world, losing everything you own because you or a loved one falls ill...it's just not right...and it DOES happen.
The Founders of this country revolted over a 3% tea tax. !!! Digest that for awhile.
The average American who pay federal taxes (over 50% of Americans do NOT pay federal taxes BTW) pay out over 50% of thier income in federal, state, local, sales, and user taxes hidden in everything you buy and use.
If we got to keep much more of our pay and income, there would more left over for charity or not, it will be OUR decision, not gov't.
When you are forced at the point of a gun to pay so much in taxes (try not to, thats where the gun comes in) people feel less of a need to be charitable.
This statistic is several years old, but I will bet it still holds up: for every $1.00 that is budgeted from taxes to the welfare system (or any system run by the government) only $0.12 (12 cents) actually get to the recepient. Where is the rest of the 88 cents. That is swallowed up in the vast beurocracy of government.
That is the reason Libertarians want and need to reduce the size of government. Sure any system needs taxes, but come on, 88% of all taxes pay just to keep a bloated beurocracy going.
Estimates are that the next generation or two will be seeing 80% tax rates if this is not stopped.
The average American who pay federal taxes (over 50% of Americans do NOT pay federal taxes BTW) pay out over 50% of thier income in federal, state, local, sales, and user taxes hidden in everything you buy and use.
If we got to keep much more of our pay and income, there would more left over for charity or not, it will be OUR decision, not gov't.
When you are forced at the point of a gun to pay so much in taxes (try not to, thats where the gun comes in) people feel less of a need to be charitable.
This statistic is several years old, but I will bet it still holds up: for every $1.00 that is budgeted from taxes to the welfare system (or any system run by the government) only $0.12 (12 cents) actually get to the recepient. Where is the rest of the 88 cents. That is swallowed up in the vast beurocracy of government.
That is the reason Libertarians want and need to reduce the size of government. Sure any system needs taxes, but come on, 88% of all taxes pay just to keep a bloated beurocracy going.
Estimates are that the next generation or two will be seeing 80% tax rates if this is not stopped.
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How did we get on catastrophes? If you’re still on that N.O. rant, you’ll just need to realize that if you build your house in a toilet bowl, you should also expect that toilet to be flushed. It didn’t work out for the Tidy Bowl Man, did it?? Besides, under the current laws of reconstruction, the Prez acted accordingly. If anything, he was in the wrong by sending in the Army and Air Force. Think of the money that we’d save by not reconstructing N.O. and deeming it inhabitable, since we know that this will happen again.YankeeRose wrote:
When a major catastrophy happens, sure, the cups runneth over, but other than when those happen, the unfortunate in society are left a swingin' in the breeze and you can take THAT to the bank! Some people have pride and "don't ask nobody for nothin', if they can't get it on their own", to paraphrase. "Pride goeth before a fall"...and many times it does. Don't be so quick to judge...unless you've walked a mile in a man or a woman's shoes, don't think every person of lesser means is out to "milk the system"...those of you that do believe that are very wrong. The reasons we invaded Iraq seem to change as fast as the days of the week...the reason we went to Afghanistan was a War on Terror and to get Osama...well, where the HELL is he? "I love my Country, but fear my Government"...the blatant deadly liars who are in firm control of this country now? Exactly. If we don't agree with them we are traitors? For saying that, they are the only true traitors and can kiss my ass! Someone mentioned "pacifism"...I think an even worse threat and something to fear even more, is complacency, being okay with the status quo and that has been rampant in this country for far too many years, now. Okay, off my soap box!
You’ve a curable case of political dementia. Get a job and get out of the hinterlands of Pennsylvania, and then you’ll finally see that there is a big picture. Settling for what is on TV and being an armchair humanist simply gives you something to talk about in an otherwise hapless existence.
The age of complacency (or false prosperity as I like to call it) is indeed behind us. That’s why we’re going after the people who f*ck with us, instead of forgetting about their efforts in hope that it won’t happen again. Pretending that there is a surplus because a President tells you that there is one, and you spending more money than what you have, would be yet another example.
China will be next… GET USED TO IT!!
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BertEvil, only 1 of my 3 children was even born in PA, I've been "out of the hinterlands", as you call our beautiful state. Have you, other than to "the big city", that is. I wasn't speaking of New Orleans. I was thinking closer to home. I do NOT suffer from "Political dementia", as you call it. I've been down and I've been up...up is most definitely better! There are times things happen to a person that they have no knowledge of before hand, or no control over. We invaded Iraq based on LIES and you say we're going after China next? Wars cost a LOT of moolah, buddy boy, let alone LIVES...are you going to volunteer? I didn't think so.
i'll believe my 'lying eyes'
my gf is from europe, and she said if she got sick, they would call the doc at 3 am, and he'd be there at 4. none of this crap where you wait until the office is open... i don't know where you got your info, but i got mine from a girl who lived in europe until she was 25... and she HATES the medical system that any poor person in this country does not have access too. anything else? 
i actually am interested in this because i am one of the 55,000,000 peeps in this country w/o health insurance...
i actually am interested in this because i am one of the 55,000,000 peeps in this country w/o health insurance...www.myspace.com/ajwolfgang
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3. Drew Bentley Trio
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Bring back the BULL MOOSE PARTY. BULLY! BULLY! BULLY!http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/tr26.html
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Paul, did you mean "safety net" instead of "base"?bassist_25 wrote:1st: You can't have a primarily capitalistic economic system without a socialist base.
The base of our system is capitalism. I shudder to think that the ones engaged in socialism are the "base" of our system. They would be at the fringes.
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Syria and Iran are next. Why do you think we started in Afghanistan and Iraq? Iran is now the object of a pincer formation. Because they fund terrorism on a more frequent basis, Syria and Iran are even more legitimate targets than Iraq.Bert|Evil wrote:China will be next… GET USED TO IT!!
You will not live long enough to see the U.S. in another land war in southeast asia.
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I'm already there (supporting the warfighter)! Unlike yourself, I can speak from experience. You see, those of us who can speak from experience differ greatly from those who form their opinion based on what they watch on TV.YankeeRose wrote: Wars cost a LOT of moolah, buddy boy, let alone LIVES...are you going to volunteer? I didn't think so.
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Good point!! I should have keystroked "China will be in the future". Besides, we are surveying Iran and Syria with UAVs as we speak.lonewolf wrote:Syria and Iran are next. Why do you think we started in Afghanistan and Iraq? Iran is now the object of a pincer formation. Because they fund terrorism on a more frequent basis, Syria and Iran are even more legitimate targets than Iraq.Bert|Evil wrote:China will be next… GET USED TO IT!!
You will not live long enough to see the U.S. in another land war in southeast asia.
Re: Conservative/Liberal Joke
Hope she found here way home?ToonaRockGuy wrote:
A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. !
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Our country was FOUNDED upon the beliefs of Adam Smith. As much as I hate to say it, we are a Socialist nation today, since Socialism is a hybrid of Capitalism and Communism.lonewolf wrote:Paul, did you mean "safety net" instead of "base"?bassist_25 wrote:1st: You can't have a primarily capitalistic economic system without a socialist base.
The base of our system is capitalism. I shudder to think that the ones engaged in socialism are the "base" of our system. They would be at the fringes.
Yeah! Sam Adams I like that beer.Bert|Evil wrote:Our country was FOUNDED upon the beliefs of Adam Smith. As much as I hate to say it, we are a Socialist nation today, since Socialism is a hybrid of Capitalism and Communism.lonewolf wrote:Paul, did you mean "safety net" instead of "base"?bassist_25 wrote:1st: You can't have a primarily capitalistic economic system without a socialist base.
The base of our system is capitalism. I shudder to think that the ones engaged in socialism are the "base" of our system. They would be at the fringes.
Re: i'll believe my 'lying eyes'
I said England, it is not the same in all European countries.rain wolf wrote:my gf is from europe, and she said if she got sick, they would call the doc at 3 am, and he'd be there at 4. none of this crap where you wait until the office is open... i don't know where you got your info, but i got mine from a girl who lived in europe until she was 25... and she HATES the medical system that any poor person in this country does not have access too. anything else?
There is not a single Emergency Room in the US of A that will not treat ANYONE who walks in. That is why so many hospitals in the Southwest are finacually crumbling. Illegals from Mexico go to these hospitals, recieve free treatment, and the hospital foots the bill. Actually we all foot the bill because insurance rates go up the cover the difference. There
There is no clause in the Constitution stating free healthcare for the people of this country.
Many companies started offering medical coverage after WW II to help attrack the workers they wanted. The workers still pay for it, because if it was not a perk offered by the company (which costs the company money) there would be a larger salary.
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Yeah, that's what I meant, but I hate the term "safety net".lonewolf wrote: Paul, did you mean "safety net" instead of "base"?
BTW: If we ever become engaged in a war with China, especially a land war, I'm going to start going to the gym so I'm flexible enough to bend my head between my legs and kiss my ass goodbye.
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Bert|Evil wrote:I'm already there (supporting the warfighter)! Unlike yourself, I can speak from experience. You see, those of us who can speak from experience differ greatly from those who form their opinion based on what they watch on TV.YankeeRose wrote: Wars cost a LOT of moolah, buddy boy, let alone LIVES...are you going to volunteer? I didn't think so.
How narrow minded and that's the typical mindless, complacent, status quo response that I've come to expect. Saying that because I don't believe we should have invaded Iraq ("Downing Street Memos"...look them up.), I don't support the Troops. You are WRONG. I just happen to believe the best way to fully support our brave Troops is to bring them home, especially the National Guard - they belong on the home front, not abroad. "Experience"? I was an "Army wife" during the 1st Gulf War and all the Soldiers I knew didn't think we belonged there, but one never saw them on TV. For this War, my friend's husband served in Baghdad and my children and I stayed with her and their children for a month...every knock at the door, she was a nervous wreck...and I know several others who have been there. I know a kid my oldest son graduated with who is there right now and my daughter knew one kid who came back dead. I believe TV is largely nothing but misinformation, unless it's changed drastically, which I seriously doubt. If we aren't already, we're very close to living "1984".