"Positive Reinforcement"

[BDR]

Johnny, what do you want? Steaks? Hamburger? Jerky? I can fix you up, just say the word ...

My favorite is canned deer meat. So tender, so juicy ... can't get that kind of enjoyment out of a brussel sprout ...

r:>)

[no surrender]

One of the folks in this conversation is a dietician, and another is a pharmaceutical rep, and neither is NS. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Also, some fat is necessary in the human diet, especially for brain function... a fact which, I think, speaks volumes about trolls.
I do appreciate the point that NS is carrying on a real conversation at this point, and wholly encourage that.
It is also a biological fact that nearly all primates are omnivorous (eat all kinds of food), a fact that makes us successful at survival, because omnivores can adapt and survive in many environments, due simply to having more opportunities to eat. As mentioned in other threads, we're currently at the top of the food chain... historically, that position changes rather frequently, so enjoy it now. My average meal always includes meat, though as a plowboy, I like my veggies, too (one look at my rather ample frame reveals my ejoyment of all food), and while I like sweets, I'd rather have steak for dinner, and for dessert... more steak.
I see nothing wrong with veganism, although I think it's extremely difficult to get a balanced diet that way. I can tell ya, it ain't for Johnny. My idea of vegetarian is to saute some green peppers and onions in my venison.
Sidebar: Can anybody hook a brutha up with some deer meat? ---->JMS

LOL You are the poster boy for nutrition ignorance. Unfortunitly for us as a nation you are in good company and have lots of competition. Just curious why would a parmcy rep no anything about nutrition? lol. dietitions can be almost as bad (hospital food anyone? LOL).

You can't eat lots of meat than think ok i eat some veggies to counteract that. don't work that way. MEAT is bad for you.. never eat it more then ONCE PER MONTH. if at all. Fish is much better but don't go overbored (lol, a little funny i made there

as for hostile places, that be burger king! LOL! seriously what a silly argument you make. you can't be serious? you must be joking. when was last time you had to eat roadkill cause you couldn't find a carrot? silly! silly!

[no surrender]

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It is also a biological fact that nearly all primates are omnivorous (eat all kinds of food), a fact that makes us successful at survival, because omnivores can adapt and survive in many environments, due simply to having more opportunities to eat. ---->JMS

Ever hear of a Gorilla? DUH He's a vegetarian. ROFL!

DoYouHaveCarrot?

[byndrsn]

LOL You are the poster boy for nutrition ignorance. Unfortunitly for us as a nation you are in good company and have lots of competition. Just curious why would a parmcy rep no anything about nutrition? lol. dietitions can be almost as bad (hospital food anyone? LOL).

You can't eat lots of meat than think ok i eat some veggies to counteract that. don't work that way. MEAT is bad for you.. never eat it more then ONCE PER MONTH. if at all. Fish is much better but don't go overbored (lol, a little funny i made there

as for hostile places, that be burger king! LOL! seriously what a silly argument you make. you can't be serious? you must be joking. when was last time you had to eat roadkill cause you couldn't find a carrot? silly! silly!

Wow, were do you get this stuff??

[Bit*chenWomen1029]

i wasnt going to post here, because this is way off topic.... but i cant resist this.

NS , ever hear of the food pyramid? not the vegan one either... the normal one?
well it says the to have a balanced diet, ALL food groups are needed.
HINT: that includes red meat.
I am sure everyone on hear will agree that yes veggies and fruit are good for you, however, Unless you have some degree in Food nutrition NO ONE CARES. they will eat what they want and you can eat what you want. You are just obviously stupid to fight over this.

I like all sorts of food, including MEAT.

Just cause you are this" HOLEY RULING VEGGIE EATER" Does not mean that everyone is going to die cause they eat meat... or have a heart attack from eating meat.
for you think such a thing you are just ignorant!

[BDR]

"I ... like ... beans." ©

r:>)

[no surrender]

i wasnt going to post here, because this is way off topic.... but i cant resist this.

NS , ever hear of the food pyramid? not the vegan one either... the normal one?
well it says the to have a balanced diet, ALL food groups are needed.
HINT: that includes red meat.
I am sure everyone on hear will agree that yes veggies and fruit are good for you, however, Unless you have some degree in Food nutrition NO ONE CARES. they will eat what they want and you can eat what you want. You are just obviously stupid to fight over this.

I like all sorts of food, including MEAT.

Just cause you are this" HOLEY RULING VEGGIE EATER" Does not mean that everyone is going to die cause they eat meat... or have a heart attack from eating meat.
for you think such a thing you are just ignorant!

EVERYONE is gulping handfuls of cholestrol lowering pills, do you think that's normal?? Why do you think so very many are needing it? Is it a vitamin? WAKE UP!

[Banned]

NS asswipe, people take 1 (that's ONE) cholesterol pill when prescribed by a physician who has a lot more training on health than you.

Did you ever hear of a condition called Familial Hypercholesteremia?? They have genes that cause them to have very high levels of cholesterol, sometimes a LDL level of 500 is NOT uncommon.

A balanced diet with veggies is reccomended, but only cholesterol medication can at least offer to help these unforunate people live a decent lifespan.

If you know anyone gulping handfuls of medication, please report the overdose to 911 soon.

[SpellboundByMetal]

i still think no surrender's comments & views are worth D I C K , because he/she/it refuses to put a face to the name. it's words are pointless and come from a field WAY beyond Left field. personally, i didnt think mental patients had computer access.

[no surrender]

NS asswipe, people take 1 (that's ONE) cholesterol pill when prescribed by a physician who has a lot more training on health than you.

Did you ever hear of a condition called Familial Hypercholesteremia?? They have genes that cause them to have very high levels of cholesterol, sometimes a LDL level of 500 is NOT uncommon.

A balanced diet with veggies is reccomended, but only cholesterol medication can at least offer to help these unforunate people live a decent lifespan.

If you know anyone gulping handfuls of medication, please report the overdose to 911 soon.

So you say cholsetrol has nothing to do with what we put in our mouths? lmao

still didn't answer the question: is it normal to need cholsetrol pills?

[no surrender]

i still think no surrender's comments & views are worth D I C K , because he/she/it refuses to put a face to the name. it's words are pointless and come from a field WAY beyond Left field. personally, i didnt think mental patients had computer access.

a face has nothing to do with FACT. Nothing at all

[SpellboundByMetal]

you hide behind your screen and talk all sorts of shit for no reason. WHY? i mean, if youre in a straightjacket, thats all you have to say. typing with your toes must suck.
you go out of your way to say things that offend people. people dont wanna be random targets of your insanity rants. you bring nothing to the table here. you dont play an instrument. you dont go to shows. you dont have any insight worth reading. It seems like your only reason being here is to disrupt the local music community. why would you want to waste the time to sneak onto one of the hospitals computers for that????

[BDR]

I sense that this thread's gonna get locked, too. Hmmm ...

r:>)

[Banned]

God created us with larger brains than any other creature. Mankind has used this greater cerebral capacity for both good and bad.

Every 10 when the national census is counted, the average lifespan of Americans goes up. Now approaching 80. In the forties and fifties, the average was only 60's. Most rational thinking scientists attribute this to the advancement of medicine, mostly advances caridiovascular diseases and cancer. (Also infections, which before simple penicillin would kill millions).

Is it normal to take advantage of advances in medicine to keep us healthy and live longer lives with our families and loved ones?? I hope to be playing and enjoying music as long as the good lord seesfit. And I believe the good lord allowed us to create medicine advances to help me and everyone do just that.

NS you are always accusing us of not accepting the truth as you see it.

Do you accept the truth of medicine or will you be like those parents who deny thier kids simple medicine and let them die. That happened right here in altoona. They are rightfully in jail now.

[no surrender]

you hide behind your screen and talk all sorts of shit for no reason. WHY? i mean, if youre in a straightjacket, thats all you have to say. typing with your toes must suck.
you go out of your way to say things that offend people. people dont wanna be random targets of your insanity rants. you bring nothing to the table here. you dont play an instrument. you dont go to shows. you dont have any insight worth reading. It seems like your only reason being here is to disrupt the local music community. why would you want to waste the time to sneak onto one of the hospitals computers for that????

bob, kind of funny but your the one going off on rants here. i ask a simple question, you rattle on and on..

i go to shows. lots of them. i go out a lot. i even reviewed (favorably)a show here.

if i am here to disrupt, as you say, why am i on so few threads? i'm on a thread or two, i even created a couple of interest to me, but basicaly most threads i've never said a word. wouldn't i jump on all these too if i wanted to do as you say? makes no cents what you claim.

why don't you answer my question? why are you so afraid to talk about this (which btw is the topic of this thread)

[no surrender]

God created us with larger brains than any other creature. Mankind has used this greater cerebral capacity for both good and bad.

Every 10 when the national census is counted, the average lifespan of Americans goes up. Now approaching 80. In the forties and fifties, the average was only 60's. Most rational thinking scientists attribute this to the advancement of medicine, mostly advances caridiovascular diseases and cancer. (Also infections, which before simple penicillin would kill millions).

Is it normal to take advantage of advances in medicine to keep us healthy and live longer lives with our families and loved ones?? I hope to be playing and enjoying music as long as the good lord seesfit. And I believe the good lord allowed us to create medicine advances to help me and everyone do just that.

NS you are always accusing us of not accepting the truth as you see it.

Do you accept the truth of medicine or will you be like those parents who deny thier kids simple medicine and let them die. That happened right here in altoona. They are rightfully in jail now.

Let me ask YOU a question: Is it normal to need to take cholestrol pills? Is cholestrol pill a vitamin?

[nakedtwister]

why don't you answer my question? why are you so afraid to talk about this (which btw is the topic of this thread)

Topic Headline! "Positive Reinforcement "

[lonewolf]

Here are a few facts:

1) There are 22 amino acids that make up protein, but your body can only synthesize 13 of them. The other 9 must be ingested thru your diet or your muscles will break down and you will rot and die.

2) Fish, meat and whole dairy products have "complete" proteins, containing all the amino acids required for human life. No individual vegetable contains all 9 of these amino acids, so vegan diets must be carefully planned to compensate for this unnatural food intake.

3) In the animal kingdom, a high protein diet is necessary for the evolution of a large brain relative to body size. Humans evolved as meat-eating omnivores or we would still be draggin our knuckles like our vegan gorilla cousins.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with red meat. A person needs to know that its laced with fat fibers and act accordingly. Unfortunately, the "better" cuts are the ones that contain the most fat. Generally, the higher the price, the higher the fat content. Like anything else, too much of anything is bad for you.

On the other hand, a pure vegan diet can be extremely hazardous to one's health if its not done properly.

Just some sobering thoughts to break up your day.

[no surrender]

Here are a few facts:

1) There are 22 amino acids that make up protein, but your body can only synthesize 13 of them. The other 9 must be ingested thru your diet or your muscles will break down and you will rot and die.

2) Fish, meat and whole dairy products have "complete" proteins, containing all the amino acids required for human life. No individual vegetable contains all 9 of these amino acids, so vegan diets must be carefully planned to compensate for this unnatural food intake.

3) In the animal kingdom, a high protein diet is necessary for the evolution of a large brain relative to body size. Humans evolved as meat-eating omnivores or we would still be draggin our knuckles like our vegan gorilla cousins.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with red meat. A person needs to know that its laced with fat fibers and act accordingly. Unfortunately, the "better" cuts are the ones that contain the most fat. Generally, the higher the price, the higher the fat content. Like anything else, too much of anything is bad for you.

On the other hand, a pure vegan diet can be extremely hazardous to one's health if its not done properly.

Just some sobering thoughts to break up your day.

1)true

2)false. plants contain ALL the necesary amino acids. no "special" planning is necessary .. just eat a variety. no one here is saying just eat carrots. eat a variety of plants. add little fish.. you don't need any meat at all. actually your much healthier without the meat.

3)wrong.plants contain plenty of protein on there own. too much protein is not good for you. animal protein has to much fat and cholestrol is only found in animals, not any in plants at all. meat raises cholestrol, plants lower it. FACT!

if vegan diet is so bad why do vegans live longer? they DO you know! another FACT your unaware of i guess. nice try but no cigar

[songsmith]

To go back a few posts... gorillas are omnivores... they can and do eat meat, including one another.

NS, you were doing really well there for a few posts, what happened? Also, you spelling and syntax improved drastically, what's up with that? Somebody posting on your account?
I'd trust the dietitian. Hospital food sucks because it has to take into account patients needs while they are in the hospital. I hated being on a jello diet when I was there after a car-crash, but there was a danger of seizures, and regurgitating solid food could have choked me to death. Also it's a hospital, not a hotel... my wife's a nurse, who hates how people think it's supposed to be easy.
The pharm rep doesn't know diet and nutrition... he knows statin drugs (cholesterol flushers)... I'd believe him, too.
True, cholesterol pills are not a solution. On the other hand, would you deny someone with diabetes an insulin shot because they didn't practice a good diet?
I'm okay with you being a vegan. You do your thing, I'll do mine. However, anyone who tells me I'm WRONG because I don't subscribe to their lifestyle is, well, what was that word you called me?... Oh, yeah, ignorant. If you said you're gay, I'd be okay with that, but busting my chops because I like girls, or insisting that butt-pounding is BETTER somehow... well, two words: IG NERNT.

BD Rob: Canned is my favorite venison, too. It gets the tallow to rise to the top, where it can be skimmed off, cutting down on that pasty taste that turns a lot of people off. Saute in olive oil, adding the sliced onion and green peppers later so that the onions just barely have time to caramelize and still have a little crunch, slap a big pile of that on a seeded bun or potatoe roll... oh, man, I just drooled. ------->JMS

[lonewolf]

1)true

2)false. plants contain ALL the necesary amino acids. no "special" planning is necessary .. just eat a variety. no one here is saying just eat carrots. eat a variety of plants. add little fish.. you don't need any meat at all. actually your much healthier without the meat.

3)wrong.plants contain plenty of protein on there own. too much protein is not good for you. animal protein has to much fat and cholestrol is only found in animals, not any in plants at all. meat raises cholestrol, plants lower it. FACT!

if vegan diet is so bad why do vegans live longer? they DO you know! another FACT your unaware of i guess. nice try but no cigar

Don't be making shit up now. There are no plants that contain all 9 of the required amino acids. Yes, you must eat a variety, but you have to eat the correct variety or you won't get all 9 amino acids.

Fish is not a part of a pure vegan diet, but it certainly would provide the necessary protein.

#3 is a proven fact that humans could not have evolved on a purely vegan diet because the protein intake is too inefficient.

[Banned]

The avacado contains fats. FACT Oh no, NSswipe wrong again.

[Mikey Wax]

"I ... like ... beans." ©

r:>)

Ever have Beans and Weenies?


My personal favorite. Has to be Bush's beans though.

[no surrender]

To go back a few posts... gorillas are omnivores... they can and do eat meat, including one another.

NS, you were doing really well there for a few posts, what happened? Also, you spelling and syntax improved drastically, what's up with that? Somebody posting on your account?
I'd trust the dietitian. Hospital food sucks because it has to take into account patients needs while they are in the hospital. I hated being on a jello diet when I was there after a car-crash, but there was a danger of seizures, and regurgitating solid food could have choked me to death. Also it's a hospital, not a hotel... my wife's a nurse, who hates how people think it's supposed to be easy.
The pharm rep doesn't know diet and nutrition... he knows statin drugs (cholesterol flushers)... I'd believe him, too.
True, cholesterol pills are not a solution. On the other hand, would you deny someone with diabetes an insulin shot because they didn't practice a good diet?
I'm okay with you being a vegan. You do your thing, I'll do mine. However, anyone who tells me I'm WRONG because I don't subscribe to their lifestyle is, well, what was that word you called me?... Oh, yeah, ignorant. If you said you're gay, I'd be okay with that, but busting my chops because I like girls, or insisting that butt-pounding is BETTER somehow... well, two words: IG NERNT.

BD Rob: Canned is my favorite venison, too. It gets the tallow to rise to the top, where it can be skimmed off, cutting down on that pasty taste that turns a lot of people off. Saute in olive oil, adding the sliced onion and green peppers later so that the onions just barely have time to caramelize and still have a little crunch, slap a big pile of that on a seeded bun or potatoe roll... oh, man, I just drooled. ------->JMS

wow a nice reply i guess i should ask you what happened lol.

your suffering from some bad comparisons here. yes, your wrong because YOUR lifestyle (diet) promotes disease compared to mine, so, YES, i'd say that's wrong. diet with meat have more disease, that;s a fact. the more meat the more disease. another fact. and not just of the heart. you mentioned diabtes.. good one! there are others! your comments are ignorant of the facts, nothing personal. you have a right to eat wrong, true, but i will CORRECT you when you say it here.

check out my linkages than come back and lets see what you say than.

[no surrender]

1)true

2)false. plants contain ALL the necesary amino acids. no "special" planning is necessary .. just eat a variety. no one here is saying just eat carrots. eat a variety of plants. add little fish.. you don't need any meat at all. actually your much healthier without the meat.

3)wrong.plants contain plenty of protein on there own. too much protein is not good for you. animal protein has to much fat and cholestrol is only found in animals, not any in plants at all. meat raises cholestrol, plants lower it. FACT!

if vegan diet is so bad why do vegans live longer? they DO you know! another FACT your unaware of i guess. nice try but no cigar

Don't be making shit up now. There are no plants that contain all 9 of the required amino acids. Yes, you must eat a variety, but you have to eat the correct variety or you won't get all 9 amino acids.

Fish is not a part of a pure vegan diet, but it certainly would provide the necessary protein.

#3 is a proven fact that humans could not have evolved on a purely vegan diet because the protein intake is too inefficient.

i know where you learned this.. in high school health class. i know because i learned that too but it's wrong. Plants have ALL the necessary acids .. every one of them. get up to date! plants are healthier.. you guys are loosing!