"Positive Reinforcement"

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Wednesday Dec 07, 2005

That is what a person needs from friends and loved ones and even strangers when they are recovering, not some warped "truth". I'm certain John's Mild Heart Attack was "truth" enough and I'd wager that his Physicians and other Health Care Professionals are giving him what ever "truth" he needs. Instead of "Positive Reinforcement" and any Positive Vibe of any sort, there are certain kinds of people who instead do just the opposite and we all know who that person is on here. Many, including I, have tried, time and again, to give this person the benefit of the doubt, but all they have done from the very beginning is disrupt the Harmony on RockPage. Things may seem "okay" for a little while, we can ignore them, but then WHAM, they take something like the wonderful news of someone's Positive recovery and inject their twisted "truth" into it, causing a bad Vibe. The fact we were all called Excrement over a tune they liked in another Thread, that alone should be grounds for Banning, but I didn't care, I figured "consider the source". The figurative disrupting of someone's Positive recovery? Yeah, that I care about, as do MANY more and I hope they haven't changed their minds.

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Wednesday Dec 07, 2005

the docs will do there job. stains, blood thinners and haff dozen other "truths". thank god for mediical science [and dings, right?]. you can half your cake and eat it too, right/ good luck all ye who enter these hallowed grounds. i hope he does well on all. i really do. the docs will do there job. nothing less, but sadly nothing more

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

Stop it. We were warned, now stop it.--------->JMS

Mikey Wax · Post by **Mikey Wax** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

I don't understand why you even reply. You basically just dedicated this trool an entire post. Isn't that what EVERYONE here says, every other post, that we shouldn't do. Just stop. No wonder he keeps bashing you.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

A local businessman had a heart attack early on in his life. He needed bypass surgery. This man does not eat meat or any kind of fatty foods at all . He probably has the most healthy diet of anyone I know. He is a runner, cyclist, and swims about 1 mile every day. (try it , that's a LOT of laps in the pool) He competes in local triathalons.

the point is he still had a heart attack at an early age (by medical stadards usually means before age 50 for men, 60 for women).

Even with the most healthy lifestyle this mans leads he still has a very high LDL (that's the bad cholesterol). That is why the number one prescribed medication in the US of A is a statin (NS try a dictionary for once) called Lipitor.

If a doctor tells a patient that he needs his cholesterol numbers down, the first thing reccomeded by the NCEP guidelines accepted by the National Heart and Blood Instuture is lifestyle changes (excercise, diet, quitting smoking). If a man has a LDL of say 160 (a not uncommon number for a middle aged man), if he does a complete life style change, becomes totally vegan....it will only lower the number by 5 to 10%. That will take it to 144. Now the doctor says the LDL needs to be under 70 according to the latest guideline reccomendations (for high risk patients based on risk factors like age, sex, diabetes, family history...).

Thank medical science that there are medicines like statins that will bring his LDL down to the level that will significantly lower his risk factors, dispite all the lifestyle changes that a patient can do. It IS called heridity.

Many medical conditions are heredity in nature. For example if a woman has a mother and an aunt say who had breast cancer, she has a 50% greater chance of developing breast cancer. It is sad, but a fact of life that we are products of our genes.

So you slimy skank, NS, leave your juvenile judgements to yourself. If you do really go out and support and enjoy local music like you say, you would never have accused the guitar player we are talking about if being guilty of eating to many 'dings.' As a matter of fact, he has been on the local access channel just recently with one of his bands, and he is anything but an overweight man. But you just had to blame someone you do not know. You just can't avoid the slimy gutter can you?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

I agree Mike,

Our band, and friends and family of John are the most affected here.
Thanks to all who support John and our band. It's time for the bickering to end! Please stop everyone!

Thank you JP for monitoring things while Ron is inabscentia. (And for the
lock).

We all need to be more civil toward each other!

Mikey Wax · Post by **Mikey Wax** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

skippisode wrote:Our band, and friends and family of John are the most affected here. Thanks to all who support John and our band. It's time for the bickering to end! Please stop everyone!

Right on.

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

I wish him well, I really do. All I'm saying is the cause of heart condition is within your control in most cases. It's important for him and everyone else to realize this. Don't be so quick to shrug it all off on bad genes.

Do a little reading here:

http://www.pritikin.com/eperspective/05 ... erol.shtml

Again, I wish him well soon

plumcrazy · Post by **plumcrazy** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

Your disgusting negative attitude towards everyone on here is within your control as well.

Guess you have bad genes too huh?

ZappasXWife · Post by **ZappasXWife** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

undercover joe and I know more about medicine and heart disease than you do nsurrender, TRUST ME on this one. Didn't look at your website ns, don't have to. Pritikin sells diet merchandise. I agree with Mikey Wax, YR, why do you insist on baiting her....holy shit...

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

no surrender wrote: you can half your cake and eat it too

Mmmmm. Can I have the other half? I'm hungry.

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

ZappasXWife wrote:undercover joe and I know more about medicine and heart disease than you do nsurrender, TRUST ME on this one. Didn't look at your website ns, don't have to. Pritikin sells diet merchandise. I agree with Mikey Wax, YR, why do you insist on baiting her....holy shit...

No, I DON'T trust your judgement on this because of the stupid things you are saying now.

The link I posted is too great information including research studies of thousands.

That you won't even look at it says lots about your "judgement"/

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

plumcrazy wrote:Your disgusting negative attitude towards everyone on here is within your control as well.

Guess you have bad genes too huh?

am i calling you names? am am i flaming you? why can't you carry on a civil conversation?

DMFJ03 · Post by **DMFJ03** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

Who has beans?

ZappasXWife · Post by **ZappasXWife** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

That you won't even look at it says lots about your "judgement"/

actually I would read it all if I had time (really, I'm not kidding, I would). I am busy here at work doing and writing up the kind of research you are reading about. And, I really want to know, what is a ding? Not hip to your jargon...I feel dumb.

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

ZappasXWife wrote:
That you won't even look at it says lots about your "judgement"/
actually I would read it all if I had time (really, I'm not kidding, I would). I am busy here at work doing and writing up the kind of research you are reading about. And, I really want to know, what is a ding? Not hip to your jargon...I feel dumb.

i sense a attitude ajustment that is good. you must no low fat is THE way to go here. are you a doctor?a ding is a wing ding,their called dings by the afectianadoes.

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

ps In case you are wonderiung I'm a vegetarian.. someone who eats healthy plants only

ZappasXWife · Post by **ZappasXWife** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

no change in attitude...I was being facetious

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

ZappasXWife wrote:no change in attitude...I was being facetious

ok but there is nothing funny about any of this is there?

ps i am a vegetarian for health reasons mostly although i do feel sorry for the dead animals

byndrsn · Post by **byndrsn** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

no surrender wrote:
ZappasXWife wrote:no change in attitude...I was being facetious
ok but there is nothing funny about any of this is there?

ps i am a vegetarian for health reasons mostly although i do feel sorry for the dead animals

Wow, You and I are opposites No Surrender!!!!!!! I don't eat ANY vegetables!!! Or Fruits!!!!

What is the opposite of vegetarian??

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

CARNIVORE.

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

ZappasXWife wrote:undercover joe and I know more about medicine and heart disease than you do nsurrender, TRUST ME on this one. Didn't look at your website ns, don't have to. Pritikin sells diet merchandise. I agree with Mikey Wax, YR, why do you insist on baiting her....holy shit...

"Baiting"? Nothing could be further from the truth. I made a statement and again, the Troll was true to form. Don't worry, I'm done and I'm back to doing my damnedest to ignore the Troll. When Ron gets back, I sincerely hope, as many others do, that the Troll is banned, as I'm sickened with it's disturbing, absolutely HORRIBLE EN_ER_GY. While it's true many of us don't always get along on here, we agree to disagree and can Peacefuly co-exist. Plus, we know one another - many of us have met in real life and have a lot of fun together! If we haven't met yet, many of us will, eventually. Whether regarding John or anyone else's Health and wishing them well, in my estimation, there should be no "buts" about it, EVER! Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

byndrsn · Post by **byndrsn** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

ToonaRockGuy wrote:CARNIVORE.

Yeah!! That's it - I'm a Carnivore!!!! Thanks!!!!

mmmmmm, now I'm hungry - I think a rare steak (with melted butter on top) is just the ticket for tonight.

Victor Synn · Post by **Victor Synn** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

byndrsn wrote:
no surrender wrote:
ZappasXWife wrote:no change in attitude...I was being facetious
ok but there is nothing funny about any of this is there?

ps i am a vegetarian for health reasons mostly although i do feel sorry for the dead animals
Wow, You and I are opposites No Surrender!!!!!!! I don't eat ANY vegetables!!! Or Fruits!!!!

What is the opposite of vegetarian??

Our roadie Haywood Jablome.

I wonder if the two of you are related somehow?

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005

byndrsn wrote:
no surrender wrote:
ZappasXWife wrote:no change in attitude...I was being facetious
ok but there is nothing funny about any of this is there?

ps i am a vegetarian for health reasons mostly although i do feel sorry for the dead animals
Wow, You and I are opposites No Surrender!!!!!!! I don't eat ANY vegetables!!! Or Fruits!!!!

What is the opposite of vegetarian??

i hope your just being facetous here too. fruits and veggies (lots of them) very important to keep you healthy. too much meat is very very bad.actually ANY meat is fish is better,meat is not necesary at all for us.wedo much better on plants and maybe little fish keep the sat fats very low and espesially the trans fats to noone if you can.i eat NO pasties,doughnuts or stuff like thatthats where trans fats are located.

so eat lots and lots of veggies and fruits and keep bad fat low!

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