The Kinks

[Banned]

Are the Kinks the original Punk Rock band?

[bassist_25]

They very well could be! Though The Who had a large part in forming the foundation of Punk.

[no surrender]

SID VICIOUS whas ..

THE


ORIGINAL PUNK MASTER! DUH! HAHA!

HE WAS DA MAIN MANG!!

SID could kik all yer pussy azzes HA!

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[YankeeRose]

They very well could be! Though The Who had a large part in forming the foundation of Punk.

The Who may have had a large part in laying a "foundation", but IMHO, The Kinks were the "Contractors". The Sex Pistols were Grunge Punk Rock to me, if there even is such a thing...well, there is NOW!

[FretBored]

Reasearch:

Just two years after the Beatles hit America (1966), Iggy Pop decided to form a band that would be completely unlike anything that anyone had ever heard. Iggy formed the Stooges in Detroit, Michigan, with friends who could barely play their instruments. They had very little musical knowledge to interfere with the ideas that they had.

Their 1968 performances consisted of an aural background for Iggy's body contortions, self mutilation, dives into the audience, and screamed insults at those who had come only to be entertained, not to be involved in the show. The Stooges' extreme bizzareness did not make them popular like the Doors', whose antics they pre-dated. As a Neanderthal version of the Velvet Underground, the band managed to achieve the distinction of the first true influence on punk.

Source: http://www.inmusicwetrust.com/articles/08f04.html

[ToonaRockGuy]

If you really want to examine punk music and decide who "started" it, then you have to begin with a definition of punk music, and where it started...

From Wikipedia: "The phrase "punk rock" (from "punk", meaning worthless or snotty, often applied to a street hustler or a young person who is disrespectful of authority, or disaffected youth; also meaning a beginner or novice [1]) was originally applied to the untutored guitar-and-vocals-based rock and roll of United States bands of the mid-1960s such as The Standells, The Sonics, and The Seeds, bands that now are more often categorized as "garage rock".

The term was coined by rock critic Dave Marsh, who used it to describe the music of ? and the Mysterians in the May 1971 issue of Creem magazine, and it was adopted by many rock music journalists in the early 1970s. For example, in the liner notes of the 1972 anthology album Nuggets, critic and guitarist Lenny Kaye uses the term "punk-rock" to refer to the Sixties "garage rock" groups, as well as some of the darker and more primitive practitioners of 1960s psychedelia. Shortly after the time of those notes, Lenny Kaye formed a band with avant-garde poet Patti Smith. Smith's group, and her first album, Horses, released in 1975, directly inspired many of the mid-1970s punk rockers, so this suggests one path by which the term migrated to the music we now know as punk.

In addition to the inspiration of those "garage bands" of the 1960s, the roots of punk rock draw on the abrasive, dissonant style of The Velvet Underground; the snotty attitude and aggressive instrumentation of The Who and the early Rolling Stones; the sexually and politically confrontational Detroit bands The Stooges and MC5; the UK pub rock scene and political UK underground bands such as Mick Farren and the Deviants; the New York Dolls, and some British "glam rock" or "art rock" acts of the early 1970s, including David Bowie, Gary Glitter and Roxy Music.

Punk rock was also a reaction against certain tendencies that had overtaken popular music in the 1970s, including what the punks saw as superficial "disco" music and grandiose forms of heavy metal, progressive rock and "arena rock." Punk also rejected the remnants of the hippie counterculture of the 1960s. Bands such as Jefferson Airplane, which had survived the 1960s, were regarded by most punks as having become fatuous and an embarrassment to their former claims of radicality. Eric Clapton's appearance in television beer ads in the mid-1970s was often cited as an example of how the icons of 1960s rock had literally sold themselves to the system they once opposed."
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So, if you decide to read into the above and really look at it in the broad context of the above, the first REAL punk rock band was Bill Haley & The Comets, who are acknowledged as bringing rock and roll to the masses with "Rock Around The Clock" in 1954. Parents were never the same after that. Haley caused widespread panic for bringing rebel music to the masses.

Just my opinion, though.

[Banned]

So, if you decide to read into the above and really look at it in the broad context of the above, the first REAL punk rock band was Bill Haley & The Comets, who are acknowledged as bringing rock and roll to the masses with "Rock Around The Clock" in 1954. Parents were never the same after that. Haley caused widespread panic for bringing rebel music to the masses.

You're on to something there, Kev. After all, the Ramones were very intentionally retro 50s, both in their look and stripped-down sound. Then there's the golden rule of punk rock lead guitar: if it's not a Chuck Berry lick, don't play it. And there's the long-running cross-pollination between rockabilly and punk; even the Misfits dabbled in rockabilly.

Next question: are Blind Jonny Death punk? I'd say "yes" as a fan and mean it as a compliment, but maybe I should let them answer for themselves.

[the herald]

good point about the comets BUT...if we go back even further rock and roll or rockabilly stemmed from the blues and the blues from africa and.....well you get the point but the kinks definitely defined themselves as an early rebel rock band with sort of a beatles/stones flavor.

[moxham123]

As far as an early punk band, does anybody remember a band from Detroit called MC5, which stood for Motor City 5?

[Jim Price]

moxham123 wrote:

As far as an early punk band, does anybody remember a band from Detroit called MC5, which stood for Motor City 5?

"KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER F**KERS!!!"

(or)

"KICK OUT THE JAMS, BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!" (radio-friendly version)

[YankeeRose]

Bill Haley and The Comets, "Punk Rock"? (My daddy was an early Punk Rocker and didn't even know it! ) The Kinks were Inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1990...that's the Thread that started the entire discussion, after all. The Davies
Brothers started The Kinks in 1963 (1 year after the Rolling Stones started), are "anti-trendsetters" and give a self description as "outsiders"...they are also verrry anti-establishment to me, a big Punk definer, IMO, any way.
Again, IMO, it's easy to simply be, and/or remain a rowdy bunch of filthy, drugged-out assholes...(IF they survive.)...the "Grunge" aspect of many Punkers. "God Save The Kinks!" They will always be the 1st Punk Rockers to me, even though one of my fav tunes of theirs, albeit from years later, "Come Dancing", a wistful one for me at times, is hardly "Punk". Although, it does speak of progress knocking down the "Pally" and the sister now "living on an Estate". 'Eh, maybe it is a tad Punk, after all.

[ZappasXWife]

SID VICIOUS whas ..

THE


ORIGINAL PUNK MASTER! DUH! HAHA!

HE WAS DA MAIN MANG!!

SID could kik all yer pussy azzes HA!

Sid Vicious was an asshole and everyone knows he couldn't play bass to save his life. And punk attitude? Yea, I guess MURDERING your girlfriend takes some bad attitude. The fact that Sid Vicious is your MAIN MANG (what is that??) says a lot about where your head is. The guy had nothing, and the sex pistols would have been better off without him. Maybe they would even still be making music.

[Plastered Bastards]

Vicious was an ornament for a band that sucked anyhow.But my vote goes with Jim.The MC5 were the shit.

[Banned]

I knew if I asked a question about the origins of Punk Rock I would get a virtual education form the intelligence contained within Rockpage. Thank you all (excepting the troll of course).