Another Reason Why Hip-Hop Sucks

[ToonaRockGuy]

By now I'm sure that everyone heard about the big "rap" concert that was supposed to take place at Classic Attitudes last night featuring Mike Jones and Paul Wall.

Word is that the promoter who set up the show came around on Tuesday, collected the pre-sale ticket money, and split town. When show time rolled around, the entire concert was a no-show. A local DJ got a call from a buddy in Vegas that the rap concert participants were in VEGAS for an after-party. Word also is that this happend with the same "crew" and promoter in Pittsburgh not too long ago.

HA.

Discuss.

[Banned]

I dunno Kev. The whole "party in Vegas while getting paid for a gig in Altoona" thing doesn't sound so bad to me. Maybe they decided that it wasn't worth the trouble to load and unload all the gear. Oops, did I just say that?

[ChaosRisingRice]

WHO MIKE JONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL

You wanna know another reason why rap sucks. Try Kevin Federline. Yup thats right Britneys Spears's husband. Down here in maryland they played 5 seconds of it on the radio and everyone is laughing and just letting loose on how bad he sucks. The real funny thing is. Britney herself told him after she laughed that it sucks. NOw that is funny

[Mackovyak]

It really doesn't surprise me, however It's amazing that they can get away with that. Someone wil have to be held liable, but who's duty is it......

The Promoter? (He can just say he was doing his job...BUT, he collected the money)

The Booking Agent? (He can assume he only handles bookings and was never really contacted)

The Star? (What if he was never really notified).


It looks to me like the Promoter is the one giving the screws. However, it brings me to a different idea about hip hop? Do these stars really give a shit about putting out something good? I mean really.

The attitude I get is that no. They DESERVE to be stars because they had a rough life growing up in the hood. Please. I'm not saying this about all rappers or Hip hoppers, but when I worked at Otherword, Ludacris came in to work on some tracks that were later transferred. I was the engineer for the session and I've never met a bunch of people that took NONE OF IT SERIOUSLY. I think in 5 hours they maybe had one useable take with it's ad-lib.

It's like So and So got lucky, I'm making a record now b/c I'm his BOYEEEEE and my producer made the beats, and you should buy it b/c I had a rough life. If I don't show for a concert. Oh well, I'm a star now.

Are you kidding me? What really did they do to earn anything.

I had more respect for the kids that used to come in the studio, from Palm Beach, with rich parents. They may have had better lives and gotten the chance to take music lessons, but at least they were out there practicing, playing in front of a crowd, promoting, SHOWING UP, CARRYING IN THEIR EQUIPMENT, and took the sessions somewhat seriously.

Eh.

I shouldn't say that about everyone though. I worked with a promoter named Haiti from D.D.P. Productions out of Miami and he ran a tight ship. Studio time on schedule, LESS drug and alcohol use. (1 drink until after you cut your primary vocal track), and made everyone quiet when it was time to listen.

Ok....sorry about that.

[Banned]

I think in 5 hours they maybe had one useable take with it's ad-lib.

Reminds me of the Dave Chappelle skit about the rapper whose records are nothing but studio chatter. "Turn up the headphones. I can't hear the headphones."

Good tales from the trenches, Mack.

[Bit*chenWomen1029]

ok im not saying too much but, why would anyone in their right minds think that some one who made a record/cd whatever would come to ALTOONA to play?
plus they all paid 35.00 a person to see them!!

DUMBASS"S, go to another local bar and see local music for 3.00 cover!!!!

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

this is what is sick about society - these theives as "musicians/rapper/stars", take advantage of impressionable young minds - filling young kids with bullshit propaganda about a hard life on the streets, where they almost died 10 times a day from gun fire, and all that shit - convince these kids that intentional butchering of the englisch language is not only accepted, but it's an art - they teach these kids that it's ok to cheat, ok to steal, ok to degrade women, ok to worry more about the material things in life - they teach kids absolutely nothing of personal or civic responsibility and we allow the kids to get filled with this. I mean jesus christ, Jim Jones had absolutely nothing of Puff Daddy..

its a sad state of affairs when the situation if 50. Cent told kids it was cool to stop breathing, roughly 94 percent of all american teenagers would have suffocated themselves in 25 minutes. Just because they see a guy flashing 100 dollar bills, driving a car thats more distracting than 3 naked french whores on 5th avenue and surrounding themselves in half naked women degrading them and constantly grabbing their asses, or grabbing their own crotches and pulling - this is pathetic and it's time to stop it.

you'd think the story of 50 cent being shot 9 times in his life, the story of tupac being shot like 2 or 3 other times before he was killed, and all the rap killings would teach these kids something - these people aren't role models.. they're criminals, they're murderers, they're rapists, they're drug dealers - they're the scum of the earth and they are the primary reason why American children tested in an international study scored on the same level as Latvia.. Latvia..

im off my soapbox

[Bit*chenWomen1029]

this is what is sick about society - these theives as "musicians/rapper/stars", take advantage of impressionable young minds - filling young kids with bullshit propaganda about a hard life on the streets, where they almost died 10 times a day from gun fire, and all that shit - convince these kids that intentional butchering of the englisch language is not only accepted, but it's an art - they teach these kids that it's ok to cheat, ok to steal, ok to degrade women, ok to worry more about the material things in life - they teach kids absolutely nothing of personal or civic responsibility and we allow the kids to get filled with this. I mean jesus christ, Jim Jones had absolutely nothing of Puff Daddy..

its a sad state of affairs when the situation if 50. Cent told kids it was cool to stop breathing, roughly 94 percent of all american teenagers would have suffocated themselves in 25 minutes. Just because they see a guy flashing 100 dollar bills, driving a car thats more distracting than 3 naked french whores on 5th avenue and surrounding themselves in half naked women degrading them and constantly grabbing their asses, or grabbing their own crotches and pulling - this is pathetic and it's time to stop it.

you'd think the story of 50 cent being shot 9 times in his life, the story of tupac being shot like 2 or 3 other times before he was killed, and all the rap killings would teach these kids something - these people aren't role models.. they're criminals, they're murderers, they're rapists, they're drug dealers - they're the scum of the earth and they are the primary reason why American children tested in an international study scored on the same level as Latvia.. Latvia..

im off my soapbox

OMG , i think this is one of the smartest things i have ever heard you say...(no offense)..... Good wording too!!!

[SpellboundByMetal]

i fucking HATE rap and hip hop. if you like it, thats fine...but dont expect me to EVER have a breakthough or eye opening experiance with it. when i hear rap, i have to take a shit. shitting and hip hop go hand in hand.

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

i fucking HATE rap and hip hop. if you like it, thats fine...but dont expect me to EVER have a breakthough or eye opening experiance with it. when i hear rap, i have to take a shit. shitting and hip hop go hand in hand.

AMEN!

[FatVin]

In all fairness, who said these guys have anything to do with the rappers at all...they did right?

This is an old scam, it was done in the name of a lot of bands, It was done using the beatles name in '67 and 74. Hell I've even heard of bars paying for and promoting a Doors reunion concert tour (with all the original members) in 1980 (wait for it, you'll get it) (it happened in Merced CA, I swear to God, I know someobdy who worked at the bar in question back then, the dumbass owner, knew Jack about music but saw $$$$ in his eyes and .....greedy people make the best con victims)

They came in sold the venue a bill of goods, collected the advance ticket money and skeedadilded. The Rappers probably don't even know they were booked. word is these guys collected something like 5 grand....shame huh

[edgecrush2003]

Keep Hip-hop out of rockpage. Topic shot down

[Punkinhead]

Keep Hip-hop out of rockpage. Topic shot down

That should be a shirt man...

[RAM Z]

I'd buy one!!

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

ill design it in an hour when i get to work. i think we could make money with it hahaha

[bassist_25]

this is what is sick about society - these theives as "musicians/rapper/stars", take advantage of impressionable young minds - filling young kids with bullshit propaganda about a hard life on the streets, where they almost died 10 times a day from gun fire, and all that shit - convince these kids that intentional butchering of the englisch language is not only accepted, but it's an art - they teach these kids that it's ok to cheat, ok to steal, ok to degrade women, ok to worry more about the material things in life - they teach kids absolutely nothing of personal or civic responsibility and we allow the kids to get filled with this. I mean jesus christ, Jim Jones had absolutely nothing of Puff Daddy..

its a sad state of affairs when the situation if 50. Cent told kids it was cool to stop breathing, roughly 94 percent of all american teenagers would have suffocated themselves in 25 minutes. Just because they see a guy flashing 100 dollar bills, driving a car thats more distracting than 3 naked french whores on 5th avenue and surrounding themselves in half naked women degrading them and constantly grabbing their asses, or grabbing their own crotches and pulling - this is pathetic and it's time to stop it.

you'd think the story of 50 cent being shot 9 times in his life, the story of tupac being shot like 2 or 3 other times before he was killed, and all the rap killings would teach these kids something - these people aren't role models.. they're criminals, they're murderers, they're rapists, they're drug dealers - they're the scum of the earth and they are the primary reason why American children tested in an international study scored on the same level as Latvia.. Latvia..

im off my soapbox

While I'm not a huge fan of hip-hop, all of these same arguments can be applied to Rock music . Degrade women? Listen to just about any Rock album from 1984 to 1992. Butcher the English language? Listen to all of the double-negatives, aint's, incorrected usage of subjuntive clauses (was when it should be were) that populate varying styles of music. Talent? Well, Rock musicians aren't the most skills people on the continuum of talent when compared to Classical Musicians and Jazz Musicians (and many of them consider Rock garbage). Elitist musical arguments usually don't hold much water.

[Ronnyd]

Remember children You can't spell crap without Rap

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

Remember children You can't spell crap without Rap

Curt Hennig sang that in a song about rap i believe.. one of very few country music style of songs i could tolerate because it made me laugh hysterically for like 10 minutes.. i wish i still had that song..

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

this is what is sick about society - these theives as "musicians/rapper/stars", take advantage of impressionable young minds - filling young kids with bullshit propaganda about a hard life on the streets, where they almost died 10 times a day from gun fire, and all that shit - convince these kids that intentional butchering of the englisch language is not only accepted, but it's an art - they teach these kids that it's ok to cheat, ok to steal, ok to degrade women, ok to worry more about the material things in life - they teach kids absolutely nothing of personal or civic responsibility and we allow the kids to get filled with this. I mean jesus christ, Jim Jones had absolutely nothing of Puff Daddy..

its a sad state of affairs when the situation if 50. Cent told kids it was cool to stop breathing, roughly 94 percent of all american teenagers would have suffocated themselves in 25 minutes. Just because they see a guy flashing 100 dollar bills, driving a car thats more distracting than 3 naked french whores on 5th avenue and surrounding themselves in half naked women degrading them and constantly grabbing their asses, or grabbing their own crotches and pulling - this is pathetic and it's time to stop it.

you'd think the story of 50 cent being shot 9 times in his life, the story of tupac being shot like 2 or 3 other times before he was killed, and all the rap killings would teach these kids something - these people aren't role models.. they're criminals, they're murderers, they're rapists, they're drug dealers - they're the scum of the earth and they are the primary reason why American children tested in an international study scored on the same level as Latvia.. Latvia..

im off my soapbox

While I'm not a huge fan of hip-hop, all of these same arguments can be applied to Rock music . Degrade women? Listen to just about any Rock album from 1984 to 1992. Butcher the English language? Listen to all of the double-negatives, aint's, incorrected usage of subjuntive clauses (was when it should be were) that populate varying styles of music. Talent? Well, Rock musicians aren't the most skills people on the continuum of talent when compared to Classical Musicians and Jazz Musicians (and many of them consider Rock garbage). Elitist musical arguments usually don't hold much water.

You carry a very valid point - I can respect that, but I dont think 80s rock songs degraded women to the extent that current day rap does - it may with the lyrical content, but in this day and age where a rapper is singing "im gonna watch that bitch shake her ass all nite" and then on the video while he's singing that - he's got a 100 dollar bill and a woman is shaking her ass in his face - i think thats where the line is drawn. I also think this music has forced many a woman to believe that this is her place in contemporary america - that she is supposed to be like this, which we all know - is bullshit.

By butchering of the englisch language - you got me on a technicality lol - yeah all forms of music butcher the englisch language, but hip hop and rap is the worst. I myself (as somebody who speaks Englisch, German and some slovak), and I know alot of others prolly feel the same way.. I would rather listen to some Tommy Lee singing "we was drunk" or something to that effect - i'd still rather hear that then hear snoop dog saying "it's off the hizzle fo shizzle, dizzle" - ok - 7 words in that sentence, 3 aren't even words. Snoop Dog has created his own language and these fucking kids out there not only accept it, they embrace it - and yet we wonder why the children of America are getting stupider by the week.

We have no control over what the mind control machine in hip hop and fashion industries tell us to do. You look at absolutely everything on tv - rap or hip hop (minus headbangers ball, Nascar, and CMT) have touched and raped absolutely everything in the ass - you look at absolutely every product on the market, it's been endorsed by hip hop and fashion - hell, you can't even buy a fucking cell phone without seeing a picture of fat ass fucking joe wanting you to become a part of the "rock movement" ROCK MOVEMENT? he's a fucking rapper - the only thing that rocks about fat joe is the earth as he takes each step with his manhole covers around his neck - but still my point - you can't even turn around with out rap being there and it makes me sick.

Musically - i just can't get into manufactured music - I can't get into these public speakers who speak to music that i could make on my computer with Sonic Foundry Sound Forge - it sickens me to believe that these kids are drawn to this shit like flies to a blue light - "drop it like it's hot" is I swear to god, the official theme song of the anti-christ - the kids are drawn to that, and for what reason I have no idea, the lyrics are "drop it like it's hot" - what are we dropping? and why would it be cold? I dont know - im done bitching about this - i probably stopped making sense an hour ago haha

[ZappasXWife]

Atomikenertia said...

and we allow the kids to get filled with this.

I don't, my kids were never allowed to listen to any of this crap. And you may think they would want to rebel against me and listen anyway but they HATE this kind of music and always have. They hate most top 40. As far as bassist25's agument about rock music being just as offending, no I am with atomik on this...rock was never this bad (well OK maybe Frank Zappa could be pretty offensive).

Maybe they decided that it wasn't worth the trouble to load and unload all the gear.

Now THAT is funny...and if that IS their defense it is preposterous as they probably have no instruments.
But my question is...who the hell is Jim Jones and Mike Wall (ace? isn't he the guy on 60 minutes? He's old for rap music, and I thought Jim Jones died?)

[ZappasXWife]

Oh, and...

why would anyone in their right minds think that some one who made a record/cd whatever would come to ALTOONA to play?

Bob did !!!!

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

Atomikenertia said...
But my question is...who the hell is Jim Jones

hahaha he said Mike Jones - I said Jim Jones because I was using Jim Jones and his cult as an analogy for brainwashing hahaha - but Mike Wall (ace?) that was hilarious. Mike Wallace doing rap - would be about as bad as Harry Carey doing a rap.

[bassist_25]

I still don't see the validity of the arguments. You're just trying to gain ground by saying that Rock is less vulgar because it falls lower on the continuum of what is vulgar. Vulgarity is a subjective thing to being with. The same arguments that you're applying to Hip-hop right now were applied to Bill Haley and the Comets and Elvis in the 1950s. The social climate was much more conservative then, so what they were doing did seem very vulgar at the time.

I'm not into degrading women either, but if there are women out there stupid and weak enough to think that they should be subservient just because 50 Cent said so, then maybe they need to fall off of the Darwinst scale. Your also judging an entire genre of music and culture by what's shoved down our throats on MTV. Like I said, I don't know a whole lot about Hip-Hop culture, but there are a lot of artists out there that actually have something important to say, for example, Arrested Development.

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

I still don't see the validity of the arguments. You're just trying to gain ground by saying that Rock is less vulgar because it falls lower on the continuum of what is vulgar. Vulgarity is a subjective thing to being with. The same arguments that you're applying to Hip-hop right now were applied to Bill Haley and the Comets and Elvis in the 1950s. The social climate was much more conservative then, so what they were doing did seem very vulgar at the time.

I'm not into degrading women either, but if there are women out there stupid and weak enough to think that they should be subservient just because 50 Cent said so, then maybe they need to fall off of the Darwinst scale. Your also judging an entire genre of music and culture by what's shoved down our throats on MTV. Like I said, I don't know a whole lot about Hip-Hop culture, but there are a lot of artists out there that actually have something important to say, for example, Arrested Development.

Arrested development may be one of a few hip hop artists that have something important to say - the other would be Russel Simmons - now here is a man, who has something to say - and uses his style of music and/or comedy to do so - he's one of a few activists who have something to say and use it the way he wants..

[nightcrawler_steve]

Maybe Im just in a pissy mood today or this whole topic has a really scary overtone to it....but man, what the hell.

I'd like to state for the record, Im not a huge hip-hop fan and even less a rap fan. I dont know a lot about the culture, nor do I relate to much of it.

I know Im gonna piss a lot of people off and I apologize if I do....I dont know most of you and would really be dissapointed if expressing my opinion here makes me an outcast.

The majority of the opinions here are mass generalizations. If you hate hip-hop/rap, that is your absolute right - thats what makes America great. But, what also makes America great, is that we are a DIVERSE culture and whether you like it or not, hip-hop and rap are a part of that diversity.

Keep Hip-hop out of rockpage. Topic shot down

The above quote sounds like the same type of idealogy that came out of Europe in the 1930s - scary. The day Rockpage starts banning genre specific music is the day I will suspend my account. Personally I care even less for thrash, hardcore and death metal moreso than I do hip-hop or rap, but its MY CHOICE not to purchase or listen to that music if I so desire. I dont come here and get in debates or voice negative opinions on how that genre of music could be just as negative ie....burning in hell, all hail Satan, decapitating who knows what and on and on and on (does that sound like a massive generalization - hmmmm). There are extremes in almost every genre of music. Again, if you dont like it, dont listen to it. If you raise your children the way you want to raise them - then you probably dont have to worry about how they are going to be affected - they are free thinkers.

I still don't see the validity of the arguments. You're just trying to gain ground by saying that Rock is less vulgar because it falls lower on the continuum of what is vulgar. Vulgarity is a subjective thing to being with. The same arguments that you're applying to Hip-hop right now were applied to Bill Haley and the Comets and Elvis in the 1950s. The social climate was much more conservative then, so what they were doing did seem very vulgar at the time.

Well said. My folks turned out alright. I turned out alright. Im sure the vast majority of people who listen to hip-hop/rap will turn out alright too. Its what this generation wants and its being delivered to them. Rock and roll cant be king forever - though I wish it would.

I read time and time again about so many bands on here not being able to get a show or their genre of music is baised against. Here is an example of something thats going on here in State College. There is a certain hip/hop band in town that is finding it EXTREMELY difficult to get shows in town. Im not going to mention them because I dont want to open them up to the kind of crap thats been spewed on this post today. With all the college kids in town, this band has the potential to be a big hit. Ive been playing drums for over 20 years and Id like to think Im a pretty good judge of talent. This band uses samples, they have a DJ....sometimes 2. They also have a real drummer, incredible female vocals, guitars, bass, keys and sometimes horns. They hump equipment and write very intelligent lyrics. But they cant seem to get a job - WTF? Theyve won every band battle the university has had (They beat us out 2 years ago for the Moving On Battle of the Bands) they have a following. WTF? 2 of the creative members of this band also are trying to start a booking agency to promote multi-genre music. They are booking a "Diversity Tour" around the commenwealth campuses of PA, and Im proud to say we are a part of that tour. Hell....we have an alt-country kinda flare to us at times, but they supprt the hell out of us.

Yeah I guess this topic really rubbed me the wrong way. Forgive my rant. I just wish some of you spreading all the hate would just take a step back and think about what youre saying here and what youre trying to do by keeping a genre down. Would you want that to happen to you? Are you afraid of something new? You dont have to like it - but you really make yourself look like a small minded person spreading so much hate about it.

One love, one heart ~ Bob Marley

My opinion here is my opinion only. If you want to bash me about it fine, but dont bash my band - they did not write this.

Steve