I am a bartender at the Petersburg Tavern. We bartenders depend on our entertainment nights to make the week worthwhile financially. When entertainment cancels, especially at the last minute, my night is screwed. I may as well have stayed home because I won't make any tips.
For the second time in two months, a band, and not an established area band, but one that is relatively new, canceled at the last minute. Two shows, two different bands. There is no time to book someone else and both I, and the bar owner, will have a lousy Saturday night, all because someone "decided that it isen't worth the time to load up all the eguip, and the unload it, set it up for a 3 hr show then tear down, and once again load it up and unload it." Direct quote from the cancelation e-mail I received Thursday.
We are a small bar. We don't pay bands very much. But the bands we book know this right up front. We're trying to make some money on the weekend, and at the same time, we're trying to give new bands a chance to play in front of 75-80 people and put a little money in their pockets, too.
The band canceled last month so some of the members could watch a Steelers preseason game instead. That call came at 6 p.m. show night. We were told this time around that they "all decided that we are going to charge 250.00 for a 3 hr show for small clubs" after agreeing a month earlier to a lesser amount. This is a band that, to my knowledge, has played 2, maybe 3 gigs in bars -- TOTAL.
The DJ that plays our bar shows up ON TIME, EVERY TIME he is booked, he does his job. He loads all that equipment HIMSELF without bitching, he takes his pay (and usually tips from people "passing the hat"), smiles and goes on his merry way.
I love live music. I'm not wild about DJs. I know bands will only help our bar. But I gotta be honest, I have been screwed over by bands more than once now, and my DJ nights always end with big tips for me. I've been trying to convince the owner that bands are the way to go, but she's becoming more and more skeptical each time this shit happens. So am I.
Are there no more hungry bands out there who are looking to build a fan base? There are a lot of people in the Huntingdon area and not much for them to do. Once these people see you and like you, they will follow you, to Mount Union, Altoona, State College, Lewistown, all over. Don't people think they have to pay their dues around here anymore?
Why do we hire DJs? You tell me.
Why bars hire DJs
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Re: Why bars hire DJs
I honestly don't know what to say about that. I don't have anything to say except that these two-cent garage bands need to quit fucking around. Play a party in your basement if you want to act like an ametuer, leave the club dates to the professional bands. I'd tell them that to their faces. I'm literally pissed off about this stuff. And an e-mail cancellation has to be one of the weakest things I've ever heard, even weaker than not setting up because some moisture might get on the keyboardist's equipment.BadDazeShelly wrote: "decided that it isen't worth the time to load up all the eguip, and the unload it, set it up for a 3 hr show then tear down, and once again load it up and unload it." Direct quote from the cancelation e-mail I received Thursday.
I'm sure that we would have played the opening, but as you know, we're booked at Davey's tonight. *LOL*
"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
Try not to get too discouraged, and welcome to the Real World. Many times, young bands aren't really all that hungry. They think that they've been in the garage one night a week for two months now, and their girlfriends think they're pretty good, so they should be playing the Civic Arena. That doesn't mean they're always gonna be stupid... they're just stupid now. The guys who are serious go on to pay dues, gain experience, and get better as musicians. Evetually it should pay off. My old band played lots of gigs at the William Penn Inn in Ardenheim for 15-20 people. We worked on our show, got a lot tighter, and figured out what made the audience happy, and consistently drew 150-200 people on some pretty legendary Saturday nights. Band's take: $450-$600. Cost to club: Zero, even with a $200 guarantee. How much could you make from 200 people in tips?
Incidentally, I hope all frontmen reading this will remember to remind the audience to tip the waitstaff. It's how they get paid, and it earns you brownie points with the entire club staff. I always do it as we go on break. Also, I check to see if the club serves food, and I talk it up if they do. It's just good business.--------->JMS
Incidentally, I hope all frontmen reading this will remember to remind the audience to tip the waitstaff. It's how they get paid, and it earns you brownie points with the entire club staff. I always do it as we go on break. Also, I check to see if the club serves food, and I talk it up if they do. It's just good business.--------->JMS
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Well shelly, the best way to cure that is get a well established line of bands. HF1, BadDaze, The Canes, bands like them. Because they have showed time and time again that they will show up and put on a great show, and not only that, but bring a crowd.
Once a band is established in this area, it means that they are good, and have showed up for all of their shows. Getting new bands is good to do, but always have a backup plan incase they dont show. The best backup plans to try are acoustic bands (and im not just saying that cuz im in one) but as far as setting up and tearing down, acoustic bands dont have as much to do. And some of them can be hired on to help at the last minute. I know we've had that happen a few times, we would get called into a place as a backup plan, and if we didnt have anything to do, we would be happy to do it.
Once a band is established in this area, it means that they are good, and have showed up for all of their shows. Getting new bands is good to do, but always have a backup plan incase they dont show. The best backup plans to try are acoustic bands (and im not just saying that cuz im in one) but as far as setting up and tearing down, acoustic bands dont have as much to do. And some of them can be hired on to help at the last minute. I know we've had that happen a few times, we would get called into a place as a backup plan, and if we didnt have anything to do, we would be happy to do it.
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Johnny, you know that I have nothing but respect for your wisdom, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. When I was 18 and started to gig in the clubs, I still had a lot to learn about the business and just being a musician in general. But still, I always remained professional both on stage and off. Any band that pulls this type shit, whether they are young or old, deserves to be black balled, pure and simple. There are a few instances where I believe that it's okay for a band to cancel, such as a member being in the hospital or during a major natural disaster like a hurricane. Cancelling because you're too lazy to move PA equipment isn't a valid reason. I don't know if that's the real reason they cancelled or just an excuse, but either way, it's a lame reason to cancel.songsmith wrote:Try not to get too discouraged, and welcome to the Real World. Many times, young bands aren't really all that hungry. They think that they've been in the garage one night a week for two months now, and their girlfriends think they're pretty good, so they should be playing the Civic Arena. That doesn't mean they're always gonna be stupid... they're just stupid now. The guys who are serious go on to pay dues,
Anytime a band does something unprofessional like this, they are in effect cutting everyone's throat in the process. Clubs are going to be more reluctant to take chances on new bands that really are hungry and really want to work for success.
"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
Personally I feel a bar/club has alot of opportunity to have a succesful reliable band every weeknd but most bars/clubs book whoever comes knocking on the door. They don't search out talent they don't call bands and they don't put effort into booking bands, if a club wants to be succesful with live music they need not blame bands in general but they need to search out reliable bands and book them.
Lets compare it to a remodeling contractor shall we, there are alot of hacks out there that may do the job for a cheaper price but you aren't going to get the best job or service or reliability. So if you are going to get a job done on your house you want to find someone who is reliable with good references etc. Same thing with bands there are alot of bands out there who are not reliable but are cheap and looking for the gig. These bands may not give you the best service.
So Shelly, I would say that your boss isn't searching out bands but is rather booking the bands that come knocking on his door and getting burnt. I'm sure Rob could give him a list of reliable bands that he can call and negotiate with but he/she will have to put the effort in to make reliable bookings.
Crappy unreliable bands have always been and always will be so its the bar owners job to hire reliable ones.
Just my 2 cents and I hope I didn't offend you're opinion but this is mine.
Lets compare it to a remodeling contractor shall we, there are alot of hacks out there that may do the job for a cheaper price but you aren't going to get the best job or service or reliability. So if you are going to get a job done on your house you want to find someone who is reliable with good references etc. Same thing with bands there are alot of bands out there who are not reliable but are cheap and looking for the gig. These bands may not give you the best service.
So Shelly, I would say that your boss isn't searching out bands but is rather booking the bands that come knocking on his door and getting burnt. I'm sure Rob could give him a list of reliable bands that he can call and negotiate with but he/she will have to put the effort in to make reliable bookings.
Crappy unreliable bands have always been and always will be so its the bar owners job to hire reliable ones.
Just my 2 cents and I hope I didn't offend you're opinion but this is mine.
Don't bitch to me about the economy while you're still buying Chinese products.
Bassist, I should have clarified:
I meant that you can't blackball everyone in the band that bones you. There's usually someone in a group like that who wants something more, or else they wouldn't have even gotten to the booking stage. Those people usually move on after crap like this happens once or twice, because they want to play. I've been lucky that way, but I know guys who simply went with the first band that came along, and got boned.
Bands come and go, so do musicians. I learned not to take it personally awhile ago.
I, on the other hand, will be onstage reasonably ontime, will deliver 3 sets of whoop-ass even if nobody shows, will completely ignore all football, basketball, baseball and NASCAR, will stay completely sober and focused, and will expect to be paid in full in cash as soon as I dismount. I'm more responsible than hungry myself, and I always said they should call it the Business Music because business usually comes first. In short, I'm the older musician I thought I'd never be.
--->JMS
I meant that you can't blackball everyone in the band that bones you. There's usually someone in a group like that who wants something more, or else they wouldn't have even gotten to the booking stage. Those people usually move on after crap like this happens once or twice, because they want to play. I've been lucky that way, but I know guys who simply went with the first band that came along, and got boned.
Bands come and go, so do musicians. I learned not to take it personally awhile ago.
I, on the other hand, will be onstage reasonably ontime, will deliver 3 sets of whoop-ass even if nobody shows, will completely ignore all football, basketball, baseball and NASCAR, will stay completely sober and focused, and will expect to be paid in full in cash as soon as I dismount. I'm more responsible than hungry myself, and I always said they should call it the Business Music because business usually comes first. In short, I'm the older musician I thought I'd never be.
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You always have a percentage of unreliable imbeciles on both sides of the fence. Unfortunately in many cases club owners, you get what you pay for. And musicians, YOU get what you play for. I’ve always found the MORE club owners want YOU to do, the LESS they want to pay. And it will be almost a Guarantee that same club owner will find a way to shove a broomstick up your kiester at the fist opportunity that benefits them.
So bands, if you agree to do something, DO IT!
Same goes for the clubowners........................
So bands, if you agree to do something, DO IT!
Same goes for the clubowners........................
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Like I said, we're a small bar, and we're not paying much, but it's a foot in the door. All we are asking is if you agree to play, then play. We can't afford the "bigger bands" in the area, but we have customers who want to hear live music. If you're good, it will be a good thing for you.
For booking info for the PETERSBURG TAVERN, call 669-9428 Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturdays after 8 p.m., Sundays 11 a.m.-5 p.m. or stop by.
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Oh okay, I dig what you're saying. I thought that with your first post, you were trying to take a "boys will be boys" type of stance.songsmith wrote:Bassist, I should have clarified:
I meant that you can't blackball everyone in the band that bones you. There's usually someone in a group like that who wants something more, or else they wouldn't have even gotten to the booking stage. Those people usually move on after crap like this happens once or twice, because they want to play. I've been lucky that way, but I know guys who simply went with the first band that came along, and got boned.
Bands come and go, so do musicians. I learned not to take it personally awhile ago.
I, on the other hand, will be onstage reasonably ontime, will deliver 3 sets of whoop-ass even if nobody shows, will completely ignore all football, basketball, baseball and NASCAR, will stay completely sober and focused, and will expect to be paid in full in cash as soon as I dismount. I'm more responsible than hungry myself, and I always said they should call it the Business Music because business usually comes first. In short, I'm the older musician I thought I'd never be.
I agree, individuals shouldn't be black listed just because they were associated with a few knuckleheads. For the most part, club owners don't even know the members' names unless it's the member with whom the business relationship is established with.
"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
Well Shelly here is my thoughts. It sounds like you are more concerned with getting tips than wether or not a band plays. I think that is really greedy of you as you should never use bands or dj's to make your pocket fatter. Because after all isn't it about the band or the dj playing that gives you patron's it the atmosphere of the bar and the bartender. All bands and dj's do is bring in fans not money for you. I find your take on everything rediculous and you should be ashamed of yourself. You are givin all us bartenders bad names. Shame on you next time you wanna make a POINT, MAKE IT. I am very disappointed in your take of thing and because of your GREEDY attitude, you lost me and a couple of my friends as patrons of the Petersburg Tavern. We go out for a good time, not to help you make a buck. If you are unhappy with the job you are doing, then get a better one and stop conplaining.
PirateBob.... YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING! She is trying to stand up for live entertainment.
A band canceling because they don't want to load and unload, play, load and unload? They better grow the fuck up. That's what you do EVERY time you play! If you agreed to play for a certain amount of money, then decide the night of the show that it isn't worth the trouble, you might as well get used to playing in your garage.
The way Bashful used to look at it when they played somewhere new, and there weren't many people there was, "hey it's a paid practice."
If you think this lady is being "greedy" because she would rather make some money in tips than stand around all night for four bucks an hour.....
You're just stupid!
A band canceling because they don't want to load and unload, play, load and unload? They better grow the fuck up. That's what you do EVERY time you play! If you agreed to play for a certain amount of money, then decide the night of the show that it isn't worth the trouble, you might as well get used to playing in your garage.
The way Bashful used to look at it when they played somewhere new, and there weren't many people there was, "hey it's a paid practice."
If you think this lady is being "greedy" because she would rather make some money in tips than stand around all night for four bucks an hour.....
You're just stupid!
You don't shoot a man in the dick!
I wasn't going to post here, for obvious reasons, but Jesus Christ ...PirateBob wrote:Well Shelly here is my thoughts. It sounds like you are more concerned with getting tips than wether or not a band plays. I think that is really greedy of you as you should never use bands or dj's to make your pocket fatter. Because after all isn't it about the band or the dj playing that gives you patron's it the atmosphere of the bar and the bartender. All bands and dj's do is bring in fans not money for you. I find your take on everything rediculous and you should be ashamed of yourself. You are givin all us bartenders bad names. Shame on you next time you wanna make a POINT, MAKE IT. I am very disappointed in your take of thing and because of your GREEDY attitude, you lost me and a couple of my friends as patrons of the Petersburg Tavern. We go out for a good time, not to help you make a buck. If you are unhappy with the job you are doing, then get a better one and stop conplaining.
I see this person above just signed on as a member today. Ron, I'd be interested to compare IP addresses with "Pirate Bob" and existing members. I have a $100 bill burning a hole in my pocket and I'm ready to put money on who "Pirate Bob" really is. I guarrantee he doesn't like to "load up all the eguip, and the unload it, set it up for a 3 hr show then tear down, and once again load it up and unload it."
As for your ridiculous comments, Asun ... er ... um ... I mean "Pirate Bob," they don't warrant a response. You obviously have no clue why bars book entertainment and I KNOW you're not a bartender.
And BTW "'Bob," this is Rob from the band BAD DAZE.
PS: If any young bands are looking for a place to play in front of a fun loving crowd, call Shelly at the Tavern. We played there last month and that crowd knows how to have a good time.
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That's what she said.
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Yes, I like to make tips while I'm at work...Do you like to go to work and not make any money? That's not greed, it's called earning a living. But, the main reason I 'm pushing the owner to book bands is because I like live music and I think the area needs more of it. I make just as much money the nights we have Djs but I would rather have a band playing. I am trying to give some newer bands a chance since we are a smaller bar and can't afford nor do we have the room for some of the "bigger" bands some people mentioned. I thought getting paid something to play was better than nothing. Please don't get me wrong, we've had some good bands that were happy to play in a smaller bar for less money because they like to play. I welcome these guys back and I will continue to try to push for the owner to book more bands. Hopefully, these last few incidents were isolated ones.
For booking info for the PETERSBURG TAVERN, call 669-9428 Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturdays after 8 p.m., Sundays 11 a.m.-5 p.m. or stop by.
Rob don't let this ass get you down as he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. Bars book bands and DJ's for one reason and one reason only and that is to bring in a crowd (which translates into money for the bar and employees of the bar) Bottom line. When a bar books bands for the month they count on that money to pay the bills for the month and then when some young punk band backs out at the last minute when it is too late to get someone else, ( because they dont want to set up and tear down for little money after they agreed to the money when the gig was booked just makes them a bunch of whiney little bitches that better get use to playing for family and girlfriends in the basement) no one wins the band included as word travels fast and they will continue to play in their garage for their girlfriends to blow smoke up their ass telling them you guys are great I don't know why you cant get any bookings. (doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why).
And Shelly don't worry about loosing a couple patrons as boobs like this are not worth having in the bar to begin with they probably pick every last penny off the bar before they leave as they are definetly not making any extra spending money out playing.
"All bands and dj's do is bring in fans not money for you." (CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH ... BOOB) Fans turn into beer, liquor and food sales which turns into money for the bar and bartenders, how hard is that to figure out. Yeah this guy is a bartender and if he actually is he knows nothing about the bar business. You can have all the atmosphere in the world but if you are not offering the patrons or fans any reason to come in the doors all the atmosphere in the world will do you no good as atmosphere doesn't pay the bills.
Thats how it is like it or not.
Paul
And Shelly don't worry about loosing a couple patrons as boobs like this are not worth having in the bar to begin with they probably pick every last penny off the bar before they leave as they are definetly not making any extra spending money out playing.
"All bands and dj's do is bring in fans not money for you." (CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH ... BOOB) Fans turn into beer, liquor and food sales which turns into money for the bar and bartenders, how hard is that to figure out. Yeah this guy is a bartender and if he actually is he knows nothing about the bar business. You can have all the atmosphere in the world but if you are not offering the patrons or fans any reason to come in the doors all the atmosphere in the world will do you no good as atmosphere doesn't pay the bills.
Thats how it is like it or not.
Paul
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Don't beat around the bush...if a band cancels for anything less than being in the hospital (or jail), NAME THEM. They need the bad publicity. The word needs to get out.
How's anybody gonna be vigilant without knowing who to watch for?
How's anybody gonna be vigilant without knowing who to watch for?
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
Can't come right out and say it ... I know my wife won't ...lonewolf wrote:Don't beat around the bush...if a band cancels for anything less than being in the hospital (or jail), NAME THEM. They need the bad publicity. The word needs to get out.
How's anybody gonna be vigilant without knowing who to watch for?
Yes, it's a tricky situation ...
People should know what to watch for ...
Hell, I'd love nothing more than to expose this jerk off by name ...
I think things will come to light eventually ...
Never understood why people think they have the right to play, without doing the legwork, without taking their lumps ...
Sorry, lonewolf, this is a mystery you'll have to figure out on your own ...
Songsmith, that was a cool trick you pulled in a previous thread, using the first letters of each line to spell out a secret message ... very clever.
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Well I knew it was only a matter of time. Were to start. Well Shelly and Rob you are making it worst than it really has to be. I will post the e-mails that were givin between me and shelly explaining why we were going to have to cancel. I say this little bit because I'm not comming on here to try and piss someone off or get into arguements with people. Shit happens. There is no band out there that likes to cancel a show. Me and Rob has never seen eye to eye. And me and Shelly have neither. First of I admit I should have never booked a show there. It only has caused trouble. Weather it was on purpose or not. Whats done is done. But by the band making a decision to cancel the show now what, the band is going to get this awful name. The band Im in tries just as hard and works just as hard to become something in this area. We simply do what we do because we love it. I no everyone will have a different opinion about this. Like I said no band likes to have to cancel. But it happens. And it wasen't just about money.
Asundor wrote:... And it wasen't just about money.
This is Rob from the band BAD DAZE.Jason Satta, in his cancelation email, wrote:... we decided that it isen't worth the time to load up all the eguip, and the unload it, set it up for a 3 hr show then tear down, and once again load it up and unload it.
... we all decided that we are going to charge 250.00 for a 3 hr show for small clubs
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I got your e-mail concerning the show. Thanks for giving us as much notice
as possible. I haven't really started advertising it yet so it's not a
problem. Stop by the bar or give us a call at the bar and we'll try to line
something else up. I know we have some Saturdays open in November. BTW saw
your review in PA Musician, can't wait to hear you guys! Hopefully, we can
get something set up. Thanks again for the advance notice.
Later
Shel
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Subject: Tavern show
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:11:39 -0400
I got your e-mail concerning the show. Thanks for giving us as much notice
as possible. I haven't really started advertising it yet so it's not a
problem. Stop by the bar or give us a call at the bar and we'll try to line
something else up. I know we have some Saturdays open in November. BTW saw
your review in PA Musician, can't wait to hear you guys! Hopefully, we can
get something set up. Thanks again for the advance notice.
Later
Shel
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Subject: Tavern show
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:11:39 -0400
From : Jason Satta <cyphin2003@yahoo.com>
Sent : Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:14 PM
To : shellyd2004@hotmail.com
Subject : Show
Shelly,
Hey whats up. I wanted to inform you ASAP. That the date we have scheduled isen't going to work out. Friends of ours are getting married on that date and thaey really want us to come. It's going to be an all day thing. I was even thinking of ways I could still do the show but It doesen't look good. I really do apoligize. I don't like to have to cancel shows but this one has turned into a must. If I could I would like to reschedule, we still are very interested in playing up there. I hope this doesn't ruin our chances. Once again I apoligeze. Let me no If you recieve this and everything is cool,and what we can do to come up with another date to play. Thanks Shelly. Jason/CYPHIN
From : Jason Satta <cyphin2003@yahoo.com>
Sent : Wednesday, October 12, 2005 4:24 PM
To : shellyd2004@hotmail.com
Subject : Tavern Show
Shelly, Hey how you been. I wanted to ask you If the Tavern has found anyone for the date we had booked with you guys. I am trying my damness to try and get out of this wedding deal. They wanted me to DJ, I told them I coulden't I hated to cancel, and then now try and get the show back. Can you let me no If we can can still keep this show. I diden't realize how many people wanted us to come up there. I'll probally fight my ass off to keep this show and no one will come up LOL. Let me no. Thanks Shelly. Jason/CYPHIN
From : Jason Satta <cyphin2003@yahoo.com>
Sent : Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:16 PM
To : shellyd2004@hotmail.com
Subject : Tavern show
Shelly, Sorry I haven't gottin back to you. This week has been rough. I wanted to let you no that we decided not to do the show this weekend. I wanted to explain something to you. I hope you dont take offence to it but we all decided that it isen't worth the time to load up all the eguip, and the unload it, set it up for a 3 hr show then tear down, and once again load it up and unload it. We all decided that we are going to charge 250.00 for a 3 hr show for small clubs. We would have done the show for 150.00 and maybe also charge like a 2.00 cover. We really are interested in playing at the Tavern. I hope it doesn't sound like Im being a dick I hope you understand where im comming from. I figured you would understand being Robs in a band and you no a little bout this stuff. Hopefully in the future we can play a show up there. If you can arrange something for that price we could settle on a date. I would call but I dont want to offend someone. I dont want this to ruin our chances of ever playing there because were not trying to burn bridges with clubs. Thanks for all the help. Take care and keep me posted.
From: Jason Satta <cyphin2003@yahoo.com>
To: shellyd2004@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 07:34:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Tavern show
Shelly,
Hey I just wanted to add something for the record. And no Im not kissing ass or blaming anyone else, but It wasen't only myself that decided not to do the Tavern. Also the money issue's. I no what you meen by getting your foot in the door first I agree with you one hundred percent. I never meant to burn bridges with you or Rob or the Taven for that matter. Bands to cancel. For whatever reason it maybe. Also no I'm not the same person I was years ago, you are miss judging me. I agree I have done some stupud shit in the past. For some reason you have always hated me, why who knows. I'm not trying to make enemy's out of this. If the tavern dont want us playin that is fine I can except that but I find there is no need for you to say shit about me or the band. What would have happened If we would have played up there and packed that place. You guys would have made a killing on beer and we would have made shit. Once again no matter how I try and word this your going to think it's bout the money. It's really not. Just the thought.
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Sent : Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:14 PM
To : shellyd2004@hotmail.com
Subject : Show
Shelly,
Hey whats up. I wanted to inform you ASAP. That the date we have scheduled isen't going to work out. Friends of ours are getting married on that date and thaey really want us to come. It's going to be an all day thing. I was even thinking of ways I could still do the show but It doesen't look good. I really do apoligize. I don't like to have to cancel shows but this one has turned into a must. If I could I would like to reschedule, we still are very interested in playing up there. I hope this doesn't ruin our chances. Once again I apoligeze. Let me no If you recieve this and everything is cool,and what we can do to come up with another date to play. Thanks Shelly. Jason/CYPHIN
From : Jason Satta <cyphin2003@yahoo.com>
Sent : Wednesday, October 12, 2005 4:24 PM
To : shellyd2004@hotmail.com
Subject : Tavern Show
Shelly, Hey how you been. I wanted to ask you If the Tavern has found anyone for the date we had booked with you guys. I am trying my damness to try and get out of this wedding deal. They wanted me to DJ, I told them I coulden't I hated to cancel, and then now try and get the show back. Can you let me no If we can can still keep this show. I diden't realize how many people wanted us to come up there. I'll probally fight my ass off to keep this show and no one will come up LOL. Let me no. Thanks Shelly. Jason/CYPHIN
From : Jason Satta <cyphin2003@yahoo.com>
Sent : Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:16 PM
To : shellyd2004@hotmail.com
Subject : Tavern show
Shelly, Sorry I haven't gottin back to you. This week has been rough. I wanted to let you no that we decided not to do the show this weekend. I wanted to explain something to you. I hope you dont take offence to it but we all decided that it isen't worth the time to load up all the eguip, and the unload it, set it up for a 3 hr show then tear down, and once again load it up and unload it. We all decided that we are going to charge 250.00 for a 3 hr show for small clubs. We would have done the show for 150.00 and maybe also charge like a 2.00 cover. We really are interested in playing at the Tavern. I hope it doesn't sound like Im being a dick I hope you understand where im comming from. I figured you would understand being Robs in a band and you no a little bout this stuff. Hopefully in the future we can play a show up there. If you can arrange something for that price we could settle on a date. I would call but I dont want to offend someone. I dont want this to ruin our chances of ever playing there because were not trying to burn bridges with clubs. Thanks for all the help. Take care and keep me posted.
From: Jason Satta <cyphin2003@yahoo.com>
To: shellyd2004@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 07:34:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Tavern show
Shelly,
Hey I just wanted to add something for the record. And no Im not kissing ass or blaming anyone else, but It wasen't only myself that decided not to do the Tavern. Also the money issue's. I no what you meen by getting your foot in the door first I agree with you one hundred percent. I never meant to burn bridges with you or Rob or the Taven for that matter. Bands to cancel. For whatever reason it maybe. Also no I'm not the same person I was years ago, you are miss judging me. I agree I have done some stupud shit in the past. For some reason you have always hated me, why who knows. I'm not trying to make enemy's out of this. If the tavern dont want us playin that is fine I can except that but I find there is no need for you to say shit about me or the band. What would have happened If we would have played up there and packed that place. You guys would have made a killing on beer and we would have made shit. Once again no matter how I try and word this your going to think it's bout the money. It's really not. Just the thought.
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Last edited by BDR on Sunday Oct 23, 2005, edited 3 times in total.
That's what she said.
Hey Rob I'm not falling into your little ball baby bullshit traps. Just cause your wife works at the Tavern were this happened. Leave it go man its my fuck up not yours, so leave it rest. What do you think your any better by keeping this shit up. So I made a mistake. I'm not giving my band a bad name. People make mistakes. And we will continue to play shows. And try an make as many fans as we can along the way. Maybe other bands out there are alot better at managing a band. Just becuase a band has decided to cancel a show one night shouldn't give them a bad name. And it's not like we contacted you that day. We gave them a much needed notice. Well I'm not falling into thisdrama bullshit. Like I had said before everyone will have different feelings about this. But realize this shit happens. Not that we wanted it to happen. Jason / CYPHIN