Poke you in the eyeball..... lmaoHurricane wrote:Fuckin right! Id blow a smoke ring of kind bud right in your face, what you goona do bout that?
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It is a fact that marijuana is illegal. I don't think anybody denies that. If you're driving around with an oz. in your car and you get busted, then it's your own stupid fault. I don't think that the issue is with whether marijuana is illegal or not, but whether marijuana should be illegal or not. The government, special interest groups, and people putting out the Partnership for a Drug Free America ads don't want you questioning whether marijuana should be legal or not. They just say it's bad and you should be a good complacent little robot and listen to everything they tell you. A lot of industries have already started seeing better profits now that they moved out of the country thanks to NAFTA. Could you imagine their profit margins if they had to start competing with hemp based products? And here I thought we lived in America, a place with a free market economy. It's free market for the peope will the special interest dollars.
As it's probaly evident from many of my posts on Rockpage, I'm pretty libertarian. I'm not a full libertarian because I believe some social programs are not only good for society but also necessary; I don't believe that privatizing everything is the answer to all of our economic programs; any country needs taxes to function; most hardcore libertarians took the writings of Ayn Rand and Robert Nozick a little too seriously. But I digress. My point is that many people are weak and stupid; they need people with more power to tell them what's good for them. A lot of people on the other hand don't need the government to hold their hands. Why should the strong be held back because of the weak? I'd never order up an escort, but why not make prostitution legal? If the industry is regulated and the clients aren't committing adultery, then what's the problem? The problem is the religious right would spout off about some family values bullshit and how sex is a sacred. Repeat after me: YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY.
I'm smart enough to make my own decisions concering my life. If I make mistakes, I'm strong enough to live with them. I don't need someone telling me what's good and what isn't good for me, especially when it's mostly bullshit.
As it's probaly evident from many of my posts on Rockpage, I'm pretty libertarian. I'm not a full libertarian because I believe some social programs are not only good for society but also necessary; I don't believe that privatizing everything is the answer to all of our economic programs; any country needs taxes to function; most hardcore libertarians took the writings of Ayn Rand and Robert Nozick a little too seriously. But I digress. My point is that many people are weak and stupid; they need people with more power to tell them what's good for them. A lot of people on the other hand don't need the government to hold their hands. Why should the strong be held back because of the weak? I'd never order up an escort, but why not make prostitution legal? If the industry is regulated and the clients aren't committing adultery, then what's the problem? The problem is the religious right would spout off about some family values bullshit and how sex is a sacred. Repeat after me: YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY.
I'm smart enough to make my own decisions concering my life. If I make mistakes, I'm strong enough to live with them. I don't need someone telling me what's good and what isn't good for me, especially when it's mostly bullshit.
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"Among the common addictive drugs, marijuana alone appears able to promote neurogenesis when used over time and in the right dosage, the researchers say. In contrast, prior research has demonstrated that chronic administration of cocaine, opiates, alcohol and nicotine inhibits brain cell growth."
"The social policies are way behind our technology, and that's where we need some catching up."

Marijuana Compound Spurs Brain Cell Growth
By Alan Mozes
HealthDay Reporter
THURSDAY, Oct. 13 (HealthDay News) -- When it comes to the controversy surrounding medical marijuana, an international team of researchers is busy stirring the pot by releasing findings that suggest the drug helps promote brain cell growth while treating mood disorders.
According to the study in rats, a super-potent synthetic version of the cannabinoid compound found in marijuana can reduce depression and anxiety when taken over an extended period of time.
This mood boost seems to be the result of the drug's ability to promote the growth of new brain cells, something no other addictive drug appears able to do, the researchers say.
The findings, which appear in the November issue of the Journal of Clinical Investigation, remain preliminary, however.
"Our results were obtained from rats, and there's a big difference between rats and humans," said study co-author Dr. Xia Zhang, of the neuropsychiatry research unit in the department of psychiatry at the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon, Canada. "So, I don't really don't know yet if our findings apply to humans. But our results indicate that the clinical use of marijuana could make people feel better by helping control anxiety and depression."
The new findings come on the heels of a U.S. Supreme Court ruling in June granting federal authorities the power to stop doctors from prescribing marijuana. That decision also bars individuals from cultivating the herb for medical purposes.
The decision overrides laws currently on the books in 11 states which had legalized the use of marijuana for patients receiving a doctor's approval. According to the ruling, the Supreme Court justices made their decision on the basis of interstate commerce regulations rather than on an evaluation of the pros and cons of medical marijuana use.
But does medical marijuana work? To help settle that question, Zhang's team focused on the potential of a synthetic laboratory-produced form of the cannabinoid compound naturally found in the marijuana plant.
Humans and other animals also naturally produce the compound, and are known to have cannabinoid receptors lying on the surface of cells in the nervous system and the immune system.
Prior research has shown that, when exposed to cannabinoids, these receptors can provoke an anti-inflammatory and anti-convulsive response. They can also instigate a range of psychotropic effects such as euphoria.
The current study focused on a particular formulation of synthetic cannabinoid known as HU210 -- a compound which Zhang described as the most powerful cannabinoid in the world.
The authors explored both the short-term and long-term effects of exposure to HU210 in rats.
To measure the drug's short-term response, they gave adult rats a single injection of HU210. To study the same drug's effect over the longer term, the researchers gave a separate group of adult rats twice-daily injections of the cannabinoid over a two-week period.
Autopsies revealed that by the end of the 10-day HU210 treatment regimen, new neurons had been generated and integrated into the circuitry of the hippocampus region of the rat's brains. This process, known as neurogenesis, was still in evidence a full month after treatment had been initiated.
Neurogenesis was not triggered in response to brain cells being killed through cannabinoid exposure, the researchers add. In fact, HU210 injections did not appear to prompt any loss of neurons in the hippocampus.
Cannabinoid use appeared to boost mood, as well: According to the scientists, behavioral tests suggest that long-term treatment reduced the rodent's anxiety- and depression-linked behaviors.
For example, one month post-treatment, treated rats deprived of food for 48 hours were quicker than similarly deprived, non-treated rats to begin eating food when it was finally offered to them in an unfamiliar environment.
The researchers believe treated rats may have been less anxious in the manner they handled this novel situation. They stress the results were not related to cannabinoids' appetite-stimulating effects, since the treated rats' eating behavior was similar to that of untreated rats when they were offered food in a familiar setting.
Treated rats also responded in a less anxious manner to swimming and climbing tests, and displayed shorter periods of immobility compared with untreated rats. The latter finding was interpreted to mean that HU210 had an antidepressant effect on rats receiving the cannabinoid over the longer term.
However, while long-term administration of higher doses worked to reduce anxiety and depression, lower doses did not appear to have the same effect, the researchers added.
Zhang and his associates credit cannabinoid-linked neurogenesis with the apparent mood shifts seen in the animals.
The hippocampus area of the brain where the neuronal growth occurred is key to the regulation of stress and other mood disorders, Zhang's team point out. This region is also important to the control of cognitive processes such as learning and memory.
Among the common addictive drugs, marijuana alone appears able to promote neurogenesis when used over time and in the right dosage, the researchers say. In contrast, prior research has demonstrated that chronic administration of cocaine, opiates, alcohol and nicotine inhibits brain cell growth.
"If our results can be confirmed in humans, we should anticipate the chronic use of marijuana as a medical treatment for anxiety and depression," Zhang said.
However, he cautioned that "this treatment is not the same as smoking marijuana. Whether smoking marijuana can produce the same effect, we just don't know."
Dr. Perry G. Fine, a professor of anesthesiology at the University of Utah School of Medicine Pain Research Center, said more than enough data has already been gathered to confirm medical marijuana's potential benefits.
"It's great that there's new science, but to me this is no longer an epiphany," he said. "It's just proving what's been long-suspected. We're behind the curve with the cannabinoids largely because of the stigma of marijuana going years and years back."
"I think most people with clinical expertise in the area of palliative medicine know that if patients had access to all the tools we currently have, we could certainly do a whole lot better to help people live with multiple chronic diseases," he added. "The social policies are way behind our technology, and that's where we need some catching up.
"The social policies are way behind our technology, and that's where we need some catching up."

Marijuana Compound Spurs Brain Cell Growth
By Alan Mozes
HealthDay Reporter
THURSDAY, Oct. 13 (HealthDay News) -- When it comes to the controversy surrounding medical marijuana, an international team of researchers is busy stirring the pot by releasing findings that suggest the drug helps promote brain cell growth while treating mood disorders.
According to the study in rats, a super-potent synthetic version of the cannabinoid compound found in marijuana can reduce depression and anxiety when taken over an extended period of time.
This mood boost seems to be the result of the drug's ability to promote the growth of new brain cells, something no other addictive drug appears able to do, the researchers say.
The findings, which appear in the November issue of the Journal of Clinical Investigation, remain preliminary, however.
"Our results were obtained from rats, and there's a big difference between rats and humans," said study co-author Dr. Xia Zhang, of the neuropsychiatry research unit in the department of psychiatry at the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon, Canada. "So, I don't really don't know yet if our findings apply to humans. But our results indicate that the clinical use of marijuana could make people feel better by helping control anxiety and depression."
The new findings come on the heels of a U.S. Supreme Court ruling in June granting federal authorities the power to stop doctors from prescribing marijuana. That decision also bars individuals from cultivating the herb for medical purposes.
The decision overrides laws currently on the books in 11 states which had legalized the use of marijuana for patients receiving a doctor's approval. According to the ruling, the Supreme Court justices made their decision on the basis of interstate commerce regulations rather than on an evaluation of the pros and cons of medical marijuana use.
But does medical marijuana work? To help settle that question, Zhang's team focused on the potential of a synthetic laboratory-produced form of the cannabinoid compound naturally found in the marijuana plant.
Humans and other animals also naturally produce the compound, and are known to have cannabinoid receptors lying on the surface of cells in the nervous system and the immune system.
Prior research has shown that, when exposed to cannabinoids, these receptors can provoke an anti-inflammatory and anti-convulsive response. They can also instigate a range of psychotropic effects such as euphoria.
The current study focused on a particular formulation of synthetic cannabinoid known as HU210 -- a compound which Zhang described as the most powerful cannabinoid in the world.
The authors explored both the short-term and long-term effects of exposure to HU210 in rats.
To measure the drug's short-term response, they gave adult rats a single injection of HU210. To study the same drug's effect over the longer term, the researchers gave a separate group of adult rats twice-daily injections of the cannabinoid over a two-week period.
Autopsies revealed that by the end of the 10-day HU210 treatment regimen, new neurons had been generated and integrated into the circuitry of the hippocampus region of the rat's brains. This process, known as neurogenesis, was still in evidence a full month after treatment had been initiated.
Neurogenesis was not triggered in response to brain cells being killed through cannabinoid exposure, the researchers add. In fact, HU210 injections did not appear to prompt any loss of neurons in the hippocampus.
Cannabinoid use appeared to boost mood, as well: According to the scientists, behavioral tests suggest that long-term treatment reduced the rodent's anxiety- and depression-linked behaviors.
For example, one month post-treatment, treated rats deprived of food for 48 hours were quicker than similarly deprived, non-treated rats to begin eating food when it was finally offered to them in an unfamiliar environment.
The researchers believe treated rats may have been less anxious in the manner they handled this novel situation. They stress the results were not related to cannabinoids' appetite-stimulating effects, since the treated rats' eating behavior was similar to that of untreated rats when they were offered food in a familiar setting.
Treated rats also responded in a less anxious manner to swimming and climbing tests, and displayed shorter periods of immobility compared with untreated rats. The latter finding was interpreted to mean that HU210 had an antidepressant effect on rats receiving the cannabinoid over the longer term.
However, while long-term administration of higher doses worked to reduce anxiety and depression, lower doses did not appear to have the same effect, the researchers added.
Zhang and his associates credit cannabinoid-linked neurogenesis with the apparent mood shifts seen in the animals.
The hippocampus area of the brain where the neuronal growth occurred is key to the regulation of stress and other mood disorders, Zhang's team point out. This region is also important to the control of cognitive processes such as learning and memory.
Among the common addictive drugs, marijuana alone appears able to promote neurogenesis when used over time and in the right dosage, the researchers say. In contrast, prior research has demonstrated that chronic administration of cocaine, opiates, alcohol and nicotine inhibits brain cell growth.
"If our results can be confirmed in humans, we should anticipate the chronic use of marijuana as a medical treatment for anxiety and depression," Zhang said.
However, he cautioned that "this treatment is not the same as smoking marijuana. Whether smoking marijuana can produce the same effect, we just don't know."
Dr. Perry G. Fine, a professor of anesthesiology at the University of Utah School of Medicine Pain Research Center, said more than enough data has already been gathered to confirm medical marijuana's potential benefits.
"It's great that there's new science, but to me this is no longer an epiphany," he said. "It's just proving what's been long-suspected. We're behind the curve with the cannabinoids largely because of the stigma of marijuana going years and years back."
"I think most people with clinical expertise in the area of palliative medicine know that if patients had access to all the tools we currently have, we could certainly do a whole lot better to help people live with multiple chronic diseases," he added. "The social policies are way behind our technology, and that's where we need some catching up.
Look if a a person wants to sit in the privacy of their own home, smoke up, order pizza, and play x-box or watch a DVD, what's that to me?
considering the fact that every musician on this page breaks a law by turning on their amplifier, I think it's a little holier-than-thou to go squawking about legalities.
I'm not crazy about drugs in the band either but I've put up with grass too, and I'm not really wild about guys driving under the influence, that's why I choose to do a lot of the night drivin cause I KNOW I'm sober.
When I was drinkin did I drink and drive...yup and I was a dumbass then, and if you do it now or smoke and drive..what ever, I refer you to my previuos posts.
But I think it's fair to say that grass is different from other drugs and that there is merit to the argument that it should be treated differently.
What a person does in private is their own business but when it effects me like on the highway or in my band...I got a reasonable complaint about booze or grass or whatever.
considering the fact that every musician on this page breaks a law by turning on their amplifier, I think it's a little holier-than-thou to go squawking about legalities.
I'm not crazy about drugs in the band either but I've put up with grass too, and I'm not really wild about guys driving under the influence, that's why I choose to do a lot of the night drivin cause I KNOW I'm sober.
When I was drinkin did I drink and drive...yup and I was a dumbass then, and if you do it now or smoke and drive..what ever, I refer you to my previuos posts.
But I think it's fair to say that grass is different from other drugs and that there is merit to the argument that it should be treated differently.
What a person does in private is their own business but when it effects me like on the highway or in my band...I got a reasonable complaint about booze or grass or whatever.
Blooz to Youz
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I'm not weighing in on if marijuana should be legal or not.....people think what they think and neither side will change their mind.
As for the halfway house thing....lonewolf, I only stated what I did because initially the thread just said "halfway houses", it didn't refer to only DOC houses. I agree, big difference. There are halfway houses, atleast one that I know of, in Altoona that aren't DOC halfway houses. I was only referring to that one when saying that everyone in it is not a criminal. I hate generalizations about anything...addicts, women, musicians, blacks, gays, etc. And BadDazeRob.....I don't think it is "irresponsible" to think that people CAN get rehabilitated. There are people who do. However, I agree with FatVin that they have to want to. All the treatment in the world doesn't help if a person doesn't use what they know or learn. That being said, I think that we all know it isn't just as easy as saying "I think today I'll stop doing Heroin".
Off my soapbox......
As for the halfway house thing....lonewolf, I only stated what I did because initially the thread just said "halfway houses", it didn't refer to only DOC houses. I agree, big difference. There are halfway houses, atleast one that I know of, in Altoona that aren't DOC halfway houses. I was only referring to that one when saying that everyone in it is not a criminal. I hate generalizations about anything...addicts, women, musicians, blacks, gays, etc. And BadDazeRob.....I don't think it is "irresponsible" to think that people CAN get rehabilitated. There are people who do. However, I agree with FatVin that they have to want to. All the treatment in the world doesn't help if a person doesn't use what they know or learn. That being said, I think that we all know it isn't just as easy as saying "I think today I'll stop doing Heroin".
Off my soapbox......
Depression is Merely Anger Without Enthusiasm.
SavageHeart,
I am glad to see you finally admit that you know of only ONE halfway house that's not DOC. This is our point. Trash from the city is spoiling our region. You're one non-DOC halfway house is not what we've be referring to.
And Bill ...
SCREW LOBO ...

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Don't think I said people can't be rehabilitated. Your previous posts made it sound like everyone in every halfway house in Altoona is there because they want to be rehabed, which is bullshit. The MAJORITY are there because the courts MAKE THEM GO.BadDazeRob wrote:Rehabilitation? Some are beyond it. MANY are beyond it. To think otherwise is irresponsible.
I am glad to see you finally admit that you know of only ONE halfway house that's not DOC. This is our point. Trash from the city is spoiling our region. You're one non-DOC halfway house is not what we've be referring to.
And Bill ...
SCREW LOBO ...


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That's what she said.
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Yep, to me, the legality of pot isn't worth wasting a single calorie of effort. Its just not that important. Potheads will be potheads and recreational users (what is that anyway, twist one up and go skiing?) will find a way to get their 13 joints per year.SavageHeart wrote:I'm not weighing in on if marijuana should be legal or not.....people think what they think and neither side will change their mind.
As for the halfway house thing....lonewolf, I only stated what I did because initially the thread just said "halfway houses", it didn't refer to only DOC houses. I agree, big difference. There are halfway houses, atleast one that I know of, in Altoona that aren't DOC halfway houses. I was only referring to that one when saying that everyone in it is not a criminal. I hate generalizations about anything...addicts, women, musicians, blacks, gays, etc. And BadDazeRob.....I don't think it is "irresponsible" to think that people CAN get rehabilitated. There are people who do. However, I agree with FatVin that they have to want to. All the treatment in the world doesn't help if a person doesn't use what they know or learn. That being said, I think that we all know it isn't just as easy as saying "I think today I'll stop doing Heroin".
Off my soapbox......
The context of this discussion from the outset was the halfway houses used for transitional parole from the state correctional system. I don't know what that other one you were talking about is for. If its not DOC, then just what are they getting halfway out of?
I do know that in the late 90s, I was nose to nose with the situation and if given the opportunity for self-defense, there wasn't one of those rotten bastards that I wouldn't have enjoyed sending straight to hell.
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
Good question.lonewolf wrote:The context of this discussion from the outset was the halfway houses used for transitional parole from the state correctional system. I don't know what that other one you were talking about is for. If its not DOC, then just what are they getting halfway out of?
Lex Luthor could've used a good halfway house.
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"If you're gonna drink and do drugs....do it on the hollidays." - Phil Anselmo.
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everyday must be a holiday to phil! hes become quite the herion fan i hear. he sure screwed up ozzfest '00 i saw with Pantera at nissan pavilion. he rambled on and on. then they cut the set short because he forgot lyrics!!! he would stop singing during a song. they played for like 15 or 20 mins...they had an hour. total letdown!
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Ron wrote:I disagree 100%. I obey my personal beliefs. Only when a law is justified in my own mind do I feel obliged to obey it. Read up on Harry Anslinger, a native of Hollidaysburg and the first "drug Czar". He pushed cannabis prohibition through our legislature based on falsehoods and fear tactics. He was a liar, a thief and a biggot.
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Just as it is the duty of all men to obey just laws, so it is the duty of all men to disobey unjust laws.
-- Martin Luther King Jr.
My body is my own, at least I have always so regarded it. If I do harm ... it is I who suffers, not the state.
-- Mark Twain
Every actual state is corrupt. Good men must not obey laws too well.
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
Power is the great evil with which we are contending. We have divided power between three branches of government and erected checks and balances to prevent abuse of power. However, where is the check on the power of the judiciary? If we fail to check the power of the judiciary, I predict that we will eventually live under judicial tyranny.
-- Patrick Henry
The jury has a right to judge both the law as well as the facts in controversy.
-- John Jay, 1st Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced.
-- Albert Einstein, My First Impression of the U.S.A., 1921
The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be.
-- Lao Tsu
There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
-- Ayn Rand
Law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
-- Thomas Jefferson
Thank you, Ron. It's been a rough week up here and you were my ray of Light today!

bassist_25, I don't know if you heard the rumor yesterday, about Joey's sister, but as my daughter said, "I wish people would SHUT UP and stop spreading RUMORS!"
Now, on to "Beans", alcohol and my understanding of "criminals". Actually, at the age of 42, I've never purchased any "Beans"...I've gotten "high with a little help from my friends", all my life!


we're not sure if he was looking down the barrel, leaning on it getting up and it just went off, or what exactly happened, but there were no powder burns on his face or around his eye. I'll never forget the last time I saw him alive, as I was leaving for Texas...he'd be 48 now. So YEAH Bit'chen, I can defend SOME "horrible" criminals, so sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities...one was once my only brother - I would hope someone would have done the same for him.
The Cocaine, Crack, Smack, Crystal Meth and Heroin Dealers messing LIVES up so bad? I like to imagine what someone else said...
"Hang 'em High" or take them out and shoot them...I have compassion,
I care, yes...but there's a limit.
(psssst, hey Toona: couldn't release Dahmer and McVeigh - they are both dead, rightfully so, in my opinion. Except for maybe Nichols, who is nothing but a "follower" schlep, all should meet the same fate...why waste the money? "An eye for an eye.")
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Yeah, I heard people saying that Megan was dead, but luckily I was filled in on the truth first. When things like this happen, it's ineveitable that the truth is going to get stretched in a million different directions. There's also a very grey area about who was actually driving the car, but I don't have any comment about that. That's up for the police and the courts to figure out.YankeeRose wrote: bassist_25, I don't know if you heard the rumor yesterday, about Joey's sister, but as my daughter said, "I wish people would SHUT UP and stop spreading RUMORS!"
I'm still trying to to find out when the funeral is going to be. It's not only sad that we all lost a friend, but Joey was also a very good human being.
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witchhunt wrote:What did Jeffrey Dahmer say to Lorena Bobbitt?
"You gonna eat that?"
Even though I just hate to repeat this, as it's disgusting, it's along the line of the above joke, so here goes:
Remember the "subject" of the above joke...
What did the Leper say to the Prostitute?
"Keep the tip."
EW!
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In PA there are halfway houses that are licensed through the Department of Health for people who are leaving a short-term rehab stay. People in these halfway houses get jobs, go to counseling, go to 12 step meetings, and learn how to function in day to day life without their drug of choice. Yes, some make it and some don't. This is the kind I was referring to....sorry for the confusion. Obviously different than DOC.The context of this discussion from the outset was the halfway houses used for transitional parole from the state correctional system. I don't know what that other one you were talking about is for. If its not DOC, then just what are they getting halfway out of?
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