What is Up In Altoona?

Quail Whale · Post by **Quail Whale** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

Aha, I tend to disagree. IF that happened, I truly think the government WOULD ban and burn all pine trees. It might take a few decades for them to plan it, pass laws, and actually do it, but there would be no more pine trees. I really believe that.

No, I think actually it wouldn't be the government......it would be the Catholic Church...they would admit that Christmas IS about Santa Claus & presents, buy all of the pine trees, and sell them to rich parishoners with glaucoma.

Bit*chenWomen1029 · Post by **Bit*chenWomen1029** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

ToonaRockGuy wrote:My only opinion on the whole pot thing is this:

It's ILLEGAL. Period.

I don't care who's for it or who's against it. The law says that it's illegal. And until that changes, I can't promote smoking it.

One of my rules in any band that I play in is no drugs. I've left bands because of it, but I've also put up with guys that smoke pot during breaks in a show. I don't condone it, I don't like it, and I don't do it. But if you want to risk a fine, criminal record, and jail time to catch a buzz, well, that's your business.

Beer does the same thing. And you can't go to jail for sitting in your house and having a beer.

BTW, if you are stoned and driving and get pulled over, you WILL get busted for DUI. Keith, you may think that you have control over yourself, and can drive or work fine while stoned, but you should be ready to deal with the consequences if you get pulled over, my friend. Just a word of caution. It's not really that you have more control while driving, you've just been lucky so far.

WEll said and i agree 100 %

Post by **Ron** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

Bit*chenWomen1029 wrote:
ToonaRockGuy wrote:My only opinion on the whole pot thing is this:

It's ILLEGAL. Period.
WEll said and i agree 100 %

I disagree 100%. I obey my personal beliefs. Only when a law is justified in my own mind do I feel obliged to obey it. Read up on Harry Anslinger, a native of Hollidaysburg and the first "drug Czar". He pushed cannabis prohibition through our legislature based on falsehoods and fear tactics. He was a liar, a thief and a biggot.

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Just as it is the duty of all men to obey just laws, so it is the duty of all men to disobey unjust laws.
-- Martin Luther King Jr.

My body is my own, at least I have always so regarded it. If I do harm ... it is I who suffers, not the state.
-- Mark Twain

Every actual state is corrupt. Good men must not obey laws too well.
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Power is the great evil with which we are contending. We have divided power between three branches of government and erected checks and balances to prevent abuse of power. However, where is the check on the power of the judiciary? If we fail to check the power of the judiciary, I predict that we will eventually live under judicial tyranny.
-- Patrick Henry

The jury has a right to judge both the law as well as the facts in controversy.
-- John Jay, 1st Chief Justice of the Supreme Court

The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced.
-- Albert Einstein, My First Impression of the U.S.A., 1921

The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be.
-- Lao Tsu

There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
-- Ayn Rand

Law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
-- Thomas Jefferson

We're not really going to get anywhere until we take the criminality out of drugs.
-- Secretary of State George P. Schultz, December 18, 1989

PastaJoe · Post by **PastaJoe** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

Ron, I was waiting for you to chime in...well put!

Ron Nearhoof for PRESIDENT!!

HurricaneBob · Post by **HurricaneBob** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

Fuckin right! Id blow a smoke ring of kind bud right in your face, what you goona do bout that?

Post by **Ron** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

Inhale.

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

Drugs are bad, M'kay...

You don't have to live your life addicted to smack,
homeless on the street, giving hand jobs for crack.
Follow my plan and very well soon you'll say...
it's easy MMMMMMMMM'Kay!

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

welcome to the jungle...
we got fun and games...
we got everything you need..
we got your disease!
now your gonna BLEED!!

PastaJoe · Post by **PastaJoe** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

LOL!

I have one word...

...VAPE!

SpellboundByMetal · Post by **SpellboundByMetal** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

you are the MAN Ron!!! those are EXCELLENT quotes!!! thank you for those!
probably no one will want to work with me now, which is cool i guess...its fuckin stupid, but cool. i dont push it on anyone. ill never pressure anyone to do it. if someone DOESNT like me JUST because i smoke. fine, "FUCKA YOUA". hopefully there wont be some dumbass dividing line betwen people who smoke and people who dont. that would be stupid. i dont like drinking, but im not gonna dislike someone because they drink! ignorance!

i say again: damn, Ron, fuckin great quotes.

Post by **Ron** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

M'Kay.

witchhunt · Post by **witchhunt** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

I'll have to agree with Staceman. People who control the weed have no problem. People who let the weed control them have a problem. How 'bout this...Legalize it for personal use if you're 18 or older and make the sentences for harder drugs extremely stiff. I think a lot of people would be happy with their smoke.
And Rob, Superman doesn't get stoned cause Lobo kicks his ass when he's straight. Let alone fucked up.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

Ron wrote:
Bit*chenWomen1029 wrote:
ToonaRockGuy wrote:My only opinion on the whole pot thing is this:

It's ILLEGAL. Period.
WEll said and i agree 100 %
I disagree 100%. I obey my personal beliefs. Only when a law is justified in my own mind do I feel obliged to obey it. Read up on Harry Anslinger, a native of Hollidaysburg and the first "drug Czar". He pushed cannabis prohibition through our legislature based on falsehoods and fear tactics. He was a liar, a thief and a biggot.

So, does that mean that you twist them up at the corner of Calder Alley and Fraser St?

We used to do that when the Scorpion was still open, but I don't think the cops coming out of the Police Station rear entrance cared much.

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

Ron wrote:
Bit*chenWomen1029 wrote:
ToonaRockGuy wrote:My only opinion on the whole pot thing is this:

It's ILLEGAL. Period.
WEll said and i agree 100 %
I disagree 100%. I obey my personal beliefs. Only when a law is justified in my own mind do I feel obliged to obey it.

This is turning into a very thought-provoking thread.

But taking your statement, Ron, should we release folks like Jeffery Dahmer, Charles Manson, David Berkowitz, Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, or Robert Pickton? Some of the worst mass murderers in history believed that their actions were justified and right.

So did Hitler...

Post by **Ron** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

lonewolf wrote:
Ron wrote: I disagree 100%. I obey my personal beliefs. Only when a law is justified in my own mind do I feel obliged to obey it. Read up on Harry Anslinger, a native of Hollidaysburg and the first "drug Czar". He pushed cannabis prohibition through our legislature based on falsehoods and fear tactics. He was a liar, a thief and a biggot.
So, does that mean that you twist them up at the corner of Calder Alley and Fraser St?

We used to do that when the Scorpion was still open, but I don't think the cops coming out of the Police Station rear entrance cared much.

Ah... the Scorpion... I miss that place, even though I once got thrown out for hanging off of one of those wagon wheels they had hanging above the tables.
I have chatted with Prof. Julian Heicklen when he used to have the smokeouts near the Old Main lawn every Thursday.

Post by **Ron** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

ToonaRockGuy wrote: This is turning into a very thought-provoking thread.

But taking your statement, Ron, should we release folks like Jeffery Dahmer, Charles Manson, David Berkowitz, Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, or Robert Pickton? Some of the worst mass murderers in history believed that their actions were justified and right.

So did Hitler...

You forgot Ted Kaczynski.

I guess if I was twisted enough to think that mass murder was justifiable, then maybe I'd join Bobby Lee in snuffing out a few drifters.

Do you think that Rosa Parks should have listened to the driver and moved to the back of the bus? It was ILLEGAL for her to sit up front.

Here's some more reading:
Henry David Thoreau's "Civil Disobedience"

SpellboundByMetal · Post by **SpellboundByMetal** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

well, serial killer's choices affect other people in a very negative way. me or you or anyone smoking doesnt affect anyone but us & our lungs. its personal choice. it only affects ME. if i want to die horribly from THC poisoning (haha) and be "poor" and "have nothing" like apparently pot does to people(another haha) it again is MY choice, right.

PastaJoe · Post by **PastaJoe** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

ToonaRockGuy wrote:

This is turning into a very thought-provoking thread.

But taking your statement, Ron, should we release folks like Jeffery Dahmer, Charles Manson, David Berkowitz, Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, or Robert Pickton? Some of the worst mass murderers in history believed that their actions were justified and right.

So did Hitler...

It's F@#$king WEED MAN! Easy, nobody gets hurt. How can you even compare the two?

witchhunt · Post by **witchhunt** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

Hi ToonaRockGuy,
How's it goin', eh? Well, I hope.
I must comment on a few of your posts, if I may. One time your shouting ILLEGAL. I hate junkies. Then you're badmouthing our most beloved serial killers. First of all, Charlie didn't kill anyone. Sammy was simply fulfilling the requests of the neighborhood German Shepherd. McVeigh and Nichols, well, just a little pissed at our government, wouldn't you say. This leads us to Dahmer, who feasted almost exclusively on immigrant, fag, JUNKIES. Just a tad ironic.

To be taken tongue in cheek...for the most part.
By the way (seriously) who is Robert Pickton?

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

Weed is not the point of my post, Joe. Read what Ron wrote. If you look for a moment at things as black and white (which I tend to do, it makes my life easier), then you'll see the point of my post.

I'm not trying to piss anyone off. Just trying to have a mature discussion. I'm not at all worked up or pissed, just trying to promote more dialogue on this. It's nice to have the "we ain't retarded musicians" thread going on, and I'm enjoying it tremendously.

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

witchhunt wrote:Hi ToonaRockGuy,
How's it goin', eh? Well, I hope.
I must comment on a few of your posts, if I may. One time your shouting ILLEGAL. I hate junkies. Then you're badmouthing our most beloved serial killers. First of all, Charlie didn't kill anyone. Sammy was simply fulfilling the requests of the neighborhood German Shepherd. McVeigh and Nichols, well, just a little pissed at our government, wouldn't you say. This leads us to Dahmer, who feasted almost exclusively on immigrant, fag, JUNKIES. Just a tad ironic.

To be taken tongue in cheek...for the most part.
By the way (seriously) who is Robert Pickton?

Bill,

ROTFL!

On the Pickton issue, he was a mass murderer charged with killing at least 15 women in Vancouver, Canada. More info can be found here:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_kill ... ton/1.html

HurricaneBob · Post by **HurricaneBob** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

So, imgrimm01 kills hitchikers when he's stone sober..

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

I killed Hurricane's kick drum head once. Don't remember if I was sober or not though...

witchhunt · Post by **witchhunt** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

Thanks for the link. IMGRIMM01 ROCKS!

witchhunt · Post by **witchhunt** » Thursday Oct 13, 2005

Kev,
Leave the drum head alone and kill that hat.