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SpellboundByMetal wrote:i personally dont get "fucked up" from weed.
Then, why do you smoke it? Cigarettes are much less expensive.
SpellboundByMetal wrote:if you get "fucked up" ...then youre NOT smoking weed.
I'm not even sure what to say in response to that, so I'll just say ...

?!?!?!?!??!?!?

Red Kryptonite has a similar affect on Superman as weed has on the average person ...

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baddazerob,
i have the movie GRASS. woody harrelson narrates it. i will copy it for you or you can borrow it. i will make ANYONE a copy of it for free. it shows historical FACTS.
its VERY interesting to see how things evolved and the motivation behind the decisions. i dont wanna change anyones mind on pot, really. i just dont think potheads should be in the same category as crack addicts or herion addicts. no one seemed to stand up for us 'heads, so i stepped foreward to say what alot were thinking.
i consider myself a good person. i am compassionate and i DO have morals. i believe in GOD. i read the Bible....not as often as i should. i am by no means a perfect person ..or anyones role model...nor do i want to be.
i dont abuse marijuana.....i treat it VERY nice. :)
i know some peoples views of me may change, but thats ok. i cannot and will not hide who i am. i wouldnt be true to myself if i did that.

of course people who smoke weed get stoned...but "fucked up" ? no way. id be fucked up if i drank alcohol. drunk, you cant do what you can do sober. stoned ..you can. atleast I can and the people i know can.
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The reason why this substance is legal and that substance is illegal is more political than medical. I think if Jefferson and the other founders knew that we had laws to ban what a person puts in his body they would be shocked. But it's politics and anything goes.

It's been my experience that the worst thing that happens as a result of Marijuana use is the felonius assalut on a bag of Doritoes. Other countries, namley the Netherlands and Canada don't have half the problems with grass that they do with alcohol.

having said that I must also point out that, Some people can handle grass or alcohol and some people can't and that's just how it is, addiction is the lack of control nothing more, nothing less. It is a medical problem and should be treated that way.

More powerful drugs like Cocaine, Heroine, LSD, Ecstacy, Nobody can handle, (if you think you're "handling" your herion use, wait for it, it'll handle you soon enough) they all had medical uses at one time but the recreational use of them leads to irresponsible behavior and that's the big deal.

What a person chooses to put in their body is their business, what they do as result of their chemical intake is Very much a social problem.

It isn't that your stoned or high, it's that you're stoned or high and decide to drive, or decide to break a window, or decide you can fly, is the problem. The problem is that you decide that you would rather have that drink or that smoke or that shot than be a responsible, productive member of the community, that goes for alcohol too.

The only solution that has worked historically is 12-step programs and medical treatment. Nothing else has even come close.

These halfway houses that everyone is bitching about are an attempt to clean up the mess of people's irresponsibility. Most halfway houses and recovery homes are based on the idea of getting the "patient" involved in a 12-step program of some kind which is all fine and well but a 12-step program has it's limits.

The individual in question has to really want to stop using the substance in question.

otherwise it's a waste of time. The courts do this all the time: "DUI? okay, dry em out and send em to a bunch of 12 step meetings" but if that person doesn't want to stop drinking/using all the meetings in the world ain't gonna do no good.

you take a drunken horse thief and dry em out, ya still got a horse thief

These halfway houses aren't the problem, they are the only real attempt at a solution that makes any kind of sense.

The real problem is economic, it's easier to be drunk/stoned than it is to be poor and that's a fact. Solve that one you got a shot.
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Just be glad were not under water, then our guns and drugs would be useless.
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All of my pothead friends are susceptible to nodding off awhile after smoking weed. As a reformed pothead, I know that anybody who tells me they don't get this effect is full of shit. It is a depressant. It causes drowsiness. This is a fact.

Let me tell you the story of my pothead friend who fell asleep at the wheel and crashed into a telephone pole in Hollidaysburg. The same pothead fell asleep at the wheel a year later while traveling in the opposite direction and took out the telephone pole across the street. This is a problem-smoker. Most under-the-influence accidents are also asleep-at-the-wheel accidents. How many are from pot? At least 2 that I know of.

This is just one example of how pot is NOT harmless to society at large.
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BadDazeRob wrote:
A few other points:
• Bitchen: We get it, you don’t smoke weed and you hate those who do.
• Spellbound: We get it, you smoke weed and think it’s OK.

You are both entitled to your viewpoints and I respect both, but I don’t think either of you are going to convince the other to have a change of heart so maybe it’s time to stop with the volley of sales pitches.

I would like to see that documentary, “Grass." Is this something you can rent?

Finally, Clark Kent’s adopted Earth father, Jonathan Kent, was a farmer in Smallville, Kansas, and he grew marijuana between his corn stalks.

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lonewolf wrote:All of my pothead friends are susceptible to nodding off awhile after smoking weed. As a reformed pothead, I know that anybody who tells me they don't get this effect is full of shit. It is a depressant. It causes drowsiness. This is a fact.

Let me tell you the story of my pothead friend who fell asleep at the wheel and crashed into a telephone pole in Hollidaysburg. The same pothead fell asleep at the wheel a year later while traveling in the opposite direction and took out the telephone pole across the street. This is a problem-smoker. Most under-the-influence accidents are also asleep-at-the-wheel accidents. How many are from pot? At least 2 that I know of.

This is just one example of how pot is NOT harmless to society at large.
THANK GOD!!! thank god someone who does smoke, admits to the drowsiness droned out feeling!!! Spell bound you are just an iddiot!! Well maybe thats kinda harsh considering i dont really know you but you are driving me nuts here,,,, probably like 50% of my aunts uncles do this shit everyday 24-7..... Thats how i know!!! like i said i see it every day!!!

ANOTHER reason why im against any drugs!! I know you have your facts about why you do it etc.... i think i had to defend my side ,,, for the same reason that my aunts/uncles are just like you with your opinion on how its not a drug etc!! Thats more of why i became to the defensive!!!

Like it was said i have my opinion you have yours,NO hard feelings!!!
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just sit back and imagine what altoona would be like if we had a hurricane katrina here ! Can you just imagine all the looting etc.

All though i can see myself hitting up the bank , lmao
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kudos to FatVin.

I think the biggest thing that everyone here arguing about weed keeps failing to mention, is that there are those of us that can do it in moderation, and do it in a purely recreational way.

Yes, it does have the potential to screw up people's lives. I've known "potheads" that blow money on it that they should have been spending elsewhere. I know ones that will do it no matter what they are doing, be it working at a job or whatever, and they will do it no matter what time of day it is. And they'll spend a lot of time and resources in the pursuit of it. These kind of people disgust me, sorry, and are why most "straight" people have such a low opinion of anyone who uses marijuana. It's abusing it.

I view it and use it the same way I do alcohol. When the day is done, all responsibilities are taken care of, and I want to unwind and maybe relax a little, I might take a few puffs, just as a responsible beer drinker would crack open a cold one under the same circumstances. Or I myself might just have a beer or two. Or maybe I'd just go to bed without doing either. Or when the weekend comes, and it's night time and time to party, and I don't have to drive anywhere, I'll do a lot. And yeah, I can get "all fucked up" from it if I do enough, or if I mix it with beer. But you also have to keep in mind how it can affect different people in different ways. But you can't OD from it.

There's lots of people like this, that can do it and not have it interfere in anyway whatsoever with their normal day-to-day life. Unfortunately, there are also lot of people that are the opposite, and give the rest of us a bad name.

If you're going to condemn people like me that can "handle it", then you had better condemn Mr. Joe Sixpack, who is lounging back in his easy chair at night, watching TV, slamming down a few cold ones, not driving anywhere, not hurting anyone, not even himself, really. Oh, that's right, beer isn't illegal, how dare I put myself in the same league as Joe Sixpack; I am a criminal. ;)
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Forgive me if I get quotes wrong but when I went back and forth doing copy and paste I kept losing my post, so bear with me cause I really want to comment on these things. With all due repect bitchenwomen because it is your opinion, but you said I CANT STAND ANYONE WHO DOES THIS SHIT, you mean pot too, huh? Wow, that is extremely judgemental & sad. You can't stand a lot of people, whether they have anything to do with you and you life or not, huh? WEED KILLS PEOPLE. Well, no comment, that is just ridiculous.
Then you said something about ALL THE PEOPLE I KNOW WHO SMOKE WEED HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Well, I don't know how old you are or what area you live in (those would be factors) but I know many people who are successful and happy, some are what I would even call wealthy, and they smoke pot, maybe not everyday but you seem to make no distinctions. Moderation in everything is what I believe. Sorry about YOUR friends. I must agree with spellbound on a few points...yes I think the government has many people bamboozeled about marijuana, for many reasons. They do want us to think it is worse than what it is. I also agree when spellbound said, YOUR FRIENDS MUST BE "ON' SOMETHING ELSE. That may well be true. Which leads me to my next point where I DISAGREE with spellbound when he said POT IS NOT A GATEWAY DRUG. I totally disagree, I feel that pot is def a gateway drug, but in a purely social way. For example, of all the people you know that smokes pot, at least one does something else or can GET you something else. It is definitely a connection gateway. No way around that. And also spellbound, when you said about kids that smoke pot, their parents just don't care. That is ridiculous. What a broad statement, and one who has never had kids should say that. Torn & frayed, you propose (although maybe I'm wrong its just what I gathered from your comment about school, God, and government) we mix church & state? HMMmmm, thats where the trouble begins in a country, trouble that may not manifest itself right away but that thinking goes against what our country was founded upon, and everyone but GWB knows it is wrong. Bring Christ into the Ballot Box? I still don't know how he got away with that one. Geetarz, great post about what heroin does to a life, very well said. Thank God most of us (us? did I say us?) who smoke do not go through that gateway. And, once again, I must say kudos to Fat Vin whose post I totally agreed with. Bassist, so sorry about your friend. OK I'm done now, sorry if I offended anyone. :?
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The gateway drug thing...

Only in the sense of how ZappasXWife put it- chances are, someone in the circle of people that you first experienced weed with, will have access to the harder drugs, and will probably offer you some. (maybe this is where "proper" education would come in. I think the movie "Sid and Nancy" should be shown to all kids in school at an early age. But I digress...)

But in and of itself, doing weed doesn't give you the urge to do other drugs. I've never sat down high one day and thought "damn, I really gots to try me some heroin..." ;)
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drowsiness? hahahahahahahahahahahahaaa. what else was your friend doing?
to zappasxwife, fatvin & staceman- you all kick ass. very good points!

to the people that never tried weed or tried it once- you dont know what youre talking about. ive driven stoned 100's of times...if not 1000's
ive NEVER gotten into and accident or even gotten a speeding ticket. how does that happen when weed "fucks you up"? ive worked jobs stoned....even jobs with money involved....and guess what ...i didnt mess up!!! i have more control over myself. someone that tries it for the first time, of course theyre gonna act like a jackass. so did the people who drank for the first time. i think you are totally stereotyping potheads just because YOU dont do it. getting drunk is cool though, right?
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just wanted to say that when i said weed kills too, i was meanning over a long period of time,,, Just my opinion...

You may be right when you say that they may be on harder stuff, but as i was saying i only know of weed and thats just how i see them all the time. Its still sickening, to sit back and see people like that.
i also want to empathize that when i said i cant stand anyone who does " marijuana", I will retract this statement as " i cant stand being around anyone who is on it!!! THats a difference.
you didnt offend me , thanks for your opinion!!

Sorry if i offended any of you "smokers", however my opinion is MY opinion. Just how i see and feel about it!!!
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Look, Marijuana is a gateway drug BECAUSE you have to go to the criminal element in order to get it. DUH!!!

Ban Chewing gum, and you will get the same effect.

Canada and the Netherlands, don't have pot problems like we do here in the states chiefly because pot is tolerated if not actually legal in specific areas, and you don't have to engage in criminal activity to get it

Should a person who drives while stoned be put in jail YES and for the same reason you jail a drunk driver, not so much for the chemical but for being such a colossal dumbass as to drive while under the influence.

If you smoke pot or inbibe ANY intoxicating chemical in any way shape or form and leave the house,without somebody who is not intoxicated to drive for you, it's criminally dumbass behavior.

It's not the pot, it's not the booze, it's not the powder, it's the intelligence (or severe lack therof) of the the user. Marijuana isn't dangerous at all, it's the dumbass who smokes it, then gets in a car and takes off on the highway that's dangerous!!

The Germans don't have this kind of trouble with beer, and they drink WAY more than Americans do, but when I lived there in the late 80's if you got caught driving while intoxicated you had better give your soul to Jesus cause your ass belonged to the German Gov't and even the the US military couldn't save you.

if you drink and drive, or smoke pot and drive; or take acid or ecstasy and drive; or snort cocaine or whatever and drive :

YOU ARE A DUMBASS and you're gonna kill somebody
That's what should be and is illegal, so stop it.

more laws to ban this or that are kind of pointless politcal BS so Congressman Smith and Senator Jones can look tough on crime wiithot actually doing anything

just like guns, weed doesn't kill people, stupidity kills people

We should raise money to cure stupidity

You wanna smoke pot, go for it, but stay in the house and order pizza, will ya,

wanna come out and see this band,or that, and have a few beers, great, but take a turn and be the designated driver, if only, so you and your friends can avoid wrapping the Yellow Nissan 'round the old oak tree and can come see us again sometime. and when it's your turn not to drive, you can drink till ya puke, for all I care, as long as somebody else is driving

Heroin?, Cocaine?, etc, . . .eliminate the middle man and call the undertaker right now, but in the mean time, stay off the fucking roads, . . . . .dumbass!
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Bit*chenWomen1029 wrote:just wanted to say that when i said weed kills too, i was meanning over a long period of time,,, Just my opinion
Exactly, you're generalizing from your subjective experience, not making objective statemenets based on research that can be found in a credible source, such as a peer-reviewed journal. Unfortuantley, we don't have the full scope of most drugs' potential negative or positive effects because the government attempts to block drug research (unless it's done by a major pharmaceutical company) at every corner by either outlawing it or making it near impossible to recieve the funding to conduct such research. It doesn't take a brilliant observer to see that herion destroys lives, but we still don't have the full-scope on HOW herion destroys lives. As Vinny pointed out, many drug laws have more to do with protectnig special interest groups rather than protecting the public.

But I can generalize too. I know many people who consume marijuana or have consumed marijuana during their life, and they are financially successful, intelligent, good citizens and stand-up parents to their children. I also know many of the stereotypical lethargic stoners. But while we're generalizing here, I'll say that many of them would probaly be losers with or withour pot.

Again, I don't condemn nor condone recreational drug use for anyone. I just think that we need to look at things objectively. I've always found erowid.com to be one of the most objective sources containing information about drugs.

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I once asked an immigrant from the Pittsburgh area, who had been in trouble once herself and has a son on death row, why do these people like a little podunk area like ours?... There's nothing to do, much distrust of outsiders, not much work... Why us?
Economics. This was 7 or 8 years ago... she explained that a crack rock sells for a mere $5.00 street level in Pittsburgh. The same amount sold for $20.00 at the Penn Alto. A 300% profit, and the only effort required was a pleasant 2 hour drive, and a visit with a local homey. Not to mention the local mouth-breathers will buy the stuff up like candy.
Of course, crack is in a bear market right now, as meth and "The H" are the kings currently, but you get the idea. The secret to it all is an overabundance of dumb-asses who've been schooled on the dangers of hard drugs since toddler-hood.
I've said it before... the hard stuff is God's way of sorting out the stupid people, and I feel no pain for them. Where it sucks is when they start taking from, and hurting people who are smart enough to avoid the hard stuff. Again, we need to convince these people that swandiving from tall buildings packs an awesome buzz, then clean up the problem with a scoop-shovel. :twisted: -------->JMS
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i take driving seriously. i wear my seatbelt everytime. most of the people around here dont. i have to tell people to wear it.
theres NO WAY all the drunkards have drivers. so alot of people are driving drunk. thats a fuckin fact!!!!!! alcohol impairs. weed doesnt...atleast not me...maybe IM superman. i never have been "not in control" unless i drank. which i DONT do and HAVENT done for a few years. i never drive when im tired. i hate driving in fact. but like i said, ive never been pulled over, should that tell you something? i obey ALL traffic laws and dont speed. i am alert and aware of my surroundings. i always look out for jackass drivers. would you call your fans dumbasses for driving home after your show at a bar? you KNOW they were drinking and/or smoking. i think its all about convience, really.

dumb bastards talking on their cell phones while driving are far worse!
and you see that ALL the time!!!!
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Anyone know where I can score a big fat sack of kind bud???? (just kidding)
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I know this thread has veered way off the original topic, Altoona's crime problem, but let me throw a quick two cents' worth in about the pot debate...

What has always baffled me about the debate is that marijuana is a plant, not a manufactured drug. Banning and eradicating it is akin to eliminating a whole plant species!

Suppose, for the sake of argument, that some genius devises a way to get high off of pine tree needles. Is the government going to turn around and ban all pine trees, burn our pine forests, and order everyone to remove the things from their yards and deep-six the Christmas tree industry? I don't think so!

I think likewise, it is a losing battle to eradicate marijuana, because all anyone needs is seeds, some concealed space and sunlight or a flourescent lamp, and it grows! It's a prolific plant, and you're never going to totally wipe it out! And in an ethical sense, doing so would be wiping out an entire species of plant life! God knows I've never succeeded in getting all the crabgrass out of my own backyard, how can the government ever wipe out all marijuana plants from an entire nation?

On the legalization issue, Ive always leaned towards legalization of marijuana, with the stipulation of regulating it like alcohol. You have to be a certain age - say, 21 - to use the stuff, and can't be driving around while under the influence. Most pot smokers I've met use it recreationally as Staceman suggests, in the privacy of their own home, to unwind after work, or to perhaps catch a buzz before a concert, etc. Like anything else, there are those who will abuse it, but anything can be abused, including prescription and over the counter medications, glue, aerosol sprays, etc. I would also tend to think that legalizing pot would put it in the marketplace and reduce the need of users to go through illegal dealers to get it, thus reducing their overall contact with dealers wanting to sell them harder stuff. The sale of pot could be regulated like alcohol sales. The state could make tax money off the sales (like alcohol or tobacco).

Personally, I think pot is overrated. I've puffed on a few legal cigars that gave me more of a buzz than being in the vicinity of pot ever has!
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songsmith- to say that hard drugs is God's way of sorting out stupid people is just fuckin stupid. GOD didnt make crack...heroin.....or meth or any of that.
theyre man made drugs, dude. God doesnt want to "sort" anyone out.
i shouldnt have to tell you that, man. God doesnt want people to feel so hopeless and desolate. why would you think that?!? are you in a cult?


good points, JP
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Jim Price wrote:I know this thread has veered way off the original topic, Altoona's crime problem, but let me throw a quick two cents' worth in about the pot debate...

What has always baffled me about the debate is that marijuana is a plant, not a manufactured drug. Banning and eradicating it is akin to eliminating a whole plant species!

Suppose, for the sake of argument, that some genius devises a way to get high off of pine tree needles. Is the government going to turn around and ban all pine trees, burn our pine forests, and order everyone to remove the things from their yards and deep-six the Christmas tree industry? I don't think so!

I think likewise, it is a losing battle to eradicate marijuana, because all anyone needs is seeds, some concealed space and sunlight or a flourescent lamp, and it grows! It's a prolific plant, and you're never going to totally wipe it out! And in an ethical sense, doing so would be wiping out an entire species of plant life! God knows I've never succeeded in getting all the crabgrass out of my own backyard, how can the government ever wipe out all marijuana plants from an entire nation?

On the legalization issue, Ive always leaned towards legalization of marijuana, with the stipulation of regulating it like alcohol. You have to be a certain age - say, 21 - to use the stuff, and can't be driving around while under the influence. Most pot smokers I've met use it recreationally as Staceman suggests, in the privacy of their own home, to unwind after work, or to perhaps catch a buzz before a concert, etc. Like anything else, there are those who will abuse it, but anything can be abused, including prescription and over the counter medications, glue, aerosol sprays, etc. I would also tend to think that legalizing pot would put it in the marketplace and reduce the need of users to go through illegal dealers to get it, thus reducing their overall contact with dealers wanting to sell them harder stuff. The sale of pot could be regulated like alcohol sales. The state could make tax money off the sales (like alcohol or tobacco).

Personally, I think pot is overrated. I've puffed on a few legal cigars that gave me more of a buzz than being in the vicinity of pot ever has!
I tend to agree with this .. I always said that if they do legalize it and put restrictions on it like alcohol it would lower the crime rate and lower the number of people who go from it to harder stuff. There are a number of pros and cons with both things.

And Spellbound, you can't believe everything you see on tv. What Woody Harrelson has mostly been spouting about is the the good affects of making marijuana legal for medial use. Not for recreational use. I've seen him on numerous interviews about it and he said that people keep getting confused as to what he is talking about. People see the words legalize it and they immediately think more than what he is talking about ..
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I've kinda always had that double-standard feeling about that too, JP.

Outlawing the harvest of an indigenous plant that grows wild and was harvested for use by the government right up until recent times? It seems kinda pointless and illogical. Of course, you can't get much more than a headache from rope-grade hemp.

I just think that under present circumstances, smoking rope is a huge waste of time and way too expensive (I remember commercial Z's for $15). I see a lot of potheads freaking out when its dry and they waste a good deal of time and money procuring it. These people are no different than gamblers. And for what? It sure as hell ain't much of a buzz for all ya go thru and all ya pay.

For those who think they are somehow "enhanced" when they smoke weed, let me explain how that works: First you are stoned and then you become a legend in your own mind!
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f.sciarrillo- woody doesnt need it for medicinal use!!! hes a huge pot supporter. what do you think he smokes it for???? recreation!
he can say whatever he wants in interviews...but then hes going home and tokin up eating some pizza hut. i dont need a "go ahead its ok" card because it IS ok. us 'heads dont harm anyone. instead of beating wives and puking...we smoke and relax. or write music or play xbox.....hardly criminal.
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JP said
Suppose, for the sake of argument, that some genius devises a way to get high off of pine tree needles. Is the government going to turn around and ban all pine trees, burn our pine forests, and order everyone to remove the things from their yards and deep-six the Christmas tree industry? I don't think so!
Aha, I tend to disagree. IF that happened, I truly think the government WOULD ban and burn all pine trees. It might take a few decades for them to plan it, pass laws, and actually do it, but there would be no more pine trees. I really believe that.
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My only opinion on the whole pot thing is this:

It's ILLEGAL. Period.

I don't care who's for it or who's against it. The law says that it's illegal. And until that changes, I can't promote smoking it.

One of my rules in any band that I play in is no drugs. I've left bands because of it, but I've also put up with guys that smoke pot during breaks in a show. I don't condone it, I don't like it, and I don't do it. But if you want to risk a fine, criminal record, and jail time to catch a buzz, well, that's your business.

Beer does the same thing. And you can't go to jail for sitting in your house and having a beer.

BTW, if you are stoned and driving and get pulled over, you WILL get busted for DUI. Keith, you may think that you have control over yourself, and can drive or work fine while stoned, but you should be ready to deal with the consequences if you get pulled over, my friend. Just a word of caution. It's not really that you have more control while driving, you've just been lucky so far.
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