GOT GAS?

[f.sciarrillo]

How about sheetz and unimart running out ?? Isn't that something ..

[YankeeRose]

[YankeeRose]

Does anyone really believe that Dubya or Cheney are worth under 1 million each and that their money is in a "blind trust"? If you DO, you know what? There really IS a Santa, Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy! By the way, isn't it TRUE it only costs OPEC roughly $4 to produce a barrel of Oil? The REST is just PURE profit...like the "fat cats" in this country who are "in bed" with them are eating up! "Liberal Media"? Give me a freaking break! I know he won't be and this is not the most professionally done site in the world, but it will tell you what the Media in this country will not. www.impeachbush.org The answer is NOT in "Fusion", perish the thought! How about in CLEAN Alternative Fuels, that would not put all of the current Fuel Stations or Refineries out of business, nor make all of the vehicles out there obsolete? Some kind of "Gas" made from our own "home grown" grains or vegetables, for starters? (Not Ethanol - that is Alcohol based, is it not? Most vehicles, due to plastic parts, of course aren't compatible with it.) I've seen cars on Discovery and TLC that run on used fryer oil from fast food places, which is Vegetable oil! Instead of our farmers being paid Subsidies to not grow crops, we could tell the Emirs and Sultans to shove their Oil! There is Synthetic Oil, too. We do not need Fossil Fuels to run our cars. Until we the people DEMAND a change, nothing will and it will continue to be "business as usual".






Peace,
YankeeRose

[Imgrimm01]

This is SO true they are FILTHY rich and continue to get richer, and Yankee you couldn't be more right about their finances they know what they have, That is unless it's too high of a number for Bush to get his simple mind around that is. as far as Liberal media is concerned why did the Clinton blowjob stay in the news for months BUT Karl Marx I mean Rove's CIA outing was a tag line on the evening news and went away and FOX NEWS mumbled it under their breath one morning about 3 am, then GONE !!

[lonewolf]

Does anyone really believe that Dubya or Cheney are worth under 1 million each and that their money is in a "blind trust"?

They are worth considerably more than a million each, but those assets are in a blind trust while they are in office.

Believe me, if they didn't have blind trusts, you would hear about it from the media every day until they did. Its not something a president can get away with anymore.

Dubya's taxable income was less than a million, not his net worth.

Here's his and John Kerry's net worth according to Yahoo:

http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20040823.html

Compared to Kerry (with Heinz), Dubya is just a garden variety millionaire.

BTW, I wasn't talking about fusion for cars, roflmao. I was talking about power plants. Its much cleaner than any method that requires burning fuel and there isn't anywhere near the problem of radioactive waste that there is with fission. The fuel is deuterium and tritium...hydrogen.

[Ron]

How about in CLEAN Alternative Fuels, that would not put all of the current Fuel Stations or Refineries out of business, nor make all of the vehicles out there obsolete? Some kind of "Gas" made from our own "home grown" grains or vegetables, for starters? (Not Ethanol - that is Alcohol based, is it not? Most vehicles, due to plastic parts, of course aren't compatible with it.) I've seen cars on Discovery and TLC that run on used fryer oil from fast food places, which is Vegetable oil! Instead of our farmers being paid Subsidies to not grow crops, we could tell the Emirs and Sultans to shove their Oil! There is Synthetic Oil, too. We do not need Fossil Fuels to run our cars. Until we the people DEMAND a change, nothing will and it will continue to be "business as usual".

Ethanol is OK with plastic, it's natural rubber that it destroys. Any car made after '94 will have synthetic rubber fuel lines that aren't succeptible.
The original diesel engine was designed and made to run on peanut oil. The only problem with veggie oils are that they are too viscous. Preheating the oil will allow it to be fluid enough to not clog the fuel system.

[bassist_25]

Doesn't it cost like $1.30 worth of gas to produce $1.00 worth of ethanol?

[Ron]

Doesn't it cost like $1.30 worth of gas to produce $1.00 worth of ethanol?

It would take zero as long as the processing was done with a clean electrical source, and the transportation was done using a clean fuel like biodiesel or the ethanol itself.

I think that a lot of people don't realize the real power of the sun. Every bit of fossil fuel we unearth originally got it's energy from the sun. Every second that the sun is shining, we are wasting the real fuel needed to save our planet.

[ChaosRisingRice]

Right now it is 3.39 where i am at. It was 3.75 yesterday and it finally dropped. But what is really screwed up was friday morning when i got off my first job at 830 in the morning i filled up with 3.19 gallon. By the time i got off my second job like ten hours later it was 3.75 that was crazy. How much is it where ever you guys are?

[lonewolf]

I think that a lot of people don't realize the real power of the sun. Every bit of fossil fuel we unearth originally got it's energy from the sun. Every second that the sun is shining, we are wasting the real fuel needed to save our planet.

You got that right! I was just thinking about this today while pondering land for a new house. The construction industry has all but ignored solar designs that are now cost effective. Passive solar for heat, air conditioning and hot water. Active solar to power DC devices on DC wiring (including AC generators) that runs side by side with AC. While the efficiencies are not quite there for producing the megawatt levels needed for commercial power distribution, the technology works great for individual homes and the like. Combined with windmills and geothermal, an individual home could be made utility free and maybe even generate enough to get a monthly check from the electric company.

All these alternative energy sources are great, but the vast majority of people won't bother with it as long as there is a seemingly endless supply of cheap oil.

[Ron]

Absolutely.
What most people don't realize is that all of those technologies can be combined to really sustain ourselves individually. Any generating device that you can put on the grid will pay off in the long run. When I build my next house, it will be completely energy dependent. Completely. I'll be connected to the grid just to MAKE money.

If you ran every tractor-trailer in America on biodiesel, and gave nice, chunky tax incentives to people who have the means and brains to generate their own electricity, then we would have the kind of federal energy policy our country needs.

Gasoline someday will (and should) be a luxury, one pump at the "gas" station that has petrol based fuel for your old Mustang. The rest would be biodiesel, alchohol, electric, and maybe hydrogen.

[YankeeRose]

They are worth considerably more than a million each, but those assets are in a blind trust while they are in office.

Believe me, if they didn't have blind trusts, you would hear about it from the media every day until they did. Its not something a president can get away with anymore.

Dubya's taxable income was less than a million, not his net worth.

Here's his and John Kerry's net worth according to Yahoo:

http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20040823.html

Compared to Kerry (with Heinz), Dubya is just a garden variety millionaire.

BTW, I wasn't talking about fusion for cars, roflmao. I was talking about power plants. Its much cleaner than any method that requires burning fuel and there isn't anywhere near the problem of radioactive waste that there is with fission. The fuel is deuterium and tritium...hydrogen.

The Bush FAMILY, which Dubya is a part of, what about their net worth, or is that in a blind trust, too? Why didn't the "Liberal Media" ever report that Dubya's Granpappy Prescott Bush made part of the family fortune off of labor from Nazi Concentration camps? I don't care how much money someone running for, or in office has, what invariably matters to me is HOW they got that money (As that speaks to their ethics and to what lengths they'll go to.), what kind of a person they are and how they treat people, whether or not they really give a flying ____ about their fellow Human Beings. Last I was aware, the election was over, so WTF does Kerry or his wife and the money she and her children inherited from her deceased husband (Heinz), have to do with Bush and Cheney profiting from Oil and being "in bed" with Opec? Typical.


No, we don't need more Nuclear power plants, allowing more and more chance of Human error...TMI (Which was worse than will EVER be admitted.) or Chernobyl ring a bell?


Yes, the Sun has copious untapped Energy, Solar Cells/Panels are used far too little.


As for some kind of new Fuel for vehicles, as long as Millions of those vehicles are not made obsolete and Millions of people aren't unemployed as the end result. I think the technology is available to end our need for foreign oil and has been for quite some time, but there is way too much money tied up in it, all the way to the top for it to be done until it's demanded by the people, with phone calls, e-mails, letters, whatever it takes. Also, via the Polls.




ChaosRisingRice, $3.19, a few are charging $3.29, both for regular unleaded.




Peace,
YankeeRose

[313]

Absolutely.
When I build my next house, it will be completely energy dependent. Completely.

My house is already completely energy dependent. You meant energy independent right?

[lonewolf]

The Bush FAMILY, which Dubya is a part of, what about their net worth, or is that in a blind trust, too? Why didn't the "Liberal Media" ever report that Dubya's Granpappy Prescott Bush made part of the family fortune off of labor from Nazi Concentration camps? I don't care how much money someone running for, or in office has, what invariably matters to me is HOW they got that money (As that speaks to their ethics and to what lengths they'll go to.), what kind of a person they are and how they treat people, whether or not they really give a flying ____ about their fellow Human Beings. Last I was aware, the election was over, so WTF does Kerry or his wife and the money she and her children inherited from her deceased husband (Heinz), have to do with Bush and Cheney profiting from Oil and being "in bed" with Opec? Typical.


No, we don't need more Nuclear power plants, allowing more and more chance of Human error...TMI (Which was worse than will EVER be admitted.) or Chernobyl ring a bell?


Yes, the Sun has copious untapped Energy, Solar Cells/Panels are used far too little.


As for some kind of new Fuel for vehicles, as long as Millions of those vehicles are not made obsolete and Millions of people aren't unemployed as the end result. I think the technology is available to end our need for foreign oil and has been for quite some time, but there is way too much money tied up in it, all the way to the top for it to be done until it's demanded by the people, with phone calls, e-mails, letters, whatever it takes. Also, via the Polls.




ChaosRisingRice, $3.19, a few are charging $3.29, both for regular unleaded.




Peace,
YankeeRose

How did he get his money? Its doubtful that he got much from daddy. There is a $11,000 per year federal exemption on gifts...the rest is subject to confiscatory gift tax. If daddy Bush gave Shrub $2 million+, he would have to pay $780,800 + 47% of excess over $2,000,000 in tax. While that may seem like a deal to you, people with money don't do things that way. I'm sure daddy Bush has some kind of trust set up for his kids when he passes on...

I don't doubt that he used the Bush name and political connections to generate wealth, but that has been hashed over time and time again. Shrub showed vision and business saavy with deals like the Texas Rangers and it is definitely a net positive for all those involved, including the community at large.

As for Kerry...he just happened to be on that webpage. I guess since he's a lawyer, he doesn't need to know much about business, except for lawsuits, of course.

TMI and Chernobyl? What do archaic nuclear fission plants have to do with fusion? Oh, its NUCLEAR! It must be bad! Greenpeace said so!

[Ron]

Absolutely.
When I build my next house, it will be completely energy dependent. Completely.

My house is already completely energy dependent. You meant energy independent right?

DOH! That's it.

[songsmith]

I believe nuclear power is as safe as you make it. Chernobyl happened because the Russki's didn't have any money to fix thngs that broke, and also have a history of throwing human lives at national problems. I have relatives who worked at TMI... it wasn't as bad as the media made it out.
I am fascinated by solar and wind power. I have this weird hermit fantasy where I move far into the mountains, and live off the land, and solar and wind power are common Google searches for me. Amazingly, a whole-home solar system that would have cost $100,000 just a few years ago now goes for about $15,000. Not only is it enough to run the household, but usually produces a surplus that gets sold to to electric utility company, for a profit. The benefits beyond actually making money on electric service are: if the power grid goes down, you are unaffected; there are no sudden price increases in sunlight; and you are truly in charge and own your system. On the down side: you need space for the panels; you need a shedful of storage batteries; you REALLY dread 4 days in a row of rain; the initial investment can sting; and unless you're NASA, the best panels still only get about 16% efficiency (although that will improve rapidly soon).
Wind is also a viable choice in some locations locally, particularly "up the mountain." A small wind turbine, just a few feet across, puts out a surprising amount of power, and is pretty cheap and mechanically efficient. On the other hand, it doesn't generate all day long every day... only in a stiff breeze, hence the locations on the Continental Divide being best. A combination of the two sources is simple to accomplish, and you'd have power to burn, at home at least. Add solar water-heating, and a glycol-based solar home heating system, and you can live at least as well as you do now, basically free from electric and home heating bills, and no hippy-commune style stuff like not bathing, and pooping in compost toilets.
As for gasoline, if it were truly a priority, we'd have ultra-efficient engines running on hydrogen. It's been talked about since I was a child. It's just not a priority for American big business, obviously. I can make hydrogen with a few simple tubes, wires and water, myself. I did it in 9th grade science class, it's called hydrolysis. I can't make gasoline. Supply and demand, my friends.-------->JMS

[YankeeRose]

The media reported on TMI only what it was told and even when they have reported on their own, stories get CUT, to this day - and some stories aren't even being told. Like the fact that more Radiation from TMI did indeed escape, went up and out over the PA countryside, the
fallout affecting those within a
100 mile or so radius. After Chernobyl, again a report I saw only once...a Scientist said, "yes, Chernobyl was a 10, but TMI was an 8 or 9". Nice. When I lived in Ft. Hood, TX, where my daughter was born, during the 20th Anniversary of Earth Day in 1990, on a Saturday, I saw a show on the PBS Station. A Mr. Tom Bailie, from Mesa, WA, a farmer, was speaking to people from Hereford, TX about preventing some sort of toxic dump or the like from coming to their town...what caught my attention was when I heard the words "the people within a 100 mile radius of TMI should have been warned not to go outdoors for a certain period of time, not to drink the water, eat anything grown locally, drink the milk, eat the eggs, meat, et cetera, not to plant a home garden...you get the idea? He said the end result would be an increase in Thyroid Disease and Cancer, Digestive Tract Cancers, Leukemias, Diabetes, et cetera. The kind of Radiation that was released that day in March of 1979, collects in the Thyroid. (My sister and I were in the same hospital room within a month, she with a miscarriage, me, at the age of 16, with Hyperplasia in my Uterus - I'd walked home from school that day, it was warm for March.) Mr. Bailie said that within 10 years we'd have begun to see the affects...well, my father had just died 12-30-89, at the age of 59, from Stomach Cancer (He planted a garden every year.) and earlier in '89; within 3 months of one another, with no previous incidence of it in our family, my mother and I were both diagnosed with Thyroid Disease. Yes, Mr. Bailie caught my attention! My father-in-law "never sick a day in my life", who died of Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia (Usually a childhood Leukemia.) at the age of 56 in 1996, told me he recalled seeing people in Radiation Suits with Geiger Counters In Orwigsburg and Auburn, both in Schuylkill County. After his death, I called and spoke to Mr. Bailie and tried to find a copy of that PBS show...yeah, RIGHT! Back in 1990, I called every agency you can think of, the DER, EPA, NRC, wanting to know if studies had been done on the lasting affects of the Radiation released. They all said they knew of none and just kept passing the buck, giving me other numbers to call. The final number I called was the Sloan Kettering Cancer Institute in NY. They told me the truth, that the Government knows what happened, but if it had ever been admitted, the Super Fund would have been drained. My own thoughts - we are all totally
expendable...there is usually no "good" politician, but one is invariably the lesser of two evils
and truly cares. Oh, you may wonder, how does a farmer from Mesa, WA know this kind of information about Radiation? He lives near, if I remember correctly, the Hanford Nuclear Reservation and the people near it have had similar health problems, his family included. When my husband was sent to the first Gulf War, then Germany and I and my 2 children had to move back to Schuylkill County, my first job back in PA working for Keebler involved a slight bit of travel in the county (Yes, I was an Elf!) and gave me the opportunity to talk to quite a few people about this. I was surprised to find that they already suspected as much, long before residents living close to TMI tried to sue. It was a lost cause for those who sued, as I knew it would be. The "little people", against a 20 year cover-up? Never.

[bassist_25]

Oh, its NUCLEAR! It must be bad! Greenpeace said so!

I remember when they were testing out new containers that are used to transport nuclear waste. In one experiment, they slammed a locomotive full-speed into a truck carrying said container. The container barely had a scratch on it, and Greenpeace said that they still weren't convinced of the saftey of transporting these capsules. WTF do they want?

The fact of the matter is that T.M.I. and the like had fission reactors. Contemporary nuclear plants use fusion reactors, which do not melt down.

[YankeeRose]

Fission, Fusion, I don't care WTF it is, Nuclear Reactors leave
DEADLY waste that takes how many years to break down - hundreds (?) and has to be stored, somewhere... If those barrels/drums are so safe, all the Nuclear lovers put one in your basements, why don't you? That waste is just another form of pollution...there are much better, safer, cleaner, UN-deadly ways for this country to obtain power, all previously discussed by many...why anyone would be so ga ga over something so toxic, just because it's "cheap" is beyond me...and I don't know the first thing about Greenpeace...maybe I should look into it? Then again, I most likely couldn't afford membership and I'd wager there are fees, so "nevermind"!

[lonewolf]

The fact of the matter is that T.M.I. and the like had fission reactors. Contemporary nuclear plants use fusion reactors, which do not melt down.

Actually, we're not quite there yet. Plans are in the works for a small fusion plant soon, but it will be experimental and of limited commercial use like the Saxton plant near Raystown lake.

[lonewolf]

Fission, Fusion, I don't care WTF it is, Nuclear Reactors leave
DEADLY waste that takes how many years to break down - hundreds (?) and has to be stored, somewhere... If those barrels/drums are so safe, all the Nuclear lovers put one in your basements, why don't you? That waste is just another form of pollution...there are much better, safer, cleaner, UN-deadly ways for this country to obtain power, all previously discussed by many...why anyone would be so ga ga over something so toxic, just because it's "cheap" is beyond me...and I don't know the first thing about Greenpeace...maybe I should look into it? Then again, I most likely couldn't afford membership and I'd wager there are fees, so "nevermind"!

Why? Because you said so? Like Dubya's money is not in a blind trust. Because you said so? Your statements may seem more credible with just a little substantiation.

Fusion is not fission. The only radioactive waste produced by fusion is the materials of the plant itself when decommissioned. The radioactive half-life of these materials is in the tens of years, not thousands like with fission.

I hope Wikipedia is a reliable enough source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_rea ... tal_issues

[YankeeRose]

Why SHOULD I believe Dubya's money is in a Blind Trust, or that he has no access to the Bush family fortune, just because some charts, graphs or legal papers or YOU may say so? Hasn't anyone ever gotten money that nobody knows about, as a "gift"? So what if the bulk of Dubya's money is not available to him now, will we ever TRULY know how much he and they are really worth or what they have made from both Gulf Wars and what's going on now? No, we won't and if you really think we will, I just don't know what to say.



The only DEADLY Radioactive waste produced by Fusion are the materials and that's only after the plant is decomissioned, with a 1/2 life in 10s of years? I had no idea, that's different. NOT!
Sorry, but to me, DEADLY waste is DEADLY waste, but you can put it in your back yard, okay?






Peace,
YankeeRose

[RobTheDrummer]

I think it's actually more lethal to live in altoona than to have a nuclear reactor within 100 miles of my home....

[tonefight]

My take on the nuclear thing is if the waste needs to be treated with such caution and buried and hidden in remote areas.................. why are we fucking with it !?!?!?! Bad idea move on to the next form of energy, one that won't deform our grandchildren, ya know ????? Makes sense to me ????

Remember what can happen eventually will so no matter what precautions are taken something is gonna get fucked up and go wrong. Thats why I don't think nuclear energy is a great idea.

[tonefight]

The only DEADLY Radioactive waste produced by Fusion are the materials and that's only after the plant is decomissioned, with a 1/2 life in 10s of years? I had no idea, that's different. NOT!
Sorry, but to me, DEADLY waste is DEADLY waste, but you can put it in your back yard, okay?
Peace,
YankeeRose

Its Ok, Lonewolf uses that stuff for toothpaste ( brightens up the fangs )