GOT GAS?

[onetooloud]

What gets under my skin is the station with 12,000 gallons of fuel in their tanks. On monday that fuel sold for 2.50 a gallon. Without ever getting a new fuel delivery price is raised to 3.00 a gallon on the same exact fuel.

On monday you made x profit now on Wednesday you make
x + 50 cents. If my thinking is right thats 6,000 profit on 12,000 gallons above what it already had been.

I don't know what all places sell in a given week but its not 12,000 in two days.

[tonefight]

I would have to agree that american citizens are partially reponsible for the amout of gas we use, how many big vehicles do you see driving around with 1 person in it ? How many people drive several miles to go shopping? go out to eat at a retaurant 20 miles away just for the hell of it ? Someone mentioned driving distance for a service job, I used to drive to ohio and west virginia servicing commercial HVAC equip. and sometimes an hour into the drive I would think " surely there is someone alot closer that could be fixing this thing "

I don't like seeing the gas prices go up sky high either but maybe its time that everyone considers a change in their lifestyle towards gas.

It is definatly going to be a tough winter for heating Oil customers and for that I feel for everyone, I heat with gas but its not cheap anymore either. Our budget amout went up to $193 a month year round !!!!!! And I don't live in a large mansion either.

[Imgrimm01]

Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
Norway Oslo $6.27
Italy Milan $5.96
Denmark Copenhagen $5.93
Belgium Brussels $5.91
Sweden Stockholm $5.80
United Kingdom London $5.79
Germany Frankfurt $5.57
France Paris $5.54
Portugal Lisbon $5.35
Hungary Budapest $4.94
Luxembourg $4.82
Croatia Zagreb $4.81
Ireland Dublin $4.78
Switzerland Geneva $4.74
Spain Madrid $4.55
Japan Tokyo $4.24
Czech Republic Prague $4.19
Romania Bucharest $4.09
Andorra $4.08
Estonia Tallinn $3.62
Bulgaria Sofia $3.52
Brazil Brasilia $3.12
Cuba Havana $3.03
Taiwan Taipei $2.84
Lebanon Beirut $2.63
South Africa Johannesburg $2.62
Nicaragua Managua $2.61
Panama Panama City $2.19
Russia Moscow $2.10
Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74
Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91
Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78
Egypt Cairo $0.65
Nigeria Lagos $0.38
Venezuela Caracas $0.12


Yeah Rob see the thing is ... I ain't planning to be driving in any of those places, i drive HERE !! here in The Good Ole b US h of A !

[f.sciarrillo]

For all the Liberals that think gas prices are because of a Republicans..think again.

And there's absolutely no reason for our prices to be that high, you've just proven that Bush is the problem.

I blame Clinton. He was the problem ..

Now let the bashing begin. Bush has nothing to do with the gas prices. It's OPEC. I am not liberal, and I am not conservative. I am independent. I do not blame Bush for any of this. I blame CLINTON >>

[JayBird]

Bassist_25 - I did take into account a rise in gas price. However, who can honestly take into account a $1.29 - $1.59 more per gallon. Prices usually go about about $.30 per year...over a dollar - that is unheard of. I had to pass the expense on. I'm not losing my business or my house over some other assholes higher prices.

[RAM Z]

How about a tax break at the end of the year for gas and heating oil?

Yeah right, like that would ever happen!

Like I said in another thread ,remember the Mad Max movies? This shit going on with gas may result in bigger problems than not being able to afford the drive to work every day!

Viva la resistance!

We shouldn't have to put up with it nor should we have to wait for the Teamsters to go on strike and futher devistate our already crippled economy! We the people need to make a stand together if we want to make a difference! To hell with some stuipid owls ! Drill some freak'n oil on our soil for God's sakes! Alaska is full of it and so is the ocean. Bush needs to get his head out of his ass and get shit done!

[BDR]

Bush has nothing to do with the gas prices. It's OPEC. ... I blame CLINTON >> [/i]

... yes, you're right, Clinton has had major ties with OPEC for years and years ...

The ONLY people who benefit from rising gas prices are those who INVEST in oil. Please THINK.

r:>)

[BDR]

Actually, I agree with much of what lonewolf has been saying, but it’s NEVER as bad as they want us to believe. Rest assured, there are people who are quite happy about the surge in fuel prices, those who invest in it. It’s not a “choice” product, it must be purchased.

Many people here in AMERICA will perish this winter simply due to the fact that it will be impossible to keep up with prices. All the while, rich fuckers will become richer, not even blinking, and we will continue to waste money and resources in Iraq.

r:>)

[Imgrimm01]

Thank You Rob,,, I mean let me simplify this so perhaps some will see... ( BUT I doubt it ) If I own stock in a oh lets say glass bottle store and all of a sudden you start paying double for glass bottles I make more money, and guess what I'm NOT going to try to get the price of glass down to save you money. Lonewolf there are holes in the disaster down south theory as well, I was paying .80 more than last year B4 the word Katrina had been thought of, I know that the storm caused major devistation but Oil companioes are simply using that as an excuse.

[nakedtwister]

I say we take over the f*cked up Middle Eastern countries that choose to
terrorize us. Instead of declaring war on them, blowing the shit out of them, and then rebuilding them with our money........ Take their FUCKING OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nakedtwister]

Does anyone recall the Tsunami disaster. If I'm not mistaken this country dumped over $250 million into relief ( private citizens included ) and I have yet to see any support from other countries. A lot of us on this page gave to help. Remember Project Life Boat??????? When will we learn???????

[lonewolf]

Thank You Rob,,, I mean let me simplify this so perhaps some will see... ( BUT I doubt it ) If I own stock in a oh lets say glass bottle store and all of a sudden you start paying double for glass bottles I make more money, and guess what I'm NOT going to try to get the price of glass down to save you money. Lonewolf there are holes in the disaster down south theory as well, I was paying .80 more than last year B4 the word Katrina had been thought of, I know that the storm caused major devistation but Oil companioes are simply using that as an excuse.

The hurricane only explains the present situation, which I believe will be worse in the short term than the talking heads are leading us to believe. They don't want to induce panic buying. Meanwhile the "NO GAS" signs are already going up in places like Indiana and North Carolina. Sheetz is going to have a hard time getting gas, since the major gas companies are now keeping it to themselves.

As for the previous increases, its a simple case of supply and demand, but if you want a choice of meaningful correlations:

a) Gas prices started going up when gas-guzzling vehicles like the HUMMER were introduced in the late 90s and became popular. (this is a rise in gas demand)

b) Gas prices started going up when the Chinese went from being self-sufficient to being the 2nd largest importers of crude oil. (this is another rise in demand creating huge competition for supply)

c) Gas prices started going up when those money grubbing pricks in the Bush administration took over. Its President Bush's intent to piss of every last American citizen and he won't stop until every one of us is miserable beyond description. That rotten bastard. He who controls the refining elves, controls America.

[Imgrimm01]

Why Does Bush care if Americans are pissed off? He's already made himself Pres. and he can't run again what does he have to lose? Nothing at all so why not FILL that bank account before becomming un employed? Wolf how can you think he is not profiting from this?

[Jim Price]

I'm old enough to remember the early 70's energy crisis, which got to the point where gas was rationed; and you got your car filled up on alternate days, based on odd/even numbers your license plate number ended in. Don't be surprised to see something like that brought back soon.

Back then, truckers did strike. And as a few have posted, Mad Max-like scenarios took place back then, with some striking truckers attacking truckers who tried to transport goods during the strike (some people were killed, the National Guard was called up to escort truckers who tried to defy the strike).

It's not hard to imagine things going that way (Mad Max/Road Warrior) soon. Expect to hear about people stealing gas from each other, especially if you don't have a locking gas cap on your car. I hear that in some places, even if you do have a locking gas cap, some enterprising thieves have devised ways to puncture gas tanks and drain and steal fuel.

Another similarity between the early 70's and now: Back in 1973, President Nixon launched “Project Independence,” with the goal of achieving energy self-sufficiency by 1980. Recalling the Manhattan Project, Nixon declared that American science, technology and industry could free America from dependence on foreign oil. Nice gesture, but ultimately it didn't happen. We depend on foreign oil more now than we did then.

I recalled President Bush, during one of his early State Of The Union addresses, proposing the development of hydrogen-fueled engines so we wouldn't have to rely on foreign oil. Whatever became of this? And given the amount of money we now dish out to the oil companies, will we ever see this development, or will it be somehow stifled by the oil industry because the oil companies stand to lose big bucks if technology like this is developed and made accessible/affordable on the consumer level?

And I expect this whole mess to impact the local music world as well. Given deterants such as the UVA shooting, the expected DUI checkpoint dragnets for the Labor Day holiday, and now the skyrocketing gas prices; don't be surprised to see smaller audiences at your shows this weekend, and probably for the near future. People will be cutting back on expenses to pay for gas, and going out will probably be one of the expenses that gets cut back.

[moose11d2]

$3.00!!!

[the herald]

i filled up when it was $2.49 but i dont think one tank of gas will get me through this crisis!!! im dreading the day i have to get gas again You know whats crazy is that we have the technology to mass produce water powered vehicles and solar powered vehicles but we wont do it because it would screw up the economy!!! were trapped by our own technology just think what would happen if every oil related business shut down!!!! money has actually slowed if not stopped technological advances as well as environmental improvements we are destroying the earth for no reason other than oil and money!!!! im o.k. now. hey lets all pitch in and start a solar/hydrogen car company !!! that is if your not concerned about dying!!!! and i dont mean from the environment!

[lonewolf]

Why Does Bush care if Americans are pissed off? He's already made himself Pres. and he can't run again what does he have to lose? Nothing at all so why not FILL that bank account before becomming un employed? Wolf how can you think he is not profiting from this?

What I think about this is irrelevant. What are the facts?

Nobody, including GWB, knows whether he is profiting from this or not. All of Dubya's (and Dick Cheney's) personal wealth has been managed by a private blind trust since 2001. For all he knows, his money could be tied up in Frisbee Futures.

What I do know is that his 2004 reported taxable income was $672,788...down from 2001's $711,453. His income went down over a period when gas went up a lot.

[nikki]

Actually, my husband is from Glasgow, and gas is currently over $8 a gallon there. They think we're lucky I'm gonna start hitching rides with the Amish!

[bassist_25]

Bassist_25 - I did take into account a rise in gas price. However, who can honestly take into account a $1.29 - $1.59 more per gallon. Prices usually go about about $.30 per year...over a dollar - that is unheard of. I had to pass the expense on. I'm not losing my business or my house over some other assholes higher prices.

Oh no, I wasn't trying to slam you on your business practice or anything. I just thought it was funny that in that thread last year, Sinman thought he was a good businessman, because he thought that it was as simple as passing the expense onto the customer. It doesn't take a brilliant economist to know that people usually respond elastically to price changes like that.

This crisis is going to affect most aspects of business. Fuel runs this country.

[bassist_25]

BTW - I wonder what our gig attendances are going to look like this weekend. I honestly don't know what to expect when I look out across the crowd this weekend.

[ASB10]

The rise is gas prices can be directly attributed to several factors over the past several years. As the son of an oil producer, I am happy that my father is seeing the profitability of this crisis, but unfortunately I (and everyone else) has to pay the outrageous prices at the pump.

When oil became a publicly speculated (traded) commodity on the stock market, it was taken out of the hands of simple supply and demand economics. It has become a business proposition where investors are merely speculating the future prices, and this is what was driving the prices upward. There is not a lack of the product, nor is there an overly increased demand (the Hummer theory is nice, but a little over-contrived). The problem is that since the advent of OPEC (and sorry for all of you Bush bashers, this has no bearing on him, rather an implement of a Democratic stronghold in Congress), oil production has increased in all oil supplying nations for distribution throughout the world, but the investors on the open market are speculating as to the "industry" as a whole (the money spent to drill, pump, and haul the crude oil) not the actual amount of the product at all, and this has driven the price up. There is no more demand or lack of supply from when gas was $1.59 than now at $2.99.

Currently we are facing a crisis due to the fact that seven large petroleum product refineries were disabled by Hurricane Katrina. They are unable to produce and therefore, our supply does not meet our demand....hence higher prices. There is no one to blame for the current prices...like the insurance companies, we came deem this "an act of God".

Oil prices will stabilize as we approach the winter months, pending upon the stability of crude oil production in the states hampered by the hurricane. Gas prices will go down as well as soon as the stability is reached. It is in GWB's best interests to tap the reserves (which were set-up to help the US avoid another "gas crisis" like was faced in the 1970's), in order to help the supply meet our ample demand.

In most other countries in the world, it is typical to pay $5 or more per gallon of gasoline, and this even includes other crude oil producing nations. We have been lucky that our economy has allowed our prices to remain near the bottom of the totem pole as far as overall pricing.

The problem lies in the fact that we as a nation, especially employers, aren't prepared to meet the inflationary needs of the gas prices with higher wages (cost of living increases they are titled, you know that 1-3% you may get on a yearly basis).

Gas prices probably will never go south of $2.00/barrel for a long time unless some sort of splendid change is made, and if we stopped importing foreign oil, we could survive yes, but then we would pay even more for our gasoline, and there would almost need to be a rationing system. Pennsylvania crude oil is the highest quality oil in the world, but our supplies are limited, and if too much drilling was to ensue, then we would all face the consequences of pricing and environmental decline, and a domestic war amongts ourselves for a product that we need for our daily lives.

So everyone, go get a woodstove, get your beer bellies outside and chop some wood to stay warm all winter (it'll be good for you). Start spending more time at home or around your community, and you can save the money. If this isn't your plan (and it certainly isn't mine) then there isn't too much that can be done in the meantime but to go "gas poor".....

[f.sciarrillo]

Bush has nothing to do with the gas prices. It's OPEC. ... I blame CLINTON >> [/i]

... yes, you're right, Clinton has had major ties with OPEC for years and years ...

The ONLY people who benefit from rising gas prices are those who INVEST in oil. Please THINK.

r:>)

I did think, I did think that everything that has happen, no matter if it was a natural disaster or a broken nail, has been blamed on Bush. Opec is price gouging. It is plain and simple, bush has nothing to do with it. They are using the Iraq conflict to try and justify the hike.

The reason I blame Clinton is because he did nothing during his term to stop it. He sat on his butt, and the only time he was on top of things was when he was on top of an intern. If he had gotten off his flipping duff and did something instead of lying to the public and not giving a crap we would not be where we are now ..

[BDR]

If he had gotten off his flipping duff and did something instead of lying to the public and not giving a crap we would not be where we are now ..

Give me a fucking break ... lying to the public? I am so sick of hearing about how Clinton lied to the public. About what? A blowjob? Good Lord, lying about blow jobs DID NOT COST 1,800+ AMERICAN LIVES AND COUNTING like the lies we've been told in the past four years have, and it certainly did not impact the price of gasoline.

The reason I blame Clinton is because he did nothing during his term to stop it.

I'm sorry, but that statement is just retarded. Obviously, looking at today's gas prices, by the same token, Bush is doing loads to stop it, right? Shhhh ...

I'm apt to side with lonewolf on most of these points, if we can stay on topic. The overuse of large SUVs and other luxury vehicles has put demand through the roof (so, now that I think about it, I guess you could blame Clinton ... the economy was so good in the 1990s, everyone started buying big gas hogs because everyone had money ... hmmm)

Still, Katrina is a scapegoat for screwing the American motorist and home-heater.

Price of gas per gallon (87 octane) in Huntingdon:
• Wednesday, 7 a.m. — $2.59
• Wednesday, noon — $2.79
• Thursday, 7 a.m. $2.99
• Thursday, noon — $3.15

Fat cats are getting fatter by the minute, literally.

r:>)

[ASB10]

[Still, Katrina is a scapegoat for screwing the American motorist and home-heater.]


Wow...I really hope that you don't actually believe this.....what more do you want...SEVEN...7...VII......siete......refineries are down, that's just simple supply and demand economics


hmmm.....because gas was $3 a gallon before the hurricane?.....
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[BDR]

I've already acknowledged the fact that these refineries are down. What I'm saying is Big Oil has been waiting for an excuse to jack the price to the extreme ... all I'm saying is they got their excuse.

Things are NEVER as bad as we would be made to believe.

r:>)