Circle Of Fire

BloodEmpireBand · Post by **BloodEmpireBand** » Monday Jul 25, 2005

robthedrummer,
i assumed you were old because you are telling me that i have alot to learn. im older than you! so it looks like i DONT have alot to learn, huh?
the metal i write isnt just noise to annoy people. there are people who WILL be annoyed because they like all the crap ive mentioned. thats fine with me, atleast they would have some sort of reaction to the music. i want people to either love it or HATE it. either way, im happy. my goal is not to please 40 drunk people who want to hear top 40, my goal is to please myself by writing and performing music that i am proud of. if those 40 drunk people like it, than great. pleasing other people is second to me. i want to make sure me and the band are happy with the music. its called "integrity". maybe you rob, have alot to learn. but i wont be the asscheeks that says that, ill leave that to you. people are gonna have different goals, man. some people dont mind being slaves to the mainstream. i think for myself and choose otherwise. im looking for only a singer and bass player,now. the drummer & 2nd guitar has been filled by friends from md. they really dig the music and want to play it live.
im NOT trying to be the biggest band around here, like i said i dont care. the people here dont want metal anyway. but i NEED to atleast be playing out. if anyone knows a singer with some BALLS, let me know. ill probably just have to do that myself too. damnit

BloodEmpireBand · Post by **BloodEmpireBand** » Monday Jul 25, 2005

i dont think all you guys realize that this ISNT my first time trying to start a band. it IS in fact the first time in PA. i have played in many bands. only one other band though, was completely serious and wanted to get signed. we did in fact break up because the singer was an alcoholic and i wont deal with that shit. that band was called "Dead To One". since then, i know that i can get signed if i actually try. i havent been in a real BAND since then, but have jammed constantly. they went on to form "TRIED" who now plays retirement homes and halfway houses. the other band sive been in allthough not as serious are: Apokrypha, Raised in fire & WarMachine.

i have NEVER claimed to be a shred master such as Punkinhead. I have NEVER claimed to be a rockstar.

anything short of that, youre goddamn right

bassist4life2004 · Post by **bassist4life2004** » Monday Jul 25, 2005

BloodEmpireBand wrote:robthedrummer,
i assumed you were old because you are telling me that i have alot to learn. im older than you! so it looks like i DONT have alot to learn, huh?

Age doesnt mean wisdom buddy, and around here, you do have a lot to learn.

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Monday Jul 25, 2005

:::sighs:::

Look, B.E.P.,

You've been civil to me in our emails, and I really appreciate that. All that is being said here from the perspective of the musicians that are responding to your posts is this:

Just show the folks here some respect. It's not an automatic thing, but don't slap us around for doing what we do just because it's not your thing. You want to play metal, that's great, there is certainly a market for it in this area. But don't begrudge us what we do if you don't like it.

BloodEmpireBand · Post by **BloodEmpireBand** » Monday Jul 25, 2005

uhhhhhh, i DO know that , dude.
and i swear to God, quit fucking telling me i have alot to learn because i dont wanna do YOUR thing. damn you.
just because i wasnt born and raised in "super-cool" central PA doesnt mean im fucking stupid.
what im saying is most of you couldnt tell me any valuable "words or wisdom" . i dont want to be stuck here playing. i want MORE for myself. i want to play ALL over. we have different goals allready. this for me is a stepping stone, not the "be all end all" like it has been for so many of you.
music is my MAIN focus. not a hobby or something to do to try to get laid.
i dont want to be popular. i dont need to be liked. i am sure as hell not understood.
i would like to be friends with some of you, but NOT if you keep telling me i have alot to learn. i DONT wanna learn about acoustic shows and top 40 shit. i DONT wanna learn how to sneak originals in 200 covers. I DONT want to learn how to play PA bars for the rest of my miserable life. why is this so hard to understand? I AM DIFFERENT FROM YOU. accept that. stop trying to convert me to something im not and NEVER will be. im METAL all the way. i wont kiss ass to succeed. i will be myself, which isnt bad once you get to know me. this is how i choose to do my "career". if i dont succeed, then fine, i lose by doing what i think is right. i could live with that. people will come to my show to hear original metal. at the MOST , two metal covers. they will not come to my show for a "party" or to hear radio tunes. i will not LIE or DECEIVE them into hearing my stuff. it will be honest straight foreward in your face metal. these are the goals for myslef. im sorry because im different that you all wont help me out. that really says alot about your community.

toonarockguy- this was before i saw your post, but its still valid.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Monday Jul 25, 2005

"Integrity" is simply an ego-extension that one uses to define his or herself and give meaning to the self-concept. It's a defense mechanism that validates the person by giving them a context by which to judge him or herself against reference groups (i.e. people who are "sell outs"). "Intergrity" is just another obstacle that the ego has to overcome to realize the infinity which exist in life. "Intergrity" is just as superficial as "selling out".

I don't think anyone cares if you play metal or not; I think they're just tired of you complaining about the scene and how there aren't any musicians that are into what your doing. I've never justified, rationalized, or apologized for anything I've ever done (especially in music). I don't care what other people think, either. If I did, I would have probaly started a flame war in these thread or your previous one. Believe me - If you want to talk about being independently minded, I'm the guy to talk to. Your constant defense in these threads leads me to believe that you feel that you have to justify what your doing.

HurricaneBob · Post by **HurricaneBob** » Monday Jul 25, 2005

BloodEmpireBand · Post by **BloodEmpireBand** » Monday Jul 25, 2005

how am i complaining by asking us all to unify? no one is complaining. i dont know why you guys try to make everything a battle. my opinion isnt a stab, dudes. yes, i need to defend myself from accusations. damn right. i DO need to shoot down any misconceptions about me. how many times must i say that im NOT trying to argue??!!
can you read? IM NOT TRYING TO ARGUE WITH ANYONE.
im trying to play the music that i have created. if no one wants to help me out, GREAT. thats cool. my shoes will still be tied.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Monday Jul 25, 2005

BloodEmpireBand wrote:how am i complaining by asking us all to unify? no one is complaining. i dont know why you guys try to make everything a battle. my opinion isnt a stab, dudes. yes, i need to defend myself from accusations. damn right.

I don't know man. Your second thread started off by calling everyone undedicated losers, saying everyone had an IQ of 26, how people from MD could "show us how it's done" and you then made a reference to this place being a hole. Far be it from me to give a shit about what someone thinks of this place (my place of origin is another one of those superficial ego-extensions I don't care about), but antagonizing people on your arrival is going to do the opposite of unifying them with you.

You say that you're going to reset the bar for metal around here. Hey, maybe you are. I haven't heard your stuff; you might be the next Opeth or something. It's cool that you almost got signed, but that doesn't impress me either. Shitty bands get signed to shitty indie labels everyday. Again, I'm not saying your stuff's shit, but I can't say it's good yet either. Anyways, I digress. My point is if you decide to fling shit at people, expect them to fire back with a septic tank. It's not about kissing ass; it's about not antagonizing people. It's cool to be controversial if you have something original, intelligent, or thought-provking to say. If not, you just sound like an angry teenager talking shit at a kegger in the woods.

Wow, Rockpage drama's like a bad car wreck. I want to just watch as I go past and not get involved, but something makes me stop and get out of the car.

Punkinhead · Post by **Punkinhead** » Monday Jul 25, 2005

Rob,

I think we're defining ears bleeding in two different terms man. I'm saying ears bleeding from the brutality of the music (ala Cryptopsy), not because it's shit...If it causes ears to bleed because it's shit then yeah, that sucks...haha, it's cool man. We just needed our terms straightened out.

Man, I forgot Moonspell and Crematory for goth...damn...I have to add them, as well as Cradle of Filth for black.

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Monday Jul 25, 2005

Blood Empire, if you want to play music just for yourself, just stay home and be happy with what you do. I feel that as musicians, we are paid to entertain. There is a demand for your music, but it's few and far between. If you are happy with that, then thats cool. But, for me, I want to play music for a living and you gotta do what you gotta do. We are looking at two completely different things and trying to put it all in one realm. I hope you can find a demand for what you do. I've been there and done that...

Geetarzz · Post by **Geetarzz** » Monday Jul 25, 2005

It's as simple as this............if you weren't such a dick, you would already be playing in a band instead of just playing with yourself.

kitchensinkdiva · Post by **kitchensinkdiva** » Tuesday Jul 26, 2005

Don't feed the troll!

BloodEmpireBand · Post by **BloodEmpireBand** » Tuesday Jul 26, 2005

ive said i dont want to argue. i never said i wanted to play by myself. but im done being nice. ive tried to be friends goddamnit. you all just WONT let it go. YOU are the VIRUS. i dont know why you all arent reading that i DONT want to fight. but you continue to talk shit. i could insult this area & people ALLLL day and night, but im not going to. ive tried every way i can to be cool with you guys and you wont let it happen. its time to put a face with the name, dicks. im tired of all of you talking shit. its like you only read what you want to.
when i say "play music for myself" it means that i dont CARE what anyone else thinks! as long as I like it.
some of you talk alot of shit, back it up. i dont know what else to say. ive tried to be cool.
i say lets be friends 1000 times. and YOU ignore it.

BDR · Post by **BDR** » Tuesday Jul 26, 2005

In his very post on Rockpage, BloodEmpireBand called everyone here 'undedicated losers,' then wrote:why do i only meet undedicated losers around here??? back in MD , people were serious, and showed up. balll-less dudes who cant say "i dont wanna play with you, i suck". IM SICK OF IT. not only is this whole damn place one big cow town, the avg IQ must be 26. i really hate having to assemble a band from this hole, so i may bring in some MD guys who can really show you how to do it. all i see are stupid bands playing out. the metal scene 'round here is a joke. im just trying to add some decency to it.
i dont care how i sound, the truth is the truth.

In his last post, BloodEmpireBand wrote:... ive tried to be friends goddamnit. you all just WONT let it go. YOU are the VIRUS. i dont know why you all arent reading that i DONT want to fight ... i could insult this area & people ALLLL day and night, but im not going to ... ive tried every way i can to be cool with you guys and you wont let it happen ...

I don't understand why you don't realize why most people here are hostile now. You created this vibe with that first post. People who would've helped you without thinking before are now uninterested. So you had a bad experience or two with people from this area. Things didn't work out. The message is don't give up looking and don't burn bridges with people who could potentially help you get where you want to go. You've said in the past, "I can't do it by myself."

r:>)

ThrashKillsYou · Post by **ThrashKillsYou** » Tuesday Jul 26, 2005

I came for the beer and the bitches!

ThrashKillsYou · Post by **ThrashKillsYou** » Tuesday Jul 26, 2005

Oh yeah, party at my house tonight! Free beer and a complimentary authentic keychain pocket pencil sharpener to the first 10 people through the door.

BDR · Post by **BDR** » Tuesday Jul 26, 2005

Cool ... I have a keychain "Sharpie" ...

r:>)

ThrashKillsYou · Post by **ThrashKillsYou** » Tuesday Jul 26, 2005

That tickles me in a way that if Loretta would tickle me i'd say oh that's nicccceeee.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Tuesday Jul 26, 2005

It sounds like you are convinced that you cannot further your musical career in such a backward and hostile place as central PA. It also sounds like some region in MD would be an ideal place for that. What's keeping a dedicated musician like yourself from returning to this metal-utopia?

ThrashKillsYou · Post by **ThrashKillsYou** » Tuesday Jul 26, 2005

The beer and the bitches.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Tuesday Jul 26, 2005

bassist_25 wrote:"Integrity" is simply an ego-extension that one uses to define his or herself and give meaning to the self-concept. It's a defense mechanism that validates the person by giving them a context by which to judge him or herself against reference groups (i.e. people who are "sell outs"). "Intergrity" is just another obstacle that the ego has to overcome to realize the infinity which exist in life. "Intergrity" is just as superficial as "selling out".

Perhaps the label "integrity" and the self-promotion of that characterisitic could be construed as an obstacle along that path, but that path cannot be trod without the selfless practice of integrity's traits.

Huh?

ThrashKillsYou · Post by **ThrashKillsYou** » Tuesday Jul 26, 2005

....and there was much rejoicing!

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Tuesday Jul 26, 2005

ThrashKillsYou · Post by **ThrashKillsYou** » Tuesday Jul 26, 2005

The holy handgrenade!