New Pennsylvania advertising campaign.

[Craven Sound]

Saw this, and had to post it.

[ERiC_AiXeLsyD]

Heh. I must be in the wrong part of the state, I hardly ever see any Amish people unless I'm on a road trip.

[Brian of the Clan Plush]

That guy's not even Amish! They drive on the other side of the road....he must be Mennonite. And shouldn't he have a big orange triangle on his ass????

[Banned]

Heh. I must be in the wrong part of the state, I hardly ever see any Amish people unless I'm on a road trip.

Accually I'd say u must live in the right part of the state then. I could go on and on for hours about my hatered for those stinkin ass, inbread amish. I wish they would make a season to hunt amish, sometime after deer season. It could be like turkeys, u judge them by the length of the beard (men and women).

[HurricaneBob]

My grand parents were amish, how bout i hunt you and shove Dave Lombardo up your ass.

[JeffLeeper]

"They drive on the other side of the road...".....

Where do you get your information?

I've worked with the Amish for the last 2 years , and you wouldn't believe the horse crap people make up about them......100% garbage.

Clean , God-fearing , hard-working people who don't bother anyone but bigots....Let's get rid of 'em.

[Ron]

The Amish are buying a lot of land where I grew up, and I'm glad about it. If it weren't for the Amish, it would soon be overrun by developers. The Amish are the anti-yuppies... More power to them.

[bassist_25]

Word.

The Amish are just like hippies: hated for no specific reason at all.

[songsmith]

They live their beliefs. Right or wrong, I respect that. I do, however want them to just put the orange triangle on the buggy so their kids won't get hurt... God will understand it's not Englisher bling.
Plus, I dare you to work that hard... at anything.---->JMS

[Bag]

I grew up in Belleville, "Amish central" and having nothing but respect for those people. I personally couldn't live that way, but I can repect them for living the way that think is "right."

[Mo Lester]

I hear that they grow some good shit, too!
straight up

[wiskerbisket]

Bag..u were from Belleville..what is your real name..i hafta know you..
i put this put pic on my main bandpage...
http://www.wiskerbisket.com
hope u guys doint mind..i find it very funny..we play a place called the wilderness in new lancaster valley..sometimes the aMISH COME OUT...THEY R PRETTY COOL GUYS..KINDA STRANGE AND SMELLY,,BUT KOOL GUYS
oops wasnt looking...

[Brian of the Clan Plush]

"They drive on the other side of the road...".....

Where do you get your information?

yeah....well, ya see....that was a joke.....kinda like saying they should have orange triangles on their asses.

I love the amish....big hands....smell like cabbage.

oh, wait....thats carneys

well they work hard and build really nice sheds and such. and they make awesome shoefly pie.

[ain soph aur]

The Amish are just like hippies: hated for no specific reason at all.

That is so true and like someone said 100% garbage. The usual complaint starts with "they don't pay taxes" which is bullshit. They pay taxes just like the rest of us... when they sell or buy. They just don't get a weekly check because they work to self-sustain through farming and building. When Amish people marry, the community comes together building and furnishing the couples home... wouldn't it be nice if we all had that kind of start! Americans could learn a lot from the Amish, they are living just as the founders of this country did and intended for us all. They stuck to their guns and refused to conform to big government... gee for "inbreeds" they are pretty smart! They don't take loans or use credit, including utilities (they view gas, electric etc as life long loans and refuse them), that is why they will use generators and gas powered equipment, because they can be paid for before use. A lot of people say that because they use those things they are hypocrites, but that is just a reflection of ones own ignorance.

So NO debt, NO big government, and TRUE community support, not to mention some of the most hardest working people you'll ever find. Plus experts in their trades... they build some of the most durable and beautiful things. Yep wipe 'em out, the bastards.

On a side note... WE are ALL "inbred". Human DNA can be traced back to one single strand and EVERY race is the result of inbreeding. When small groups in isolation devolped into specific races it was because small groups reproducing took on certain traits wether it be slanted eyes, big lips, curly hair, straight hair, whatever... if your human your inbred!

[JeffLeeper]

You seem to have some actual knowledge of The Amish. I've seldom met more amiable and humorous people. Eli , whom I worked with for 2 years , is a father of 8 who supports them all with his own hard work.

All the kids work , and when they like you you're family. I've been fortunate to work with these people.

Oh , and BTW....only 2 states in the US have laws against marriage between 1st. cousins , and the percentage of birth defects due to 1st. cousin marriage is less than 1% more than unrelated couples....so that shoots that in the foot.....even if it were as prevalent as some folks would like to think.

[Banned]

The Amish are just like hippies: hated for no specific reason at all.

That is so true and like someone said 100% garbage. The usual complaint starts with "they don't pay taxes" which is bullshit. They pay taxes just like the rest of us... when they sell or buy. They just don't get a weekly check because they work to self-sustain through farming and building. When Amish people marry, the community comes together building and furnishing the couples home... wouldn't it be nice if we all had that kind of start! Americans could learn a lot from the Amish, they are living just as the founders of this country did and intended for us all. They stuck to their guns and refused to conform to big government... gee for "inbreeds" they are pretty smart! They don't take loans or use credit, including utilities (they view gas, electric etc as life long loans and refuse them), that is why they will use generators and gas powered equipment, because they can be paid for before use. A lot of people say that because they use those things they are hypocrites, but that is just a reflection of ones own ignorance.

Your argument may be true of the amish in the eastern part of the state, but around my area (Jefferson, Elk, and Clarion countys) it doesn't hold water at all. For one, take a ride through hazen and munderf and see how many barns (new and old) have amish buggys parked out front that also have electric and phone lines run into them. What many of them have done is buy property off of old retired people, allow them to remain living there, and have the electric and phone lines put in their name. I guess that's not hypocritical at all since the utilities aren't in the amish mans name even though they are still paying the bill and using the utillities huh? I could even give you the name of a former contractor that wired electric into several amish barns. And I hate to burst your bubble but they do take out loans. My cousin sold his small lumber mill to the amish, he got a call from the loan officer of S&T bank telling him they needed to send someone out to appraise the equipment (for collateral reasons) before they would aprove the loan to the amish to buy it.
As far as taxes, yes they do pay sales tax when they buy something like everyone else, and if they're so "self sustaining through farming and building" why on any givin day of the week can you go to the clarion walmart and find a 1/2 a dozen or so amish grocerie shopping. Not just for their "bake sales" (hint on the recipe: generic ready made pie crust and generic pie filling) either, but buyin regular groceries like anyone else buys. I could really care less that they shop at walmart, just using the example as to where your theory is wrong. Where the problem lies with the taxes is that many in this area are operating lumber mills, logging, and building furniture strictly for profit, yet don't have to follow the same laws that would govern the same exact buisness if you or I owned it. Being as how they buy and sell alot of things as "cash only", avoiding the taxes, they don't have to carry workers comp. insurance, or abide by minimum wage or child labor laws. They can operate alot cheaper, therefore sell their product alot cheaper still makin as much or more profit. You may not think it's much, but check into the cost of workers comp. (and other insurances required to opperate a mill, or logging) and you'll find out that alone is huge. They inturn have run many non-amish small lumber mills and logging companys out of buisness (i.e. many of my friends and family) because they just simply can't compete with the cut rate prices the amish can sell for. Going back to the utillities argument, I could take you to a furniture manufacturing plant that was non-amish, then bought out by the amish who use the very same electric and pnuematic tools to build the same dressers and cabnets, but in this case because it's "amish craftmanship" it sells for more than the same things built by the non-amish.
A much more personal experience was when the amish logged some of my parents land. Due to missed work because of health problems my parents needed some money and reluctantly decieded to have some of there land logged out. Not being too keen on the idea of having someone driving a skidder around on his land, my dad decided to let the amish do it as they promissed to do it all using horse teams. That lasted all of 2 days before the big team of 200 or more horses showed up all painted yellow with a big john deer on the side. Dad was pretty pissed but left it go since they already started and as I said, they needed the money. Since they started in Jan. he told them he would leave his garge unlocked so they could warm up and have a place to eat their lunch. He soon started to regret that when he noticed many of his tools turned up missing, only to return a few days later broken. The amish of coarse denied using them. When they were all finished, they packed up and left not only without repairing the fields and driveway as they agreed to do, but left the woods and absolute mess. Cutting down several trees they weren't suppost too, leaving tops and branches daming up streams, cutting down and leaving whole trees lay for no reason. Then only paid 3/4 of the agreed price for the logs they took. The real kick in the balls came a month or so later when they got their phone bill for that month. The whole time they were there they were constantly going to the house and asking my mom to use the phone, running up almost $600 worth of long distance calls. How's that for "hating them for no reason at all"?
If the inbreading isn't a problem, why do some offer to pay to impregnate their daughters? This one I my self thought was complete B.S. that people were making up until I was shown newspaper ads from both punxy and indiana for "verile men 18 to 15 for breeding purposes". I've heard of, but haven't seen, similer ads run in other areas. I suppose it's possible, but seems pretty unlikely to me, that someone could have payed for these ads just to bash the amish.
That being said, I have met some honest and admireable amish, but in this area they seem to be in a great minority. They are very hard working people, but from what I've seen and experienced (working in lumber mills and as a logger myself, infact doing some for the amish) they don't work that much harder (in some cases not as hard) as most others doing the same type of work. Alot of time they get more done simply because they have twice as many people there to do the same work.

P.S. I don't like hippys either (todays "rainbow people"; much different from the hippys of the 60's and 70's) but that is another rant for another time.

[ERiC_AiXeLsyD]

There's a difference between Amish & Mennennite... I though Mennenites can drive & use electriciry & so forth, but the Amish can't?

[JeffLeeper]

There are different degrees of Ordnungs.....some a little more liberal than others...but usually if you see electricity in one's house , they're Mennonite - also followers of Jacob Amman , but a little more worldly.

[ain soph aur]

Oh , and BTW....only 2 states in the US have laws against marriage between 1st. cousins , and the percentage of birth defects due to 1st. cousin marriage is less than 1% more than unrelated couples....so that shoots that in the foot.....even if it were as prevalent as some folks would like to think.

That's pretty interesting, I never heard that before. I have noticed though I see and know a lot of people with kids who have birth defects, but I have never noticed any Amish kids with birth defects...

at least in my area anyway...

Of which is the western part of the state... Jefferson, Clearfield counties. So to that I would have to say I have in all my life I have never met anyone that had a problem with the Amish, and I know a lot of people that have worked closely with them. Not to mention so many problems... not to say it's not true, but there is always two sides to any story. As for not "holding any water", my comments are based on the religious aspects of the Old Order Amish society... the doctrines of the religion itself. Never did I make any claim that they were ALL perfect! Nor do I claim to be some kind of Amish police charting down their every missgiving. There are Amish that drive too, big deal... their are Catholics that take birth control and that goes against their doctrines.

Talk about "holding water"... under your reasoning then blacks too should all be wiped out because some of them commit crimes. Or how about the Indians being wiped out because of their Pagan beliefs? You would think by now we would learn. Just because there are some bad apples doesn't justify lumping them all into one catagory and wiping them all out. If that was the case then no race should be allowed to continue. I am Indian and Pennsylvania Dutch so I guess I'm really in need of being wiped out.

Where the problem lies with the taxes is that many in this area are operating lumber mills, logging, and building furniture strictly for profit, yet don't have to follow the same laws that would govern the same exact buisness if you or I owned it. Being as how they buy and sell alot of things as "cash only", avoiding the taxes, they don't have to carry workers comp. insurance, or abide by minimum wage or child labor laws.

They MOST CERTAINLY do have to abide by the EXACT SAME laws you and I do! That is completely false! Granted, they will deal in cash to avade the government when they can... BUT WHO DOESN'T??? I'd say there is a hell of a lot more
modern people paying with and working for cash than Amish! Your talking millions compared to thousands LITERALLY! The ONLY tax they don't pay into is Social Security, and they NEVER receive SS either... so no cries there!

They are required to provide workmans comp insurance just like anyone else, and NO, they rarely don't because they rarely hire outside their own... by doing this they don't ever need it. Same as SS why pay for it if you never use it? This is where community is huge, they don't need government assistance when they are down and out because they take care of their own. Again, no cries there. As long as they are not tapping into monies they don't pay into their isn't any issue there, but just as a side note they DO pay school taxes even though they usually DON'T use the schools. Go figure.

The child labor laws... the kids are in school until 8th grade and then start working, at about the same age as most kids start working ontop of going to school. They are not prisoners, they can and sometimes do leave their communities for the modern world. After 8th grade they go to work in mills and shops, but that is considered the same as going to a trade/vacational school and is the only reason why the government "allows" it. Until they are 18 the pay does go to the father and does IN FACT GO ON HIS W2 AND HAS TAXES TAKEN OUT JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER AMERICAN ON APRIL 15.

So all of these sterotypes are just that, and without any factual basis.

There's a difference between Amish & Mennennite... I though Mennenites can drive & use electriciry & so forth, but the Amish can't?

Amish, Pennslyvania Dutch, and Mennonites are different sects that all broke from Anabaptist movement. The religious beliefs are mostly the same and differ in technology, using public schools, and dress. There is nothing that they "can't" do, different groups decide for themselves what modern things they will or will not have. Mennonites and Progressive Amish are much more modern driving cars, using electricity, going to college and EVEN GETTING LOANS. People often mistakenly see some Amish doing some things and think they are hypocrites because "they aren't allowed" without any real understanding that they each decide what things they are and aren't allowed... we are simply too accustomed to a religion setting the guidelines of "right and wrong" with no exceptions and if we don't like it we find another religion. But, much the same if a Amish person does't like the guidelines where they live they can move to another Amish society... they just don't have to leave their religion entirely (another lesson that could be learned). Basiclly the self impossed restrictions are due to wether or not if they believe something will be benificial to keeping their families together and strong. Gee something else that we can learn from... broken homes seem to be the thing of the time in which we live.

[JeffLeeper]

It's nice to see someone who actually takes the time to learn about the subject he writes about....
....instead of buying into the rumor of the week. Kudos.

[Banned]

OK OK...lol
It's true I don't like the amish A) because the ripped off my parents B) cause they smell bad C) cause of the hairy women and D) cause it drives me nuts to get behind them in traffic. Beyond that I could really give 2 shits less about them. My first post was originally written as a joke, then I decided to make some changes to it to see what kinda shit I could stir up.
My second post was mainly directed at ain soph aur because I know how she hates to not get the last word in and even more to be told she's wrong. Knowing how fond she is of writing book size posts (and emails for that matter) I decided to throw a book size post back at her. Sorry for pissing everyone off, but I do that sometimes when I'm bored.

One thing I was kind of wondering tho, Hurricane, what does Dave Lombardo have to do with any of this. Slayer sure as hell isn't amish.

[Imgrimm01]

I killed an amish girl one time NOT because she was amish but because she was on the side of the road... I kill hitchhikers and drifters as a hobby, I wish I could stop but it's got me like the " H " man I can't shake it.

[PastorofMuppets]

one of my ex girlfriend used to have amish in here family and she would get so mad at me when i would call them 'aim-ish' and crack dealers. this was at the height when the amish out near strongstown where busted for having crack.