PSU Sanctions

[Banned]

We get it Joe....you don't like Penn State.

I didn't like the cult of personality that grew around a coach who had not won a national championship in 25 years. I feel he had lost his ability to run this great program about 15 years ago. He had so much power that no one at PSU even dared suggest that he step down.

The cult of personality encouraged the good ole boy mentality, and no one could even question a retired coach. If Jeopa had been asked to step down about 15 years ago, like most other organizations would have done, Sandusky would not been able to have gone on with his crimes.

Well,you can believe what you want,even if Paterno stepped down 15 years ago,there's no guarantee Sandusky wouldn't have done the crimes he did. After all,he had access to just about anywhere on the campus-that was included in his retirement plan. And I'd have to say that ANY coach that has too much power in any college sport...that's the administrations fault for letting it get that way.

Yes, the administration were cowards and Joepa was a tyrant. Another coach just might have looked into the strange allegations surrounding Sandusky. To another coach, Sandusky would not have been his ex defensive coordinator nor his 30 year close friend.

[f.sciarrillo]

'Legal experts say according to the NCAA constitution, the association may've violated its procedures when it delivered tough sanctions against Penn State Monday.'

http://wearecentralpa.com/fulltext-news?nxd_id=388502

It was so nice to see the PSU administration just accept the sanctions against them from the NCAA....way to take a stand for the current student body. Let's punish the kids that are there now that had nothing to do with all this bullshit....

Rodney Erickson said that he was faced with either taking the sanctions or face the death penalty. What would anyone do in that situation? I would take the sanctions.

[onegunguitar]

'Legal experts say according to the NCAA constitution, the association may've violated its procedures when it delivered tough sanctions against Penn State Monday.'

http://wearecentralpa.com/fulltext-news?nxd_id=388502

It was so nice to see the PSU administration just accept the sanctions against them from the NCAA....way to take a stand for the current student body. Let's punish the kids that are there now that had nothing to do with all this bullshit....

Rodney Erickson said that he was faced with either taking the sanctions or face the death penalty. What would anyone do in that situation? I would take the sanctions.

http://ps4rs.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/m ... stitution/

[Naga]

You know,... When it comes down to it, no matter whose report we read, and no matter what we all speculate, and who we believe and follow,... It really doesn't matter. We can't go back and change the past, and rearrange things. A bunch of kids' lives were sent down a wrong path, and let's face it... The report, the sanction, the charges, whose trials begin, whose end,... You can believe, read, follow, indoctrinate, whatever you all want. I'm gonna make it simple and say that no one is going to step forth and say "I did it!". JoePa did say "I didn't do enough", which interprets as, "Ok, MAYBE I had some involvement" to me. Not like it really matters what he'd say right now though, right? It doesn't matter where it happened though, and who did what or didn't do what. Those little details? Who gives a shit! The point of the matter is, kids' lives were changed, ruined. taken down the wrong path

As for the whole truth? We're not going to find out (take a hint, please!). I doubt Sandusky's going to write a book some day and give full details about his side life, behind the curtain. Some of the now adults may write some memoirs. But, all the things going up to now can't be changed. And there's a lot of BS written about trying to decide what for who, pointing fingers about who's doing something slightly wrong. Well, take your best shot. Do it right, do it wrong,... A LOT of people are going to gripe. And really, a lot of people should just step outside of the boxes they're in. Should Penn State get the axe? I dunno. I doubt there'll be a proper punishment fitting the whole thing, so let's see who jumps to just appease, to make it look like they're "doing right". And moreover, take a good read over what you said, and your finger-pointing. There's little that truly matters when we won't see justice in its fullest EXTREME. But oh well. Football goes on. Recovery is going to be as fast as possible, so we can just forget and go back to watching football. Whatever!

I just have to wonder how the victims see the whole charade. Do they think justice has been done at the end of the day? Why/why not? What would they change? And how do they see the circus, the rings, the animals, the animal tamers? That matters

[f.sciarrillo]

'Penn State head: "Heavy" sanctions better than alternative'

Rodney Erickson was on 'Face the Nation' this morning.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57 ... ternative/

[lonewolf]

'Penn State head: "Heavy" sanctions better than alternative'

Rodney Erickson was on 'Face the Nation' this morning.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57 ... ternative/

In other words, he was coerced.

[songsmith]

No school is forced to play in NCAA events. No student if forced to take those scholarships. A four year scholarship which includes tuition, and room and board is probably worth in excess of $60,000, which is certainly more than nothing.

Really? You want the people responsible for providing the entertainment ( all spectator sports is simply entertainment) to PAY for the right to provide said entertainment, when many billions of dollars are made by others?
You should own a nightclub.
The LEAST they should get is a free education. What does it cost to get into a PSU game? Multiply that times 100,000. Multiply THAT times the number of home games. Add in all the PSU merch, which the NCAA takes a cut of, despite not doing anything to get it. Add in the boost to the local economy, which is ASTRONOMICAL. Add the revenue from tailgating (millions per game). Add revenue from those broadcasting games.

And finally, you and I agree on something: PSU does not have to be a part of the NCAA. They should leave, and so should everyone else, and a bunch of business-suits can play their OWN goddamn football, if they want to make money from it. The players at PSU are not responsible for the crimes, or the cover-up, in any form. Understood, there should be sanctions. But the people involved are not at PSU anymore, and that should be reflected in the sanctions.

[onegunguitar]

No school is forced to play in NCAA events. No student if forced to take those scholarships. A four year scholarship which includes tuition, and room and board is probably worth in excess of $60,000, which is certainly more than nothing.

Really? You want the people responsible for providing the entertainment ( all spectator sports is simply entertainment) to PAY for the right to provide said entertainment, when many billions of dollars are made by others?
You should own a nightclub.
The LEAST they should get is a free education. What does it cost to get into a PSU game? Multiply that times 100,000. Multiply THAT times the number of home games. Add in all the PSU merch, which the NCAA takes a cut of, despite not doing anything to get it. Add in the boost to the local economy, which is ASTRONOMICAL. Add the revenue from tailgating (millions per game). Add revenue from those broadcasting games.

And finally, you and I agree on something: PSU does not have to be a part of the NCAA. They should leave, and so should everyone else, and a bunch of business-suits can play their OWN goddamn football, if they want to make money from it. The players at PSU are not responsible for the crimes, or the cover-up, in any form. Understood, there should be sanctions. But the people involved are not at PSU anymore, and that should be reflected in the sanctions.

+1

[Banned]

No school is forced to play in NCAA events. No student if forced to take those scholarships. A four year scholarship which includes tuition, and room and board is probably worth in excess of $60,000, which is certainly more than nothing.

Really? You want the people responsible for providing the entertainment ( all spectator sports is simply entertainment) to PAY for the right to provide said entertainment, when many billions of dollars are made by others?
You should own a nightclub.
The LEAST they should get is a free education. What does it cost to get into a PSU game? Multiply that times 100,000. Multiply THAT times the number of home games. Add in all the PSU merch, which the NCAA takes a cut of, despite not doing anything to get it. Add in the boost to the local economy, which is ASTRONOMICAL. Add the revenue from tailgating (millions per game). Add revenue from those broadcasting games.

And finally, you and I agree on something: PSU does not have to be a part of the NCAA. They should leave, and so should everyone else, and a bunch of business-suits can play their OWN goddamn football, if they want to make money from it. The players at PSU are not responsible for the crimes, or the cover-up, in any form. Understood, there should be sanctions. But the people involved are not at PSU anymore, and that should be reflected in the sanctions.

Really what? The student athlete are forced to take those scholarships? Many student athletes play college sports without a scholarship, just for the pleasure of playing the sport. I was one, I wrestled for 2 years at a Div. III college. No scholarships are given to any of the thousands of athletes who participate in a sport while in a Div. III college. Most at a Div. II schools do not get scholarships either.

There is such a thing as doing something because you love doing it. Or you like the challenge of it.

In a post, you called these student athletes slaves. Well, a 4 year degree from PSU is closer to $80,000.00,... some slavery.

"Pennsylvania State University had the highest in-state tuition for a four-year public university at $15,250 during the 2010-11 school year. When the costs of room, board and other expenses are factored in, the total rises to $19,816, the fourth highest net price nationwide."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/12/av ... z223ELRLFl

[songsmith]

I wrestled for 2 years at a Div. III college. No scholarships are given to any of the thousands of athletes who participate in a sport while in a Div. III college.

There it is. There's the motivation. 30 year old jealousy.
Perhaps if you were playing at PSU level...

[Banned]

I wrestled for 2 years at a Div. III college. No scholarships are given to any of the thousands of athletes who participate in a sport while in a Div. III college.

There it is. There's the motivation. 30 year old jealousy.
Perhaps if you were playing at PSU level...

It was 40 years ago this Sept. I was happy wrestling at a Div. III level, only my 3rd year at the sport, since I only went out for wrestling in my junior year in HS. I know you have jealousy of everyone at PSU who makes more money than you (I guess that would be all of them), but I have no jealousy of any other wrestler at any level. Just appreciation.

[f.sciarrillo]

'Penn State head: "Heavy" sanctions better than alternative'

Rodney Erickson was on 'Face the Nation' this morning.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57 ... ternative/

In other words, he was coerced.

That is what it looks like.

[lonewolf]

PSU can ignore the fine and sanctions and drop out of the NCAA. No one is forcing them to stay.

No? How about a half million living alumni* and 95,000 current students?

Even Stossel acknowledges there are some things where the Stossel theory doesn't work.

*largest verified number on the planet

[Banned]

PSU can ignore the fine and sanctions and drop out of the NCAA. No one is forcing them to stay.

No? How about a half million living alumni* and 95,000 current students?

Even Stossel acknowledges there are some things where the Stossel theory doesn't work.

*largest verified number on the planet

So if the alumni and students are forcing them to stay with the NCAA, take your lumps and STFU. Quit crying about the fine and penalty, or get the hell out.

[songsmith]

I know you have jealousy of everyone at PSU who makes more money than you (I guess that would be all of them),

Nice grade-school form on the comeback, (I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I), but we were focusing on YOUR motivation for your extremist stance. I'd point out that I'M the one who wants other people (players) to get paid, and that my income is STILL plenty for me. It appears once again that I have your number. I'm satisfied with that, and no longer wish to be a part of your vitriol. I'm sticking to joey-free threads, the joe-tainted threads are pointless exercises in futility.

[Banned]

I know you have jealousy of everyone at PSU who makes more money than you (I guess that would be all of them),

Nice grade-school form on the comeback, (I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I), but we were focusing on YOUR motivation for your extremist stance. I'd point out that I'M the one who wants other people (players) to get paid, and that my income is STILL plenty for me. It appears once again that I have your number. I'm satisfied with that, and no longer wish to be a part of your vitriol. I'm sticking to joey-free threads, the joe-tainted threads are pointless exercises in futility.

Fuck you little stumpy boy. Anytime you want to mix it up douch. You are jealous of so many things and so many people. You then project your base vice of envy onto others who have none. A common act among liberal weanies.

What is extremist about saying if you don't like some organization's rules, leave the organization???? I know it is a complex thought for your strained brain pan, but ask someone unfortunate enough to be near you to explain the concept to you.

[shredder138]

Funny, I only check rockpage out every once in a while just to see ucj got banned yet. Come on Jim lets get it done already! I'll be back in a month.

[Banned]

Funny, I only check rockpage out every once in a while just to see ucj got banned yet. Come on Jim lets get it done already! I'll be back in a month.

That is funny, but it took a few months for johnny to start with his insults again.

[lonewolf]

PSU can ignore the fine and sanctions and drop out of the NCAA. No one is forcing them to stay.

No? How about a half million living alumni* and 95,000 current students?

Even Stossel acknowledges there are some things where the Stossel theory doesn't work.

*largest verified number on the planet

So if the alumni and students are forcing them to stay with the NCAA, take your lumps and STFU. Quit crying about the fine and penalty, or get the hell out.

The nice thing about a huge, proud alumni is that there are huge numbers of proud, talented lawyers and others who are getting together as we speak to shove the Freeh report and the NCAA decision based on it where they came from...where the sun don't shine.

[whitedevilone]

Funny, I only check rockpage out every once in a while just to see ucj got banned yet. Come on Jim lets get it done already! I'll be back in a month.

We should ban drunk posting.

[Banned]

No? How about a half million living alumni* and 95,000 current students?

Even Stossel acknowledges there are some things where the Stossel theory doesn't work.

*largest verified number on the planet

So if the alumni and students are forcing them to stay with the NCAA, take your lumps and STFU. Quit crying about the fine and penalty, or get the hell out.

The nice thing about a huge, proud alumni is that there are huge numbers of proud, talented lawyers and others who are getting together as we speak to shove the Freeh report and the NCAA decision based on it where they came from...where the sun don't shine.

The good thing about the number of PSU alumni is that they are a drop in the bucket to the numbers of taxpayers in the state. Most of us don't give one shit what the alumni think. Their wants and blindness to the lack of morals at the Joepa administration are insignificant to the public at large.

[lonewolf]

So if the alumni and students are forcing them to stay with the NCAA, take your lumps and STFU. Quit crying about the fine and penalty, or get the hell out.

The nice thing about a huge, proud alumni is that there are huge numbers of proud, talented lawyers and others who are getting together as we speak to shove the Freeh report and the NCAA decision based on it where they came from...where the sun don't shine.

The good thing about the number of PSU alumni is that they are a drop in the bucket to the numbers of taxpayers in the state. Most of us don't give one shit what the alumni think. Their wants and blindness to the lack of morals at the Joepa administration are insignificant to the public at large.

Heh, heh, heh...take another look at the make up of the BOT. Even if the "public at large" is 100% in the Tinfoil Hat Club...and I "believe" that its "more reasonable" to assume that they aren't...I doubt they'll have enough seats at the table. I also "believe" that it is "more reasonable" to assume that state politicians don't have the balls to get anywhere near in between the alumni and the NCAA. Since when do you rely on big-government politicians?

Hmmm...did I use the same wording as the Freeh report conclusions? It only seems "more reasonable." ROFLMAO!

[Banned]

Are you starting to put words in my mouth like our favorite part time retail, legend in his own mind, worker? I never said ANYTHING about big government politicians, you did.

The public who is about 99 point something NOT PSU graduates do not have the blinders on. Face the facts most of us see clearly, Joepa who was in a position of utmost, godlike authority, did nothing to see if children were harmed in his facilities.

[onegunguitar]

http://michaelbucknerlaw.wordpress.com/ ... enn-state/

[lonewolf]

Are you starting to put words in my mouth like our favorite part time retail, legend in his own mind, worker? I never said ANYTHING about big government politicians, you did.

The public who is about 99 point something NOT PSU graduates do not have the blinders on. Face the facts most of us see clearly, Joepa who was in a position of utmost, godlike authority, did nothing to see if children were harmed in his facilities.

Sorry Joe, my bad. I thought you implied that the taxpayers would actually do something besides sit on their asses at their TV (or ipad) and utter (or text) some non-descript phrase at the mention (or newsfeed post) of PSU alumni using their own time and resources for an investigation into the incident.

The only thing that taxpayers can do is go whining to some government agency or politician who will tell them that there is nothing they can do about it.