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[lonewolf]

Then you tell them that PSU had forbid this same friend from showering with young boys at PSU facilities.

And the cop would bid you good day and leave. Press the matter and you'll probably get a stern warning. Continue after the warning and you may even receive a demonstration of accepted restraining techniques.

Joepa should have got McQueary in the car with him and driven to the police station.

He literally "went by the book." To expect otherwise is counter-intuitive and just plain doesn't make any sense. It is hindsight twisted around into a pretzel and dunked in kool-aid.

He should have called his friend and asked him the name of the young boy he had in the shower. He then should have asked his friend what the hell was he doing in a shower all alone with a young boy. He then should had told his friend he was seen raping a young boy in those showers.

Tipping off Sandusky is obstruction of justice and possibly accessory after the fact.

I know the PSU degree is a major cause of myopia, but try to focus, the majority of the country sees this corruption the same way I do.

Majority of the country--wow, does that have the ring of big-government politicians! When did you become a sheeple? I suppose, just like the majority of the country, you also failed to actually read the report?

Since when is American justice supposed to be held in the Court Of Public Opinion?

I always have a healthy case of skepticism, especially after I noticed that several of the conclusions begin with: "The Special Investigative Counsel finds that it is more reasonable to conclude... "More reasonable"...just what the hell does that mean..."more reasonable?"

I'll tell you what it means...that the author is pretty sure that his opinion on what happened is more probable than that of the stated testimony. Why not a definitive "The Special Investigative Councel concludes....?" Because there is not enough evidence to make a definitive conclusion on these points

MORE REASONABLE = MORE PROBABLE = REASONABLE DOUBT

This report is replete with conjecture and "more reasonable" conclusions and even "beliefs". That may be enough for an indictment, but it doesn't even come close to conviction or, more importantly, revealing the truth on the matter.

I simply want the truth.

[Banned]

Jeff, this is not a CSI type case, with forensic evidence, and fancy lawyer maneuvers.

A beast raped young boys and another man ignored it.

The rapist is a criminal. That second man was morally corrupt.

[lonewolf]

Jeff, this is not a CSI type case, with forensic evidence, and fancy lawyer maneuvers.

Since when are the fundamental concepts of due process, preponderance of evidence and reasonable doubt "forensic evidence, and fancy lawyer maneuvers?"

[Banned]

But it's ok when the Catholic chuch does it..............

Yea...what,like 3000 counts of it? Of course it's ok then. Maybe they should tear down their churches

That's right....agreed.

[Banned]

Jeff, this is not a CSI type case, with forensic evidence, and fancy lawyer maneuvers.

Since when are the fundamental concepts of due process, preponderance of evidence and reasonable doubt "forensic evidence, and fancy lawyer maneuvers?"

When a man is raping children. Don't you understand that?

[lonewolf]

As to the argument that the Freeh Report had an agenda.... OF COURSE IT DID! Every investigation has an agenda. The agenda is to find out what happened. I am not a trained investigator, nor am I a former head of the FBI. I think Freeh has more credentals than anyone on this message board to conduct an investigation.

You bet he does...

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=5136

[Jim Price]

http://pennstatermag.com/2012/07/24/the ... e-victims/

[Banned]

This came up on a radio talk show and it made me think. Why didn't some of the victims come forward on their own. Why years later, as young men, didn't they blow the whistle on this monster.

There were reports that Sandusky had threatened some of the boys.

And maybe because he had one of the most powerful men in the state of Pennsylvania running interference for him. Who could go up against someone with the powerful God Almighty Joe Paterno backing him?

Maybe all this will make sure no one will ever look the other way when allegations and evidence of child rape are present.

[onegunguitar]

I was talking with a driver today that works for PSU..he told me they were in the process of tearing down the wall behind where the statue was this morning. What's next? Take down the additions to Beaver Stadium? Tear down the stadium all together?

[Banned]

I was talking with a driver today that works for PSU..he told me they were in the process of tearing down the wall behind where the statue was this morning. What's next? Take down the additions to Beaver Stadium? Tear down the stadium all together?

Good question. I don't know why they took down the statues of those football players. The only football player involved in this whole fuckin mess did something right (he could have done more, but at least he took a step) . He told someone with power to do something about it.

[Bag]

Hey undercoverjoe. Actually READ this please. Then comment on it.

http://www.lockhaven.com/page/content.d ... 4.facebook

[lonewolf]

Jeff, this is not a CSI type case, with forensic evidence, and fancy lawyer maneuvers.

Since when are the fundamental concepts of due process, preponderance of evidence and reasonable doubt "forensic evidence, and fancy lawyer maneuvers?"

When a man is raping children. Don't you understand that?

I see. So what you are saying is that for this specific crime, we should throw out the concepts associated with Life, Liberty and Property and take up totalitarian ideals to prosecute it?

[font=sarcasm]That's very libertarian of you, Joe.[/font]

[onegunguitar]

I was talking with a driver today that works for PSU..he told me they were in the process of tearing down the wall behind where the statue was this morning. What's next? Take down the additions to Beaver Stadium? Tear down the stadium all together?

Good question. I don't know why they took down the statues of those football players. The only football player involved in this whole fuckin mess did something right (he could have done more, but at least he took a step) . He told someone with power to do something about it.

I'm assuming the football player you are talking about is McQueary? If so,why didn't he do more? Why didn't he just go to the police himself? Why didn't he do follow ups? Why didn't he be the hero and confront Sandusky in the shower that day? You say he could of done more but at least he took a step...so did Joe Paterno,he could have done more but he did take a step in the right direction as well.

[timemoney0]

Sandusky should have shown up at his trial wearing a clergy collar and said : I'm a catholec priest and Penn State is the pope.

[Banned]

Since when are the fundamental concepts of due process, preponderance of evidence and reasonable doubt "forensic evidence, and fancy lawyer maneuvers?"

When a man is raping children. Don't you understand that?

I see. So what you are saying is that for this specific crime, we should throw out the concepts associated with Life, Liberty and Property and take up totalitarian ideals to prosecute it?

[font=sarcasm]That's very libertarian of you, Joe.[/font]

Jeff, I give up. Joepa did his very best. I guess he was so senile that he could not think like a moral person.

[lonewolf]

When a man is raping children. Don't you understand that?

I see. So what you are saying is that for this specific crime, we should throw out the concepts associated with Life, Liberty and Property and take up totalitarian ideals to prosecute it?

[font=sarcasm]That's very libertarian of you, Joe.[/font]

When you hear that a man was raping a boy, you go and find out. Why are you so pro child sodomy protective?

That's a silly question. I am not protecting any child sodomy.

Now that the monster who perpetrated the crimes is behind bars, no child is threatened by him any longer. There is little that we can do to ease the victims' suffering, but more than anything in this world...

WE OWE THEM NOTHING LESS THAN THE FULL TRUTH...WHEREVER IT LEADS

We do not yet know the full truth behind this matter and there was never any need to rush to judgement until all the criminal charges are prosecuted, all the communications scrutinized by several sources and all the testimony from those concerned is taken.

Travesty wouldn't even begin to describe the situation if a bonafide witness came forward at the trials with evidence that cleared Paterno and any of the others from any culpability. As unlikely as that may seem with the certainty of a tinfoil hat, justice has not yet been served...except for that of the Court Of Public Opinion.

The Freeh report is a joke. It is so full of holes that a paralegal could defend against it in a court of law and win...as long as their opposition didn't use any fancy lawyer maneuvers. The University and NCAA erred by accepting such a document, especially before all the verdicts were in and I believe that they will regret the day they did...

As we have the the largest verified number of living alumni and largest dues-paying alumni association in the world, you can bet your ass that we will get to the bottom of this...wherever it leads.

[Banned]

I am not protecting any child sodomy.

To many of us, you know, the non-cultists, those not baptized in the Church of Joepa Most High, we see protection of a child rape enabler.

[StumbleFingers]

We do not yet know the full truth behind this matter and there was never any need to rush to judgement until all the criminal charges are prosecuted, all the communications scrutinized by several sources and all the testimony from those concerned is taken.

Travesty wouldn't even begin to describe the situation if a bonafide witness came forward at the trials with evidence that cleared Paterno and any of the others from any culpability.

What sort of evidence would exonerate them? Maybe Sandusky wasn't really a child molester, but I'm not holding out much hope for that.

At best, they received a report of child molestation and didn't take it seriously enough. In Paterno's own words he should have done more. Maybe we, the PSU faithful, forgive them for making an honest mistake. But the reaction we've seen from the rest of the country isn't unlike Paterno's reaction when a receiver dropped a touchdown pass. "Oops, my bad" just wouldn't cut it. You would get yelled at and humiliated, you would sit your ass down on the bench, then you would get a pat on the shoulder and be encouraged to do better next time. That's what's happening to PSU now. Neither the NCAA nor the Big Ten wants to see Penn State fail in the long run.

[lonewolf]

We do not yet know the full truth behind this matter and there was never any need to rush to judgement until all the criminal charges are prosecuted, all the communications scrutinized by several sources and all the testimony from those concerned is taken.

Travesty wouldn't even begin to describe the situation if a bonafide witness came forward at the trials with evidence that cleared Paterno and any of the others from any culpability.

What sort of evidence would exonerate them? Maybe Sandusky wasn't really a child molester, but I'm not holding out much hope for that.

At best, they received a report of child molestation and didn't take it seriously enough. In Paterno's own words he should have done more. Maybe we, the PSU faithful, forgive them for making an honest mistake. But the reaction we've seen from the rest of the country isn't unlike Paterno's reaction when a receiver dropped a touchdown pass. "Oops, my bad" just wouldn't cut it. You would get yelled at and humiliated, you would sit your ass down on the bench, then you would get a pat on the shoulder and be encouraged to do better next time. That's what's happening to PSU now. Neither the NCAA nor the Big Ten wants to see Penn State fail in the long run.

I have no idea what sort of evidence would exonerate Paterno or the remaining defendants--unlike those who came to unsubstantiated conclusions based on deduction that is equivalent to saying that 1+1=3, I do not have a tinfoil hat.

I surely did not mean to imply any exoneration of Sandusky. The rest of your post is nothing but more conjecture and innuendo that has grown tiresome and redundant. I have no more time for conjecture and innuendo.

[lonewolf]

I am not protecting any child sodomy.

To many of us, you know, the non-cultists, those not baptized in the Church of Joepa Most High, we see protection of a child rape enabler.

You may call the likes of Paterno, et. al. whatever you like;

however, I am not a "public figure" and I think it would be in your best interest if you were more careful about what you write on a public board.

[StumbleFingers]

I have no more time for conjecture and innuendo.

Of course you do. You're Doing Nothing.

[onegunguitar]

Here is an article from an Ohio State Alumni.....

http://pennstatetrustee.com/2012/07/25/ ... d-at-last/

[RobTheDrummer]

Here is an article from an Ohio State Alumni.....

http://pennstatetrustee.com/2012/07/25/ ... d-at-last/

Joe could have banished Sandusky forever, but he didn't.

[f.sciarrillo]

'Former Penn State President Graham Spanier, accused of covering up sexual abuse allegations in Jerry Sandusky case, lands security job with federal government'

http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ss ... nt_gr.html

I am really biting my tongue here. I mean seriously biting it..

[onegunguitar]

'Former Penn State President Graham Spanier, accused of covering up sexual abuse allegations in Jerry Sandusky case, lands security job with federal government'

http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ss ... nt_gr.html

I am really biting my tongue here. I mean seriously biting it..

I feel alot safer now