Penn State leaders showed 'total disregard' for victims,

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Sunday Jul 15, 2012

undercoverjoe wrote:The boys Sandusky abused were not just random locals. He recruited them with his "youth mentoring charity organization", they came from all over.

I see. Are you saying that you don't object to having a high profile coach who is secretly a child abuser in the area as long as he recruits his prey from elsewhere?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sunday Jul 15, 2012

I never gave the idea any thought whatsoever. A big time, high profile, Div I college coach would never go near a Div. III startup program. They have way too much ego to go from playing Notre Dame in front of millions on TV to potentially playing the Lil Sisters from Mt. Aloysius.

edit: The chance of Sandusky taking that Div. III job was less than zero. That was why I was not concerned.

KeithReynolds · Post by **KeithReynolds** » Sunday Jul 15, 2012

lonewolf wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote:The boys Sandusky abused were not just random locals. He recruited them with his "youth mentoring charity organization", they came from all over.
I see. Are you saying that you don't object to having a high profile coach who is secretly a child abuser in the area as long as he recruits his prey from elsewhere?

why would they let him coach a team?? they ALL knew what he was. Oh yeah, thats right, they covered his fetishes up.

Anyway. I knew you had a connection to penn state lonewolf. Just by how you are defending everything. Especially patty.
Its funny how you call sandusky a monster, but still idolize his enabling friend. patty KNEW what sandusky was doing. Come on. You seriously think he didnt??? Arent you some kind of smart guy or something?? Are you sure??

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Sunday Jul 15, 2012

KeithReynolds wrote: Anyway. I knew you had a connection to penn state lonewolf. Just by how you are defending everything. Especially patty.
Its funny how you call sandusky a monster, but still idolize his enabling friend. patty KNEW what sandusky was doing. Come on. You seriously think he didnt??? Arent you some kind of smart guy or something?? Are you sure??

We alumni do not want anything but the truth--if that leads to the fall of Paterno's legacy, so be it. I seriously think that, at present, there is no evidence that Paterno did anything wrong, whether legally or morally. The same cannot be said for his superiors and I'm sure as hell not defending them.

I challenge anybody to show me proof to the contrary.

What there is, is a lot of conjecture and innuendo from people who weren't anywhere near the situation, many of whom never even read the report.

I also seriously think that only a necro-telepath can know what Paterno knew and what his intentions were. Since none of those have come forward, I pay no attention to claims of what Paterno knew. Based on the present information, there is only one living person who can clarify Paterno's knowledge and intent. The key to the truth is whether Curley comes clean on the details of his "updates" with Paterno.

KeithReynolds · Post by **KeithReynolds** » Sunday Jul 15, 2012

Ask yourself this: How could he NOT know? Queery told him. Thats the only time we KNOW of that patty was told. He shouldve called the cops, especially when he saw nothing was done.
He couldnt do that of course, because he was in the hush hush club. He stood for integrity right? Where the fuck was his integrity for THIS situation? If the person was NOT a buddy of his, it would have been different.
Why did he not tell the police? why did queery not tell them? or the people he told? The administrators? they ALLLLLLL committed crimes.

Alot of things you do or believe, you dont need proof for. This situation, you are going so far to need proof for. Probability and facts say the patty knew. I am sorry that it turned out that he wasnt as wholesome as he said. Thats how it is for alot of people. They speak about one thing, but dont follow it in their own lives.
We arent talking about parking tickets here. Dont let something like this be covered up or hushed up. It will bite you in the ass. CLEARLY.
Not to mention, its just WRONG to let a child molester remain active & free.

I also think that Sandusky's wife knew something. There's NO WAY he would take a chance being caught doing what he did, but he molested boys at his house while his wife was UPSTAIRS. He took quite a huge risk dont you think? unless she knew and just didnt pay attention. All the boy had to do was scream and Sandusky wouldve been busted by his wife. I think she knew what he was. She should be investigated too.

whitedevilone · Post by **whitedevilone** » Sunday Jul 15, 2012

No doubt that cunt knew all along.He didn't JUST become this monster.He's been this monster forever,and they were married for how long??It was all over her face in court.I installed flooring in Sandusky's house a few years back.It's not a huge home.My wife knows when i'm just sitting in the bathroom reading.Sure as fuck she'd know if i was having forced sex in my basement.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sunday Jul 15, 2012

lonewolf wrote: I seriously think that, at present, there is no evidence that Paterno did anything wrong, whether legally or morally.

There is no evidence that he did anything right. Doing the right thing would entail looking into these allegations of his good friend of 30 years. He did not. The records and legacy were more important.

Bag · Post by **Bag** » Sunday Jul 15, 2012

http://m.delcotimes.com/delcotimes/pm_1 ... d=M8lR19Oe

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Sunday Jul 15, 2012

whitedevilone wrote:No doubt that cunt knew all along.He didn't JUST become this monster.He's been this monster forever,and they were married for how long??It was all over her face in court.I installed flooring in Sandusky's house a few years back.It's not a huge home.My wife knows when i'm just sitting in the bathroom reading.Sure as fuck she'd know if i was having forced sex in my basement.

I agree with that statement.

Bag · Post by **Bag** » Sunday Jul 15, 2012

[quote="KeithReynolds"]Ask yourself this: How could he NOT know? Queery told him. Thats the only time we KNOW of that patty was told. He shouldve called the cops, especially when he saw nothing was done.
He couldnt do that of course, because he was in the hush hush club. He stood for integrity right? Where the fuck was his integrity for THIS situation? If the person was NOT a buddy of his, it would have been different.
Why did he not tell the police? why did queery not tell them? or the people he told? The administrators? they ALLLLLLL committed crimes.

He did EXACTLY what the University protocol says to do. He reported it to his superiors, including Schultz, who is the head of the PSU police.

They didn't know at the time if he was having sex with kids. They only heard that he was in the shower with a kid. He was investigated in '98 by the police, for the same thing and the case was dropped. I don't think they were covering anything up, they were just trying to figure out the right thing to do. If Joe wanted to cover it up, why would he report it up the chain? He would've just told McQueary to drop it. By the way, Sandusky hadn't been an employee at PSU for 13 or 14 years at this point. By all accounts Joe and Sandusky were not "buddies" either.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday Jul 16, 2012

undercoverjoe wrote:
lonewolf wrote: I seriously think that, at present, there is no evidence that Paterno did anything wrong, whether legally or morally.
There is no evidence that he did anything right.

There is more evidence that he did right than anything else in this sordid affair.

Here is a little conjecture for ya that makes a hell of a lot more sense than saying that Paterno basked in the knowledge that little boys were being raped (that is the silliest, most idiotic, stupid, retarded, dumbfucking thing i ever heard):

1st of all, lets assume that the (arguably) busiest man in Pennsylvania and possibly the busiest man over age 70 in the world doesn't have time to deal with an issue that is clearly not even his responsibility in the first place.

The first reaction of a normal individual in a case like this is denial. Denial that a friend or associate would do such a thing.

Sandusky was exonerated by 3 different government agencies in the 1998 incident. Few things would reinforce that denial more than his being cleared. This event may have brought about some suspicion, but it is more likely that because of denial, Paterno would believe that it was all just a misunderstanding. An old school football coach wouldn't bat an eyelash at the mention of football age kids taking a shower in a locker room at the same time as a coach (hopefully this attitude will die a quick death); however, a child's mother who doesn't hold that attitude might object and warrant an investigation.

There is no evidence that McQueary ever told Paterno the true severity of the next incident. Without such knowledge, what is there to stop Paterno from thinking that its probably just another misunderstanding? Rather than write it off, the busiest man in Pennsylvania decided to use the proper PSU standard procedure for a situation like this and took McQueary to his superiors for disposition. Even though it was no longer his responsibility, the busiest man in Pennsylvania also took time to inquire about the investigation's progress.

Once his superiors had the case, it was out of Paterno's hands and he went back to being the busiest man in Pennsylvania. I'm sure that the busiest man in Pennsylvania had some input into the process, but he deferred the final decision to his superiors who had "more expertise"...and weren't so busy.

So there ya have it...more conjecture and speculation that cannot be disputed by the evidence.

KeithReynolds · Post by **KeithReynolds** » Monday Jul 16, 2012

Policies or not. When you see something like this covered up, do the RIGHT thing. Not say "oh well, i told a guy, my job is done". The ones who covered it up, pretty much helped him molest more more. They made it so he could keep doing what he wanted.
Fuck policies and protocol. The man was raping kids. Get half a conscious and morals and call the fucking COPS. Is that so hard to understand??? I hope policies and protocol dont ever get in the way if something like this happens to a member of your family. Maybe you would feel different right? Of course you would.

You are going too far to try to reason what these disgusting assholes did was right. Its a bit weird.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday Jul 16, 2012

KeithReynolds wrote:The man was raping kids. Get half a conscious and morals and call the fucking COPS.

Keith, that was and is my whole point. Paterno didn't know this.

Just like nobody knew about Jeffrey Dahmer or JW Gacy for years.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Jul 16, 2012

lonewolf wrote:doesn't have time to deal with an issue that is clearly not even his responsibility in the first place.

Looking into a potential child raper who has an office next to yours on a PSU Football facility was his responsibility above everything else.

KeithReynolds · Post by **KeithReynolds** » Monday Jul 16, 2012

lonewolf wrote:
KeithReynolds wrote:The man was raping kids. Get half a conscious and morals and call the fucking COPS.
Keith, that was and is my whole point. Paterno didn't know this.

Just like nobody knew about Jeffrey Dahmer or JW Gacy for years.

We know he was atleast told once!!! YEARS ago.
We cant say for certain how much anyone knew. Their whole job was to cover it up and hush it up. theres NO WAY any of them would admit to anything. Especially since they all went to great lengths to cover it up.
Common sense can help you along through this.

By the way, youre a bit wrong on the dahmer and gacy thing. A victim escaped dahmer and actually made it to the police. Dahmer then convinced them that they were lovers in an argument. The cops believed him instead of using common sense and doing their job. They dropped the ball, and let a monster get away.

Gacy also let some people know he was interested in young boys. A wife of his for one. She even participated once. He obviously didnt tell anyone there were over 30 bodies under the house. People knew he had problems though. He was important and they just turned their head.
Both Gacy AND Dahmer molested kids prior to their rape/murders. If those kids wouldve told or a family member had noticed, those monsters wouldnt have been able to do what they did.

Basically, pay attention, use common sens, listen to your gut, and do whats RIGHT if you find something out. Think of all the lives that were ruined just by someone putting the responsibility in another's hands. By hushing up, you are guilty as an accessory to the crime.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Jul 16, 2012

KeithReynolds wrote:Think of all the lives that were ruined just by someone putting the responsibility in another's hands. By hushing up, you are guilty as an accessory to the crime.

That is how so many people see this. Joepa only cared about his legacy. The safety of children is ALLWAYS more important.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday Jul 16, 2012

One of my favorite Ancient Wolfen Proverbs:

Common sense is why the world used to be flat.

KeithReynolds · Post by **KeithReynolds** » Monday Jul 16, 2012

lonewolf wrote:One of my favorite Ancient Wolfen Proverbs:

Common sense is why the world used to be flat.

I can agree with that, but in this case we are talking about 2 different things here. One general and one very specific.
One cool little saying doesnt throw common sense out the window does it??

It doesnt even matter that you arent responding to most of the things that have been said. Theres no where to go really. Excuses cant be made for child molesters and enablers of child molesters. Nothing will ever be good enough.

To anyone: Try explaining to one of the victims or their mothers about why policies, protocols, cool sayings, legacies and football were more important than the victims. Play that scenario out in your head and see if you still have a soul afterward.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Jul 16, 2012

Here is a proverb: True believers are scary. I just made it up.

Bag · Post by **Bag** » Monday Jul 16, 2012

Joe did not know Sandusky was having SEX with kids. Can't you understand that? He was told that JS was in the shower with a kid. McQueary didn't tell Joe that there was sex involved. (And there wasn't, btw)

So, you report it up the chain and one of the people is the HEAD OF CAMPUS POLICE. You are the fucking football coach, not Dick Tracy. You trust that the people who handle that shit are handling it.

Then later, after the shit hits the fan, you're the ONLY one to have the balls to say, "With the BENEFIT OF HINDSIGHT, I wish I'd done more."

KeithReynolds · Post by **KeithReynolds** » Monday Jul 16, 2012

So whats your connection to Penn state bag? or do you just love college football?

Bag · Post by **Bag** » Monday Jul 16, 2012

I try to look at this stuff with an open mind Keith, but I am a college football and PSU fan.

I'm getting tired of the media bashing on the dead guy. The only reason they're doing it is for the ratings. The heat should be on Spanier and Shultz and our great

governor Corbett. But that doesn't sell papers. Joe did everything he's supposed to do. I honestly feel that he felt it would be handled properly by the proper people. (Which he reported it to)

I don't know if you read the links I posted about the Freeh Report, but that thing was a 6 million dollar roll of toilet paper, and that's where all the media are getting their venom. I swear, I don't think any of them actually read the thing. They just want to take down "Saint" Paterno and Penn State because they've had a stellar image in football. It's more fun to nail the Pope than it is to nail Jim Crackhead from Altoona.

Joe gets the benefit of the doubt from me because his whole career has been about helping kids and doing the right thing. No way in hell he enables a pedophile intentionally.

KeithReynolds · Post by **KeithReynolds** » Monday Jul 16, 2012

Why is it so hard for people to understand???
When child molestation is involved.... company or campus policies dont mean SHIT. There's a world which has laws that supercede any of those policies.

Bag · Post by **Bag** » Monday Jul 16, 2012

KeithReynolds wrote:Why is it so hard for people to understand???
When child molestation is involved.... company or campus policies dont mean SHIT. There's a world which has laws that supercede any of those policies.

Then you should be ranting about Mike McQueary. He's the ONLY one that saw anything. Or did he?

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Monday Jul 16, 2012

They changed the name of Peternoville to Nittanyville today.