an MRI costs $1,080 in America and $280 in France

[nakedtwister]

Sweet!!!!

[Hawk]

II don't like socialism or communism either. They cannot work. We are a capitalistic country and we have some social programs. In other words we are a modern society that takes care of people who need help. That's not going to change.

If you want to force everyone to work (it seems your are indicating that people should be forced to work if they are able) THAT IS COMMUNISM. There is NO unemployment in Russia. Everyone HAS to work.

I don't know of anyone who doesn't want to get rid of all of the frauds that suckle off the government tits.

People who want to live extravagant lives ? That IS what capitalism allows. They can spend their wealth any way they want to. DO YOU SEE THAT UNDERCOVERJOE, CAPATALISM ? And Joe says, "Amen" meaning "so be it". Are you guys really against that which capitalism affords ? You two want everyone to work and are against extravagant lifestyles. That's exactly what communism provides. Be careful what you wish for.

People want unchecked lives ? Not sure what that means. I thought that was a Libertarian idea, total freedom, unchecked...

Trace, please understand, I have a great respect for your work ethic ! And a great respect for your busy life.

Thanks Bill, you know I respect you as well - you are one of the few people I can discuss politics with and though our views are quite different it never gets in the way of our friendship.

But I do have one opinion to voice. I personally feel that if you are able to work you should. The choice of not working is fine, but those who make that choice should not expect anything from those who work.

I agree and on the 2nd point I agree ! The problem is catching the frauds without spending a lot of money to catch them. Perhaps we should have a "hot line" ... "Catch a Welfare Fraud". I say that "tongue in cheek" but it might work. Essentially we're on the same page Trace.

[jetcitywoman]

I would just like to know how humans have got to this point without government healthcare....OMG?!?!

they died @35yrs of age.

i'd like to know how humans got along without Wal-Mart, debit cards and polio vaccine?

ask a stupid question..well you know

keep punching ion on time babe

Interesting point. Modern medicine keeps us alive for an average of 80 years despite much less exercise that when we were all working hard in the fields for our food. Despite the fact that we are on average WAY overweight, and more stressed out in a hectic modern world.

So you criticize the cost of modern health care, yet you seem to like the benefits that it keeps us alive much longer than 100 years ago.

Like the average liberal, you want the best but want someone else to pay for it.
.

do you work the fields per chance?

even so, you don't want to avail yourself of AFFORDABLE modern medicine?

i guess my question is what are you against? affordable humane medical care for all, or just for the rich and the time-clock sect (that are paying ever increasing deducts & premiums?)

if you ger sick, god forbid, do you want to best of care or only that whcih you and your medical assurnace can afford?

i GUARNTEE YOU you will be screaming like a new born babe if you can
t get THE care YOU THINK you should get. you are either very young or very foolish, probably both

[Banned]

Yes, I did work the fields. I grew up on a family farm, we grew tomatoes and potatoes along with our dairy production.

I have affordable healthcare that I pay for on my own. I also pay for Medicare and Medicaid and Medical Assistance for many others.

I am against an authoritarian government taking over healthcare and completely ruining it. Have you noticed what it has done to our economy, have you bought a tank full of gas lately? You think they can run a national program? Would you trust your life to a government pencil pushing bureaucrat?

[jetcitywoman]

[quote="undercoverjoe"

I have affordable healthcare that I pay for on my own. [/quote]

turn us all on to your cave dude, cause in case you haven't heard we, in the USA, have a real health care cost crises here!

[Banned]

[quote="undercoverjoe"

I have affordable healthcare that I pay for on my own.

turn us all on to your cave dude, cause in case you haven't heard we, in the USA, have a real health care cost crises here![/quote]

I don't want you anywhere near me or my cave. Yeah, I know about the crisis, its called Obamacare.

[jetcitywoman]

[quote="undercoverjoe"

I have affordable healthcare that I pay for on my own.

turn us all on to your cave dude, cause in case you haven't heard we, in the USA, have a real health care cost crises here!

I don't want you anywhere near me or my cave. Yeah, I know about the crisis, its called Obamacare.[/quote]

you mean spiraling healthcare costs started with his admin?

no matter that this admnin inherited last admin's debt and money sink hole ("the war on terror")


whats your band(if your in one..cause i definitely will never buy your show again

:

[songsmith]

I'd like to point out that there is a difference between "healthcare" and "health insurance." Under the Affordable Healthcare Act, the care stays the same, despite the outright lies on Fox News.
The differences, and indeed the entire law, deals with health INSURANCE. Look it up. This is how you know the insurance companies are paying the rightwing media to LIE to frighten stupid people.
Don't believe me.
Look it up.

[Banned]

you mean spiraling healthcare costs started with his admin?



whats your band(if your in one..cause i definitely will never buy your show again

:

Healthcare costs started to spiral out of control when government got involved and created the HMOs. Ted Kennedey authored the bill. Look it up.

Whats your band?

[songsmith]

Healthcare costs started to spiral out of control when the insurance companies helped sponsor the Bush presidency. Remember him? You voted for him.

[shredder138]

I would just like to know how humans have got to this point without government healthcare....OMG?!?!

they died @35yrs of age.

i'd like to know how humans got along without Wal-Mart, debit cards and polio vaccine?

ask a stupid question..well you know

keep punching ion on time babe

Interesting point. Modern medicine keeps us alive for an average of 80 years despite much less exercise that when we were all working hard in the fields for our food. Despite the fact that we are on average WAY overweight, and more stressed out in a hectic modern world.

So you criticize the cost of modern health care, yet you seem to like the benefits that it keeps us alive much longer than 100 years ago.

Like the average liberal, you want the best but want someone else to pay for it.
.

Like the average idiot, you never shut the fuck up. You make it easy for anyone to stand against anything YOU stand for. Too bad you didn't keel over at 35.

[Banned]

Healthcare costs started to spiral out of control when the insurance companies helped sponsor the Bush presidency. Remember him? You voted for him.

Might be hard for your pea brain to comprehend this, but there were problems before Bush. Healthcare started to rise well over the average cost of living and inflation rate in the early 80's. It occurred with the creation of Health Maintain Organizations, called Managed Care. All it manages to do it skim money away from patients, doctors and hospitals and into the pockets of the managed care companies.

A Ted Kennedy written law created the HMOs.

[lonewolf]

Healthcare costs started to spiral out of control when the insurance companies helped sponsor the Bush presidency. Remember him? You voted for him.

LOL!

One date and one word to debunk:

1993 Hillarycare

[Banned]

"The virus of government-run health care destroying the doctor-patient relationship, driving up costs, rationing care and invading privacy began with Sen. Ted Kennedy.

Ted is by far the most consequential Kennedy.

Today’s Obamacare “health insurance reform,” like the Clinton health care “reform” of 1993, was driven by Kennedy’s lifelong obsession to nationalize American health care.

A supporter of Medicare in 1965, Kennedy assured the nation that the taxpayer cost of care for our 3.9 million elderly would not exceed $4 billion a year. This year, 45 million beneficiaries cost almost $500 billion.

The “crisis” of cancer was the stated reason for Kennedy’s National Cancer Act of 1971, which promised millions of dollars for cancer research and produced a gravy train of grants to favored institutions and very little progress in curing cancer.

As the author of the HMO Act of 1973, Kennedy spoke in 1978 to the Senate in support of amendments strengthening the HMO law. He praised HMOs for delivering high quality care at 20 to 25 percent less cost than “fee for service” providers.

By 2001, HMOs were not enough government regulation of medical care. In that year, Kennedy authored a “Patients’ Bill of Rights” condemning HMOs as “second-rate care” and calling for an end to “abuses in managed care.” Only full government control of medical care would do.

As an enthusiastic proponent of Obamacare, Kennedy joins all other members of Congress who will not leave their gold-plated Federal Employee Health Benefits plan to join the “reform” plan they believe the rest of us must have. Most ironic of all, prompt helivac and immediate access to the best surgeons in the U.S. saved Kennedy’s life last year. Under Obamacare, none of the rest of us would get that treatment."

http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/105140/

[jetcitywoman]

"The virus of government-run health care destroying the doctor-patient relationship, driving up costs, rationing care and invading privacy began with Sen. Ted Kennedy.

Ted is by far the most consequential Kennedy.

Today’s Obamacare “health insurance reform,” like the Clinton health care “reform” of 1993, was driven by Kennedy’s lifelong obsession to nationalize American health care.

A supporter of Medicare in 1965, Kennedy assured the nation that the taxpayer cost of care for our 3.9 million elderly would not exceed $4 billion a year. This year, 45 million beneficiaries cost almost $500 billion.

The “crisis” of cancer was the stated reason for Kennedy’s National Cancer Act of 1971, which promised millions of dollars for cancer research and produced a gravy train of grants to favored institutions and very little progress in curing cancer.

As the author of the HMO Act of 1973, Kennedy spoke in 1978 to the Senate in support of amendments strengthening the HMO law. He praised HMOs for delivering high quality care at 20 to 25 percent less cost than “fee for service” providers.

By 2001, HMOs were not enough government regulation of medical care. In that year, Kennedy authored a “Patients’ Bill of Rights” condemning HMOs as “second-rate care” and calling for an end to “abuses in managed care.” Only full government control of medical care would do.

As an enthusiastic proponent of Obamacare, Kennedy joins all other members of Congress who will not leave their gold-plated Federal Employee Health Benefits plan to join the “reform” plan they believe the rest of us must have. Most ironic of all, prompt helivac and immediate access to the best surgeons in the U.S. saved Kennedy’s life last year. Under Obamacare, none of the rest of us would get that treatment."

http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/105140/

this is all so not true. look at Costa Rica's health care system, it;s better & cheaper than ours? how is that possible? a little tiny poor 3rd world south american country gives better health care to it's pop than the "leader of the free world"??!! oh the shame!!! you should be ashamed!

[Banned]

Prove it. Rich people from all around the world come here for specialized health care. Never heard of rich oil sheiks going to Costa Rica.

[jetcitywoman]

Prove it. Rich people from all around the world come here for specialized health care. Never heard of rich oil sheiks going to Costa Rica.

many many americans go to costa rica for their health care and plastci surgery.

you need to face up to the fact as many of us have that our healthcare system is too expensive (and getting more so exponetially!), too capatislitic driven!

love capitalism, but love it elsewhere! has no place in HUMANE disposition of healthcare!

we need OBAMACARE, or some semblence of it.

costa rica does it better than we do. face it, we need reform!

[Banned]

Prove it. Rich people from all around the world come here for specialized health care. Never heard of rich oil sheiks going to Costa Rica.

many many americans go to costa rica for their health care and plastci surgery.

you need to face up to the fact as many of us have that our healthcare system is too expensive (and getting more so exponetially!), too capatislitic driven!

love capitalism, but love it elsewhere! has no place in HUMANE disposition of healthcare!

we need OBAMACARE, or some semblence of it.

costa rica does it better than we do. face it, we need reform!

Please offer some proof.

If Obama care is so great, why did Obama, his wife, his family, his administration and all of Congress OPT OUT OF IT?????

[jetcitywoman]

Prove it. Rich people from all around the world come here for specialized health care. Never heard of rich oil sheiks going to Costa Rica.

many many americans go to costa rica for their health care and plastci surgery.

you need to face up to the fact as many of us have that our healthcare system is too expensive (and getting more so exponetially!), too capatislitic driven!

love capitalism, but love it elsewhere! has no place in HUMANE disposition of healthcare!

we need OBAMACARE, or some semblence of it.

costa rica does it better than we do. face it, we need reform!

Please offer some proof.

offer proof that our healthcare is too expensive, and getting more expensive.

offer proof that it's not working, that too many americans go without proper healthcare insurance?

offer proof that an MRI here costs 3 times as much in France? (idid that didn't I?)

you must have some great no deduct/no copay 100% coverage healthcare!

where do you work..are you civil servant?

[Banned]

Drunken idiot, you are the one who said Costa Rico has a better system, please show some proof. Believe it or not, the vast majority of us here do not take your word as gospel.

[jetcitywoman]

Drunken idiot, you are the one who said Costa Rico has a better system, please show some proof. Believe it or not, the vast majority of us here do not take your word as gospel.

Here's your proof..right here in NY TIMES!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/healt ... .html?_r=1

and here..

http://internationalliving.com/countrie ... alth-care/

[Banned]

Nowhere did it say Costa Rica has a better system. Cheaper. So go ahead, please move there. I will donate a quarter to the cause.

[jetcitywoman]

Nowhere did it say Costa Rica has a better system. Cheaper. So go ahead, please move there. I will donate a quarter to the cause.

Are you seriously suggesting that we are getting value from our healthcare dollar here in USA? Where do you work? Only a civil servant for the state of PA would argue as you are.

That will change too soon my friend.

WE CAN'T AFFORD IT!

[jetcitywoman]

undercover, since you love our healthcare sys so much, why don't you dump yours and pay cash? what's the problem? uhhh, cant afford to....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09LTT0xwdfw

get down with the sickness?:lol:

yes, exactly the point isn't it.

no one can afford to get sick in the USA.

[Banned]

Why would I dump something that I supposedly love (according to you)????

You should look into suing your parents for repeatedly dropping you on you head as a baby.