Sick of this Trayvon BS

[Banned]

Prediction: He'll be convicted or plead out to a leser charge and get 10 to 20 with eligiblity for parole @8.

Everyone "wins", the prosecution gets their victory w/o riskof jury trial, the victims family gets their closure. Mr Z gets some rightful time. Justice is served.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/13/justice/f ... ?hpt=hp_c1

"Legal experts told the Associated Press that prosecutors won’t have an easy time in convicting Zimmerman. That’s because he has a credible claim of self-defense that prosecutors will have a tough time refuting. Reported AP, “For all the relief among civil rights activists over the arrest, legal experts warned there is a real chance it could get thrown out before it ever goes to trial because of Florida’s 'stand your ground' law, which gives people a broad right to use deadly force without having to retreat from a fight.”

At a pretrial hearing, Zimmerman’s lawyers would only have to prove by a preponderance of evidence — a relatively low legal standard — that he acted in self-defense in order to get a judge to toss out the second-murder charges. And if that fails and the case does go to trial, the defense can raise the argument all over again.

There’s a “high likelihood it could be dismissed by the judge even before the jury gets to hear the case,” Florida defense attorney Richard Hornsby said. Karin Moore, an assistant professor of law at Florida A&M University, said the law “puts a tremendous burden on the state to prove that it wasn’t self-defense.”

Indeed, that might well be impossible given that Zimmerman is the only witness to the commencement of his fight with Trayvon. Two eyewitnesses confirmed Zimmerman’s account of the beating."

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/cr ... conviction

The Stand Your Ground law makes this a very tricky situation.

[songsmith]

You're a mean one, Songysmith
You really are a heel
You're as cuddly as a cactus
You're as charming as an eel, Songysmith

You're a washed up rocker with a wannabe feel

You're a ni**er lover, Songysmith
Your hearts an empty hole
You're a stumpy spandex clown
A democratic asshole, Songysmith
I wouldn't touch with a 39 and a half foot pole

You're a foul one, Songysmith
You have termites in your smile
You live in times past with your time machine dial
Songysmith
Given the choice between now and then
I'd choose the time machine dial

You're a rotter Songysmith
You're really at a loss
You're a tranny with a banjo
Splotched with moldy age spots,Songysmith
You're a three decker sauerkraut toadstool sandwich
With arsenic sauce

Your opinion is a appalling dump heap
Overflowing with the most disgraceful
Assortment of deplorable rubbish
Imaginable, mangled up in tangled up knots

You're a foul one Songysmith
You're an MSNBC sheep
You sell picks to little kiddies
You dream about them as you sleep
Songysmith

The 3 best words that best describe you, are as follows, and I quote
Cheap
Sheep
Creep

Excellent. And you're right, it went right over their heads.
Bill, you've accomplished something none of them ever have: You've written a song somebody liked!

[KeithReynolds]

Bill, you've accomplished something none of them ever have: You've written a song somebody liked!

I have Please dont act like youre the only guy here, there or anywhere who has written songs....even ones that people like. Im not attacking you, just saying that you need to keep in mind that youre not the only musician here. Some have even been doing it longer than you. Im not sure why you pick on people about their music ability or how long they have been playing. It comes off pretty bad. That just doesnt turn out so well. Again, im not attacking you, its just something to think about.

[songsmith]

Its because you ripped on Keith on how you played in a heavy metal band before anyone else around here. Then looking at that picture just makes me and many others laugh their asses off. You look so bad ass heavy metal in your boy scout hankie, zebra spandex and mullet hair do. Couldn't tell you from Hetfield.

Keith had it right, you look like a tranny in spandex.

I looked good enough to make you post it. Still not denying the whole spandex obsession, we see. I have a few that show my ass, would you like me to PM them to you?
How's YOUR band, joe-mo? How's YOUR band, Undercover Junior?

This is all just diversion from the inescapable FACT that George Zimmerman finally got in trouble for killing an unarmed kid, and it frustrates the bigots. Just one more case where Ol' Stumpman was CORRECT. You can make fun of me ALL YOU WANT, I'm batting 1000 lately!

[KeithReynolds]

If I wanted to have a band, I could in 2 seconds. Theres always many things that could happen. I dont have a desire to play on stage. Sorry, thats just not something I want to do right now. I havent wanted to for a few years. Not everyone feels they need to be the focus of everything,dude.

I dont need to be admired by drunks or groupies or random people. Thats just not me. Its hilarious that you think I couldnt have a band though. There's 5 players of each instrument I could call right now to start a band. I could have shows booked by the beginning of next week. Its just nothing I wanna do at this point of my life. ok?
Again man, you dont know me like you think you do. Slow your roll, beavis.

BTW, I guess my plead for you to not bring me into bullshit didnt work. Now I know.

[Banned]

You can make fun of me ALL YOU WANT, I'm batting 1000 lately!

You are always the hero in your rock star fantasy world. Leave us out of it.

[witchhunt]

Bill, you've accomplished something none of them ever have: You've written a song somebody liked!

I have Please dont act like youre the only guy here, there or anywhere who has written songs....even ones that people like. Im not attacking you, just saying that you need to keep in mind that youre not the only musician here. Some have even been doing it longer than you. Im not sure why you pick on people about their music ability or how long they have been playing. It comes off pretty bad. That just doesnt turn out so well. Again, im not attacking you, its just something to think about.

I don't know if this is directed at me or John. If it's John, disregard the following...
1. I only partially wrote this. I hope you noticed it's The Grinch.
2. Where did I act like the only guy who ever wrote a song people liked?
3. Where did I act like I'm the only musician on here?
4. When in thee fuck did I pick on someone's music ability?
5. Anything you say on here, I'm not likely to put much thought into.

[f.sciarrillo]

This is all just diversion from the inescapable FACT that George Zimmerman finally got in trouble for killing an unarmed kid, and it frustrates the bigots. Just one more case where Ol' Stumpman was CORRECT. You can make fun of me ALL YOU WANT, I'm batting 1000 lately!

Sure he was unarmed, but do you know all the facts? Where you there? No, you are just parroting what the left wing wacko sites are telling you. Once again you are playing the race card without knowing what you are talking about. I am holding my opinion of his guilt or innocence to myself until he is rightfully tried. Which is something you liberals aren't doing. You all think you know everything when in reality, you don't know shit. But you will be the first ones there with the riots if he is found innocent, or doesn't get what you want him to get. Only because you already found him guilty.

His mother even said that she doesn't think it was a case of race and people need to calm down. There are too many people who think they know everything sticking their noses in the issue without knowing all the facts.

[Banned]

I looked good enough to make you post it.

You have never looked good. I posted it to make fun of you. Many people got a good laugh at how lame the person who thinks he knows everything looks.

[lonewolf]

Anyway, back on track. The more I think about it, the more I believe that the special prosecutor set the burden of proof bar too high with murder 2.

With murder 2, you have to prove that the defendant was "depraved" when the act was committed. "In cold blood" might be a more recognizable phrase.

At the preliminary hearing, all the defense has to do is produce an eyewitness to testify that they were fighting before Zimmerman produced his sidearm and killed Martin. Even without the "stand your ground" law, a homicide committed in the heat of a fight in most cases will not be construed as a "depraved" act "in cold blood". Add "stand your ground" and its almost open and shut--if there is such a thing.

They should have charged him with voluntary manslaughter.

I don't think that this will get to a jury trial and Sanford will end up paying the price for it. Sanford is about 30 miles away from where I am staying.

[tonefight]

Actually I think the prosecuters are playing "pass the buck". I've read ( not in the mainsteam media) that the evidence supports Zimmermans initial story. I think the prosecuters are putting it out to the judge and jury due to media outcry and getting it out of there hands, now the Judge is looking for a way out of the case.
I think if it weren't for the media they wouldn't even bother, we've recently had a similar case in altoona but it was white male to white male and noone cares, I'll bet half of you forgot about it already or never heard about it.
It also pisses me off that the media is portraying Martin with the innocent looking pic from when he was 12 years old. That is not an accurate visualization of the 17 year old he was at the time.
The antigun crowd is pushing this with there usual distorted view. I'm not saying he's innocent just yet but if you are buying into the mainstream media version of this you need to step back and wait for more facts.

[KeithReynolds]

Bill, you've accomplished something none of them ever have: You've written a song somebody liked!

I have Please dont act like youre the only guy here, there or anywhere who has written songs....even ones that people like. Im not attacking you, just saying that you need to keep in mind that youre not the only musician here. Some have even been doing it longer than you. Im not sure why you pick on people about their music ability or how long they have been playing. It comes off pretty bad. That just doesnt turn out so well. Again, im not attacking you, its just something to think about.

I don't know if this is directed at me or John. If it's John, disregard the following...
1. I only partially wrote this. I hope you noticed it's The Grinch.
2. Where did I act like the only guy who ever wrote a song people liked?
3. Where did I act like I'm the only musician on here?
4. When in thee fuck did I pick on someone's music ability?
5. Anything you say on here, I'm not likely to put much thought into.

If I was talking to you, I wouldve quoted you. Use your head.

[Hawk]

This is all just diversion from the inescapable FACT that George Zimmerman finally got in trouble for killing an unarmed kid, and it frustrates the bigots. Just one more case where Ol' Stumpman was CORRECT. You can make fun of me ALL YOU WANT, I'm batting 1000 lately!

Sure he was unarmed, but do you know all the facts? Where you there? No, you are just parroting what the left wing wacko sites are telling you. Once again you are playing the race card without knowing what you are talking about. I am holding my opinion of his guilt or innocence to myself until he is rightfully tried. Which is something you liberals aren't doing. You all think you know everything when in reality, you don't know shit. But you will be the first ones there with the riots if he is found innocent, or doesn't get what you want him to get. Only because you already found him guilty.

His mother even said that she doesn't think it was a case of race and people need to calm down. There are too many people who think they know everything sticking their noses in the issue without knowing all the facts.

Frank, why don't you get it ?


The controversy / problem / issue was that a man shot and killed and unarmed black man and was not arrested. Whether he is guilty or not can and should be decided by the system. NOT by the police that didn't arrest him.

You and all of the right would be complaining if a black man shot and killed and unarmed man and wasn't arrested. Allowing the court system to decide guilt or innocence.

You are right, none of us know the facts, that's why he should be arrested, assumed innocent until proven guilty or innocent by the courts. The local police failed, did not even check him for alcohol or drugs. Just heard his side and sent him home.

Sure, idiots like Al Sharpton have already decided guilt, but the real frustration came when the man was simply left go. The media attention from the likes of MSNBC did force an arrest and hence a trial of some type, allowing for a proper decision to be made.

EVERYONE should be happy about that ! Just as EVERYONE should have been upset that Zimmerman was not initially arrested. The issue IS NOT whether he is guilty or innocent. The issue is, why wasn't he arrested the day he killed an unarmed man, thus allowing for proper procedure via the courts ?

[onegunguitar]

Innocent unit proven guilty? Tell that to The Blank Panther Party.

[Hawk]

Innocent unit proven guilty? Tell that to The Blank Panther Party.

Screw them... They're as racist as any Klan member. F*** off any and all racists.

[Banned]

He was not arrested because Florida has something called the"Stand Your Ground" law. The police were only following the most current Fla. law.

Some news stories report that he had blood on his nose and back of his head, and there are supposedly 2 witnesses who corroborate that story.

If that proves to be the real story, the Stand Your Ground law will have this murder charge dismissed, and he will walk.

I wonder if everyone will be happy with that?

[f.sciarrillo]

This is all just diversion from the inescapable FACT that George Zimmerman finally got in trouble for killing an unarmed kid, and it frustrates the bigots. Just one more case where Ol' Stumpman was CORRECT. You can make fun of me ALL YOU WANT, I'm batting 1000 lately!

Sure he was unarmed, but do you know all the facts? Where you there? No, you are just parroting what the left wing wacko sites are telling you. Once again you are playing the race card without knowing what you are talking about. I am holding my opinion of his guilt or innocence to myself until he is rightfully tried. Which is something you liberals aren't doing. You all think you know everything when in reality, you don't know shit. But you will be the first ones there with the riots if he is found innocent, or doesn't get what you want him to get. Only because you already found him guilty.

His mother even said that she doesn't think it was a case of race and people need to calm down. There are too many people who think they know everything sticking their noses in the issue without knowing all the facts.

Frank, why don't you get it ?


The controversy / problem / issue was that a man shot and killed and unarmed black man and was not arrested. Whether he is guilty or not can and should be decided by the system. NOT by the police that didn't arrest him.

You and all of the right would be complaining if a black man shot and killed and unarmed man and wasn't arrested. Allowing the court system to decide guilt or innocence.

You are right, none of us know the facts, that's why he should be arrested, assumed innocent until proven guilty or innocent by the courts. The local police failed, did not even check him for alcohol or drugs. Just heard his side and sent him home.

Sure, idiots like Al Sharpton have already decided guilt, but the real frustration came when the man was simply left go. The media attention from the likes of MSNBC did force an arrest and hence a trial of some type, allowing for a proper decision to be made.

EVERYONE should be happy about that ! Just as EVERYONE should have been upset that Zimmerman was not initially arrested. The issue IS NOT whether he is guilty or innocent. The issue is, why wasn't he arrested the day he killed an unarmed man, thus allowing for proper procedure via the courts ?

Yes, Bill, there are some things that didn't happen, that should have. My point is that people are saying this was racial profiling without knowing the facts, and even after NBC admitted that they edited the tape. They are looking at it as another white man going after a black man when they have no idea what they are talking about.

People who never left the confines of their basement think they know everything about this case, when in reality don't know shit. Everyone is an arm chair Perry Mason.

Like I said, I am holding my opinion of his guilt or innocence until he is rightfully tried. More people need to do the same. And hear the facts before they start voicing their opinions.

And no I wouldn't be complaining if a black man shot an unarmed white man and wasn't arrested. For one, the media would never have even broadcasted the story, and two I agree with innocent until proven guilty. We have a judicial system in this country. People need to learn how to use it.

[f.sciarrillo]

Innocent unit proven guilty? Tell that to The Blank Panther Party.

Screw them... They're as racist as any Klan member. F*** off any and all racists.

I agree. They are nothing but a bunch of idiots.

[f.sciarrillo]

He was not arrested because Florida has something called the"Stand Your Ground" law. The police were only following the most current Fla. law.

Some news stories report that he had blood on his nose and back of his head, and there are supposedly 2 witnesses who corroborate that story.

If that proves to be the real story, the Stand Your Ground law will have this murder charge dismissed, and he will walk.

I wonder if everyone will be happy with that?

If he walks, you will be seeing rioting in the streets because the court of public opinion already convicted him. It will be just like it was for Rodney King, maybe worse.

[witchhunt]

I have Please dont act like youre the only guy here, there or anywhere who has written songs....even ones that people like. Im not attacking you, just saying that you need to keep in mind that youre not the only musician here. Some have even been doing it longer than you. Im not sure why you pick on people about their music ability or how long they have been playing. It comes off pretty bad. That just doesnt turn out so well. Again, im not attacking you, its just something to think about.

I don't know if this is directed at me or John. If it's John, disregard the following...
1. I only partially wrote this. I hope you noticed it's The Grinch.
2. Where did I act like the only guy who ever wrote a song people liked?
3. Where did I act like I'm the only musician on here?
4. When in thee fuck did I pick on someone's music ability?
5. Anything you say on here, I'm not likely to put much thought into.

If I was talking to you, I wouldve quoted you. Use your head.

I figured that since you said "I'm not attacking you" twice, that you probably weren't talking to Songsmith.

[songsmith]

If I wanted to have a band, I could in 2 seconds. Theres always many things that could happen. I dont have a desire to play on stage. Sorry, thats just not something I want to do right now. I havent wanted to for a few years. Not everyone feels they need to be the focus of everything,dude.

I dont need to be admired by drunks or groupies or random people. Thats just not me. Its hilarious that you think I couldnt have a band though. There's 5 players of each instrument I could call right now to start a band. I could have shows booked by the beginning of next week. Its just nothing I wanna do at this point of my life. ok?
Again man, you dont know me like you think you do. Slow your roll, beavis.

BTW, I guess my plead for you to not bring me into bullshit didnt work. Now I know.

Then why are you frequenting a website for MUSICIANS?
I see how you think. You're ABOVE being a musician... way too good, and everybody wants to be in a band with you, but you're above it. However, you can rule upon whether someone is "metal" or not, based on your opinion.
Okay, Butthead. Do it. My offer stands for you as well. Form your band. I'd rather go one-on-one, but I know what I'm capable of, and I can guess I could round up a few good players, too.

Today seems to be the day for calling out non-musicians who think they're hot shit... but whom never seem to bring the noise. It's all still just diversion from the original issue of this thread: George Zimmerman followed and shot an unarmed kid, and felt he had a right to do it.
How's that working out for you?

[Hawk]

He was not arrested because Florida has something called the"Stand Your Ground" law. The police were only following the most current Fla. law.

Some news stories report that he had blood on his nose and back of his head, and there are supposedly 2 witnesses who corroborate that story.

If that proves to be the real story, the Stand Your Ground law will have this murder charge dismissed, and he will walk.

I wonder if everyone will be happy with that?

Shaprton and his allies won't be happy. I'll be happy with "due process". There is also a law against killing. I think it supersedes the stand your ground law, allowing the courts to decide if the stand your ground law was properly followed.

[Hawk]

Sure he was unarmed, but do you know all the facts? Where you there? No, you are just parroting what the left wing wacko sites are telling you. Once again you are playing the race card without knowing what you are talking about. I am holding my opinion of his guilt or innocence to myself until he is rightfully tried. Which is something you liberals aren't doing. You all think you know everything when in reality, you don't know shit. But you will be the first ones there with the riots if he is found innocent, or doesn't get what you want him to get. Only because you already found him guilty.

His mother even said that she doesn't think it was a case of race and people need to calm down. There are too many people who think they know everything sticking their noses in the issue without knowing all the facts.

Frank, why don't you get it ?


The controversy / problem / issue was that a man shot and killed and unarmed black man and was not arrested. Whether he is guilty or not can and should be decided by the system. NOT by the police that didn't arrest him.

You and all of the right would be complaining if a black man shot and killed and unarmed man and wasn't arrested. Allowing the court system to decide guilt or innocence.

You are right, none of us know the facts, that's why he should be arrested, assumed innocent until proven guilty or innocent by the courts. The local police failed, did not even check him for alcohol or drugs. Just heard his side and sent him home.

Sure, idiots like Al Sharpton have already decided guilt, but the real frustration came when the man was simply left go. The media attention from the likes of MSNBC did force an arrest and hence a trial of some type, allowing for a proper decision to be made.

EVERYONE should be happy about that ! Just as EVERYONE should have been upset that Zimmerman was not initially arrested. The issue IS NOT whether he is guilty or innocent. The issue is, why wasn't he arrested the day he killed an unarmed man, thus allowing for proper procedure via the courts ?

Yes, Bill, there are some things that didn't happen, that should have. My point is that people are saying this was racial profiling without knowing the facts, and even after NBC admitted that they edited the tape. They are looking at it as another white man going after a black man when they have no idea what they are talking about.

People who never left the confines of their basement think they know everything about this case, when in reality don't know shit. Everyone is an arm chair Perry Mason.

Like I said, I am holding my opinion of his guilt or innocence until he is rightfully tried. More people need to do the same. And hear the facts before they start voicing their opinions.

And no I wouldn't be complaining if a black man shot an unarmed white man and wasn't arrested. For one, the media would never have even broadcasted the story, and two I agree with innocent until proven guilty. We have a judicial system in this country. People need to learn how to use it.

Do you really believe that if a black man shot an unarmed man and WASN'T arrested the media wouldn't cover it ? That's sad. Sad that you have been indoctrinated to believe such trash...

[KeithReynolds]

If I wanted to have a band, I could in 2 seconds. Theres always many things that could happen. I dont have a desire to play on stage. Sorry, thats just not something I want to do right now. I havent wanted to for a few years. Not everyone feels they need to be the focus of everything,dude.

I dont need to be admired by drunks or groupies or random people. Thats just not me. Its hilarious that you think I couldnt have a band though. There's 5 players of each instrument I could call right now to start a band. I could have shows booked by the beginning of next week. Its just nothing I wanna do at this point of my life. ok?
Again man, you dont know me like you think you do. Slow your roll, beavis.

BTW, I guess my plead for you to not bring me into bullshit didnt work. Now I know.

Then why are you frequenting a website for MUSICIANS?
I see how you think. You're ABOVE being a musician... way too good, and everybody wants to be in a band with you, but you're above it. However, you can rule upon whether someone is "metal" or not, based on your opinion.
Okay, Butthead. Do it. My offer stands for you as well. Form your band. I'd rather go one-on-one, but I know what I'm capable of, and I can guess I could round up a few good players, too.

Today seems to be the day for calling out non-musicians who think they're hot shit... but whom never seem to bring the noise. It's all still just diversion from the original issue of this thread: George Zimmerman followed and shot an unarmed kid, and felt he had a right to do it.
How's that working out for you?

You are the biggest tool of the gay construction worker's toolbag, dude. HAHA. The way you make shit up and twist words....its crazy. How you dont see it, ill never have a clue.
I never said I was above anyone. I just said being on stage is not what I want to do right now. How you got what you typed, ill never know. Look here, Shorty Two Dicks, just because im not constantly pumping what im doing on rockpage doesnt mean i dont work on music at all.
Again, you dont know who youre talking to. I usually always work on music. Writing and recording ideas. Sometimes I go through bouts of depression where i dont wanna do anything, but mostly I do. See? you dont know me. You assume.
Anyone that DOES know me, know that I have prob 50 unused riffs and ideas in my head at any given time. Whether they are any good is a different story.

You seem to want to challenge everyone on stage at playing instruments. I could prob only beat you at a couple things. Youre a better musician than me based on the fact that youve had more experience and time, and the desire to be up front on stage whenever you can. Youve played way longer and know much more. Ive never disputed that.
Is that what your dumbass wants to hear? talk to me when im your age now and you cant walk around without shitting your pants, and we will see who is better. Thats what it would be like. I havent dedicated my life to being a musician. Thats just one of thing I do. I love writing music and recording songs. Its fun to me. I dont need to be adored by others. I can do other things for that.

Anyway, so here is my official answer to you feeling you need to call every out to have a show down on stage in front of your jackass friends. Im sure not ALL of your friends frequent this site. Maybe so, you are a male groupie.
So this "meet onstage" thing. Obviously its one sided because as I said, I can only beat you a couple things, so we prob know who would win at this point in our lives. Anyway, I WILL meet you on stage so you can prove that experience rules....Ill agree to your one sided challenge. IF you agree to a one sided challenge of mine. That I know ill win, because of experience. That challenge is called "Who cries for their mommy first and pisses all on themselves".
So there you have it, you wanna win a one sided "challenge", and so do I.
what a tardmuffin. How did you ever get married? Not that getting married is hard to do, but DAMN.

We know your answer, there wont be any challenges. NOW Can you fucking quit talking about me? good lord jonnie, do you have a crush on me? You accuse others of having a crush on you...but you cant keep me out of your mind it seems.
I dont wanna ride the Trandex Express. ok???

[songsmith]

Again, you dont know who youre talking to. :

Prove it, Junior.

Or, in words you can understand:
"Bawk-bawk-BAWK! Bawk-bawkbawka-bawka-bawk-BAWK!!"

What did I make up? What words did I "twist," you posted them. How do I "constantly pump what I'm doing on Rockpage," and what are YOU doing? Only 50 unused riffs or ideas? I keep that many on one sheet of notebook paper, June-bug! You're an amateur! As for age, I think you owe everybody here over the age of 40 a huge apology... or the benefit of proof of how great you are.
I'm obviously not calling EVERYBODY out. Just the dingleberries who think their amateur opinions matter. I'm not asking for the world, just for the loudmouths to show me why they have a right to judge me. I have a right to judge your lack of ability and experience, because I pay those dues. You never have, save for one or two embarrassing onstage moments that went nowhere. You don't see me criticizing actual local musicians, just wannabe's and super-fans. So back up your opinions with a little hard evidence of what you do that makes you an expert.
BTW, George Zimmerman is still in jail.