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Depends on the context of the review I suppose.

Without reading the full review and knowing exactly what the reviewer found uninviting about your vocal approach; I would say that you are not performing like your peers in your genre.

Here is what I have come to accept about critique: it is a tool that will allow you to either be very happy/unhappy about your individual performance or it is a tool to encourage you to become more comparable to other folks in your genre. If your vocals are exactly the way you hear them in your head and the reviewer doesnt like them; thats ok too. Being different is just the road less traveled and the harder hill to climb. At the end of the day we all want to be praised, and accepted for what we offer, I get that... but negative reviews have found all of us at some point or another and it gives us an oppurtunity to reflect on what we are doing stylistically that may not be appreciated to our own satisfaction.

I would simply ask yourself is there any merit to the review or does the type of music you are doing warrant the vocal style you described. Either way its your art and you get to decide how to move forward.
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My personal opinion on vibrato is that it is overused. I find that many singers substitute vibrato for sustain; it's easier to shake a not 'close' to pitch than to maintain pitch. Again, my opinion only, vibrato is all too often pulled out of the realm of occasionally appropriate technique and used more like a crutch. It isn't always necessary nor does every song warrant it's use.

As far as how you feel about the review, killjingle summed it up pretty well. Look into other reviews by the same reviewer. Whenever I get a negative comment from someone whose other opinions I generally disagree with, I figure I'm on the right track. Then again, I am quite odd.
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I think, many times, the overuse of ANY technique is exactly what the reviewer referred to: part of the evolution of the singer, and a sign that the singer is still maturing their craft. It's not necessarily a bad thing when a critic makes a critical point, because truthfully, a lot of your close friends and family will blow sunshine up your rear-end, either because they love you more than they love your music, or because they don't know any better. Accept praise from them in small doses, and with a grain or two of salt.
As mentioned, vibrato is best when used as a spice, not the main course... a little whammy-bar action on a guitar solo is nice, too much, and it's a warbly mess. Oversinging is pretty much never cool, and is DEFINITELY a sign of immaturity of taste... it doesn't mean you suck, it means you're probably going to be much better at singing when you understand it better. I wouldn't take it personally. Listen to a recording of yourself, and see if the critique makes any sense. No biggie!
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I would accept it as constructive criticism (as opposed to destructive criticism i.e. she sucked). And accept it as the reviewers opinion, but not necessarily the opinion of everyone. It gives you a positive chance to reflect on your style, then simply take note of the opinion and accept it or reject it. But NEVER take it personally.

I'm sure you're beyond this, but there are too many young musicians who listen to their friends tell them how great they are. Friends and family are not usually qualified sources for a reliable critique.
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princessdance01 wrote:while i appreciate everyone's advice, this post was not meant to be replied to, the only reason why i posted this is because i've been told to use vibrato and sing loud my whole life and i find it comical that someone would use this as a negative comment.

i do appreciate the first responses to the post but as far as the last two, you do not know my friends and family and who are you to say them complimenting me is "blowing sunshine" or "not knowing what they are talking about", my mother is a professional musician and has been for over fourty years so i think she knows her stuff.

here's some advice to the last two posters, don't pass judgement on someone or their family that you don't even know or haven't even heard. this post was nothing but sarcasm and a spit in the face to the reviewer that the most negative thing anyone has ever said about my singing has actually been positive advice. enough said :)
Way too defensive without a need. My response relative to friends and family was NOT about you. I pointed out that "I'm sure you're beyond this" Implies it's NOT meant for you ! Relax...

Beyond YOU, there are some musicians who DO fall into that category. I'm sure your family is both supportive and offers unbiased praise. But that can be rare in other cases. Again, no disrespect was meant for you or your family or your friends.

And I tried (and failed) to point out that it MAY have been constructive criticism and NOT negative criticism. There IS a difference.
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Just be happy ya got a frikkin' review.
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The only thing im gonna say is, I think the word "Professional" is used waay too much in this thread.
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If the post was not meant to be replied to, then why did you post it in the first place?
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RobTheDrummer wrote:If the post was not meant to be replied to, then why did you post it in the first place?
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Where / When is your next show ?
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Killjingle wrote:Depends on the context of the review I suppose.

Without reading the full review and knowing exactly what the reviewer found uninviting about your vocal approach; I would say that you are not performing like your peers in your genre.

Here is what I have come to accept about critique: it is a tool that will allow you to either be very happy/unhappy about your individual performance or it is a tool to encourage you to become more comparable to other folks in your genre. If your vocals are exactly the way you hear them in your head and the reviewer doesnt like them; thats ok too. Being different is just the road less traveled and the harder hill to climb. At the end of the day we all want to be praised, and accepted for what we offer, I get that... but negative reviews have found all of us at some point or another and it gives us an oppurtunity to reflect on what we are doing stylistically that may not be appreciated to our own satisfaction.

I would simply ask yourself is there any merit to the review or does the type of music you are doing warrant the vocal style you described. Either way its your art and you get to decide how to move forward.
I agree, because I know its much harder to sustain a note than it is to "cushion" it with vibrato. I tend to think of singers who overly use it as immature & in need of work. BUT lets face it, the Queen of Vibrato, Stevie Nicks has never had a problem selling albums!! It's all in the preference. I think shes a great songwriter, but in her work after Belladonna her vibrato got very grating.
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like OMFG, a reViewER didint faLL heAd oVeR heALs 4 my aWsum vokal techNIQUE. then win I Mayd a thred about IT, the pOsters didnt awtomaticalLLY AGree WiTh mE. OvErplayiN iz not a bAd thing. thatz why rithmn secTions wheRe the druMmer plays Bizzy paradiddles eVery 2 bars and the BaSs playEr double thumps and Two-hanD taps in Johnny CaSh sonGz SOuNdz aWesomE.
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bassist_25 wrote:like OMFG, a reViewER didint faLL heAd oVeR heALs 4 my aWsum vokal techNIQUE. then win I Mayd a thred about IT, the pOsters didnt awtomaticalLLY AGree WiTh mE. OvErplayiN iz not a bAd thing. thatz why rithmn secTions wheRe the druMmer plays Bizzy paradiddles eVery 2 bars and the BaSs playEr double thumps and Two-hanD taps in Johnny CaSh sonGz SOuNdz aWesomE.
this made my day :lol:
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kayla wrote:
bassist_25 wrote:like OMFG, a reViewER didint faLL heAd oVeR heALs 4 my aWsum vokal techNIQUE. then win I Mayd a thred about IT, the pOsters didnt awtomaticalLLY AGree WiTh mE. OvErplayiN iz not a bAd thing. thatz why rithmn secTions wheRe the druMmer plays Bizzy paradiddles eVery 2 bars and the BaSs playEr double thumps and Two-hanD taps in Johnny CaSh sonGz SOuNdz aWesomE.
this made my day :lol:
Mine too! Thanks Paul!
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backlash bass wrote:
kayla wrote:
bassist_25 wrote:like OMFG, a reViewER didint faLL heAd oVeR heALs 4 my aWsum vokal techNIQUE. then win I Mayd a thred about IT, the pOsters didnt awtomaticalLLY AGree WiTh mE. OvErplayiN iz not a bAd thing. thatz why rithmn secTions wheRe the druMmer plays Bizzy paradiddles eVery 2 bars and the BaSs playEr double thumps and Two-hanD taps in Johnny CaSh sonGz SOuNdz aWesomE.
this made my day :lol:
Mine too! Thanks Paul!
As aWsum as this post is, it would taken me close to an hour to type it. Serious mental block when it comes to "creative" spelling and capital use.

But I agree with previous posters, :thumleft: to you Paul.

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CMOR wrote: As aWsum as this post is, it would taken me close to an hour to type it. Serious mental block when it comes to "creative" spelling and capital use.
Haha, it actually did take me a while to type out. I'm a trained typist, and it's like asking an opera-trained singer to purposely sing off key - it's actually more difficult to do it the wrong way than to do it the right way. I never got how Internet-speak got so popular. :?
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bassist_25 wrote:
CMOR wrote: As aWsum as this post is, it would taken me close to an hour to type it. Serious mental block when it comes to "creative" spelling and capital use.
Haha, it actually did take me a while to type out. I'm a trained typist, and it's like asking an opera-trained singer to purposely sing off key - it's actually more difficult to do it the wrong way than to do it the right way. I never got how Internet-speak got so popular. :?
Paul, I just thought it was cool that you finally stopped talking over our heads :lol: .
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whats vibrato ? is that when you scream
really hard ? JUST sing ! who gives a shit
what some reviewer says do you see them singing ?
Rob Zombie once read a review that said
he was the worst singer the guy had ever
seen ! Rob Zombie later met the guy and sai who
is this doush and why am worried about what he says !
watch Jamie Kennedys movie Heckler its hillarious !!!
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backlash bass wrote:
kayla wrote:
bassist_25 wrote:like OMFG, a reViewER didint faLL heAd oVeR heALs 4 my aWsum vokal techNIQUE. then win I Mayd a thred about IT, the pOsters didnt awtomaticalLLY AGree WiTh mE. OvErplayiN iz not a bAd thing. thatz why rithmn secTions wheRe the druMmer plays Bizzy paradiddles eVery 2 bars and the BaSs playEr double thumps and Two-hanD taps in Johnny CaSh sonGz SOuNdz aWesomE.
this made my day :lol:
Mine too! Thanks Paul!
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