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onegunguitar
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I said it from the beginning as well....How can they fire Paterno when Sandusky hasn't even went to trial? Plus,McQueary was put on admin. leave,why wasn't JoePa? They just hung him instead. You'd think he did all the shit that Sandusky is accused of. I'd say when the dust settles,I bet there are a few trustees that will be fired to,I'm sure some of them knew of things too.Bag wrote:I wasn't calling you a dipshit Keith, although it looked like that. (Sorry) I just think that after 60 years of doing the right thing, Joe deserves the benefit of the doubt.
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Here's a message from Brandon Short, former PSU and NFL linebacker...
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It would be an understatement to say that we are saddened by the recent allegations regarding Jerry Sandusky and the subsequent fallout. If these allegations are true then Jerry used Penn State Football and every one of us who may have helped Jerry with The Second Mile to lure in at risk children and then exploit them both mentally and physically. I thought that I knew Jerry Sandusky extremely well. Jerry was my position coach for five years and I have spent countless hours with him one on one putting in game plans and discussing ways to help him grow The Second Mile. I cannot express the confusion, pain, and anger I feel every time I think of Jerry committing such vicious crimes. With that said, at this extremely dark hour we have failed to see that another crime has been committed.
In the media fire storm that ensued the damning allegations against Jerry a lead villain has emerged; Joe Paterno. Not Jerry Sandusky, Tim Curley, or Gary Schultz but Joe the man who took second hand information and immediately gave it to his superior and the chief of university police.
My wife and I were fortunate enough to spend a few hours with Joe and Sue the day after the Board of Trustees made the decision to fire Joe. Even at the lowest point of his life, in typical Joe fashion Coach was more concerned with how his current and former players were doing than he was with his own situation. All of us know the immeasurable quality of Joe’s character and we also know that he’s a fighter. Coach pulled out his notes and said that he was ready to hold a press conference in his backyard to answer any questions and clear up any uncertainty the day after he was fired. However his advisers thought that it would appear defensive and be a mistake.
Joe assured me that Mike McQueary never told him that he saw Jerry Sandusky raping a boy in our locker room shower. Joe immediately went to his superiors and arranged a meeting with Mike, Tim Curley, PSU athletic director, and Gray Schultz, chief of university police. Remember that Jerry was not a football coach at the time and therefore Joe had no authority to do anything other than report what Mike told him to the authorities (which he did). Joe trusted Penn State’s Athletic Director and its Chief of Police to do their jobs and it appears they didn’t. The university
ultimately fired Joe Paterno because it didn’t do its job. And that is a crime.
Joe Paterno has always had the courage to stand up and fight for the people in his life. Joe regularly put his neck on the line and believed in many of us when nobody else would. In the past, Joe has supported us because he knew the character of the men that we’ve become. We all know Joe in a way that rest of the world does not. We know Joe’s true character. And now it’s time for us to stand up for him in his time of need.
With the exception of a few brave men, there has been a deafening silence from the Penn State Football family regarding Coach Paterno and what has made Penn State a special place for the last half century. We owe it to each other to speak up and do for Joe what he has always done for us.
Attached is a link to a recent Wall Street Journal article which attacks Coach Paterno for defending his players and calls Penn State an undisciplined program.
http://online.wsj.com/article/..._LEFTTopStories
There have been suggestions on specific actions that we can take to support our program. Following the holiday, we plan on sending you a rough draft of an action plan for your review. Thanks and have a good holiday weekend. WE ARE!
Brandon
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It would be an understatement to say that we are saddened by the recent allegations regarding Jerry Sandusky and the subsequent fallout. If these allegations are true then Jerry used Penn State Football and every one of us who may have helped Jerry with The Second Mile to lure in at risk children and then exploit them both mentally and physically. I thought that I knew Jerry Sandusky extremely well. Jerry was my position coach for five years and I have spent countless hours with him one on one putting in game plans and discussing ways to help him grow The Second Mile. I cannot express the confusion, pain, and anger I feel every time I think of Jerry committing such vicious crimes. With that said, at this extremely dark hour we have failed to see that another crime has been committed.
In the media fire storm that ensued the damning allegations against Jerry a lead villain has emerged; Joe Paterno. Not Jerry Sandusky, Tim Curley, or Gary Schultz but Joe the man who took second hand information and immediately gave it to his superior and the chief of university police.
My wife and I were fortunate enough to spend a few hours with Joe and Sue the day after the Board of Trustees made the decision to fire Joe. Even at the lowest point of his life, in typical Joe fashion Coach was more concerned with how his current and former players were doing than he was with his own situation. All of us know the immeasurable quality of Joe’s character and we also know that he’s a fighter. Coach pulled out his notes and said that he was ready to hold a press conference in his backyard to answer any questions and clear up any uncertainty the day after he was fired. However his advisers thought that it would appear defensive and be a mistake.
Joe assured me that Mike McQueary never told him that he saw Jerry Sandusky raping a boy in our locker room shower. Joe immediately went to his superiors and arranged a meeting with Mike, Tim Curley, PSU athletic director, and Gray Schultz, chief of university police. Remember that Jerry was not a football coach at the time and therefore Joe had no authority to do anything other than report what Mike told him to the authorities (which he did). Joe trusted Penn State’s Athletic Director and its Chief of Police to do their jobs and it appears they didn’t. The university
ultimately fired Joe Paterno because it didn’t do its job. And that is a crime.
Joe Paterno has always had the courage to stand up and fight for the people in his life. Joe regularly put his neck on the line and believed in many of us when nobody else would. In the past, Joe has supported us because he knew the character of the men that we’ve become. We all know Joe in a way that rest of the world does not. We know Joe’s true character. And now it’s time for us to stand up for him in his time of need.
With the exception of a few brave men, there has been a deafening silence from the Penn State Football family regarding Coach Paterno and what has made Penn State a special place for the last half century. We owe it to each other to speak up and do for Joe what he has always done for us.
Attached is a link to a recent Wall Street Journal article which attacks Coach Paterno for defending his players and calls Penn State an undisciplined program.
http://online.wsj.com/article/..._LEFTTopStories
There have been suggestions on specific actions that we can take to support our program. Following the holiday, we plan on sending you a rough draft of an action plan for your review. Thanks and have a good holiday weekend. WE ARE!
Brandon
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That could be one of the worst things Paterno could do.heavy metal man wrote:the only question i have is why didn't Joe talk to sandusky? he was still coaching at the time and you would think he would have.lonewolf wrote:BECAUSE ITS NOT HIS FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY!undercoverjoe wrote:And how many young boys have never ending nightmares? Why didn't Joe go and find out who the 10 year old boy was, and was he OK?
As long as it wasn't his grandson, it was all right???????????
Was victory 409 worth more than a couple of raped children?
He's a football coach, not an investigator, not a prosecutor and contrary to opinion, he does not wear a red cape. He didn't even see anything, which makes him ineligible to report the crime to police. He reported it and the witness to the PROPER AUTHORITIES and then some. We don't know what he did after that, but there is no reason to believe that people who lied to the Grand Jury wouldn't just as well lie to him. Had it been anybody else but Joe, THEY WOULD BARELY BE A FOOTNOTE in this whole tragedy and you probably wouldn't even remember their name. Can you say "scapegoat".
I happen to believe that Joe thought it was taken care of and was completely oblivious to the situation for all those years. I certainly can't believe that if Paterno knew the truth about what was going on that he would have tolerated it for one minute. The real irony to this is that the person who made all the mistakes, McCreary, will be on that field come Saturday.
I can't help it if Joe haters don't understand the law. I am thru with all the talk. Its time for me and 10s of thousands of alum to walk.
You can take my place and set up a $500,000 scholarship endowment if you like.
This has all the appearance of a psychopathic pedophile who wouldn't give a damn what Paterno had to say. Chances are, It would only make him more cautious with his despicable actions. It would also give the pedophile more information as to who knows what and who is doing what.
If there was an official investigation going on--which Paterno apparently thought there was--such a "talk" could be construed as obstruction of justice.
According to everything I've read, Paterno and Sandusky were not very close after Paterno told him he was not in line for his job and his subsequent retirement.
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
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Sandusky says JoePa never talked to him about the "horsing around".
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/s ... nQdMsY2hwN
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/s ... nQdMsY2hwN
http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... ndusky-boy
McQueary testifies...apparently he did nothing to stop Sandusky from raping that young boy. He left and then told Paterno the next day. He left the locker room with a naked 60 year old man and a 10 year old boy.
McQueary testifies...apparently he did nothing to stop Sandusky from raping that young boy. He left and then told Paterno the next day. He left the locker room with a naked 60 year old man and a 10 year old boy.
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...and there lies the simple problem. NO ONE is willing to take responsibility for their actions.
I'm going to use ChiChis and Sheets as an example. They both had fairly similar food illness outbreaks. ChiChis went on the defensive and said that it wasn't the company's fault, they were not to blame. Sheetz came out and said that regardless of fault, they were changing procedures to make sure it didn't happen again.
Is McQueary legally obligated to step in, maybe, maybe not. The difference is that he still has not come out and said "Ya know, maybe I should have stopped the act."
Is Joe Pa legally obligated to do more, no. However, if he did do more, how would events be different?
I have not seen how any party involved in this has done something proactive. Penn State reacted by firing Joe Pa and hiring a new head guy for the university. That's fine and dandy, but to my knowledge, the new guy really hasn't done anything to make sure this type of thing doesn't happen again (at least nothing has been reported).
I'm going to use ChiChis and Sheets as an example. They both had fairly similar food illness outbreaks. ChiChis went on the defensive and said that it wasn't the company's fault, they were not to blame. Sheetz came out and said that regardless of fault, they were changing procedures to make sure it didn't happen again.
Is McQueary legally obligated to step in, maybe, maybe not. The difference is that he still has not come out and said "Ya know, maybe I should have stopped the act."
Is Joe Pa legally obligated to do more, no. However, if he did do more, how would events be different?
I have not seen how any party involved in this has done something proactive. Penn State reacted by firing Joe Pa and hiring a new head guy for the university. That's fine and dandy, but to my knowledge, the new guy really hasn't done anything to make sure this type of thing doesn't happen again (at least nothing has been reported).