2012 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees

[moxham123]

Here we go again.

2012 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees

The nominations for induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2012 were announced today!

The nominees are:
· Beastie Boys
· The Cure
· Donovan
· Eric B. & Rakim
· Guns 'N Roses
· Heart
· Joan Jett and The Blackhearts
· Freddie King
· Laura Nyro
· Red Hot Chili Peppers
· Rufus with Chaka Khan
· The Small Faces/The Faces
· The Spinners
· Donna Summer
· War

Still no Moody Blues, Jethro Tull, Grand Funk Railroad, Kansas, Deep Purple, Chicago, Rush, Steve Miller Band, Emerson, Lake, & Palmer, Yes, Tommy James & The Shondells, Paul Revere & The Raiders, and many others.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

[floodcitybrass]

The nominees contain a variety of styles from a variety of eras.

The "still no" list contains pretty much all 60s-70s classic rock type bands.

The nomination committeee seems to try to pick from all eras and styles. Its probably mostly done to keep all ages happy.

[brett/bert]

and no motley crue

[banderson]

Yeah, I see how Joan Jett had more of an impact than Deep Purple, Rush, Kiss, ect ect many more.....

What a joke the HOF is, every year its laughable.

[5stringlowb]

This is Trace Baker (I'm waiting to get my profile fixed!)

Here is a Petition to get Rush Inducted into Hall of Fame.

http://www.petitiononline.com/xanstar/

Although it would be poetic justice if they refused the request!!!

[MeYatch]

Yeah, I see how Joan Jett had more of an impact than Deep Purple, Rush, Kiss, ect ect many more.....

What a joke the HOF is, every year its laughable.

To an aspiring female guitar player in the 70's and 80's, I'm guessing she did.

So much so that I am not even sure if your comment is supposed to be serious...

[sunsetbass]

my issue is why is it called the "rock n roll" hall of fame when some of the people and groups that are nominees or are ready inducted don't fit into that genre of music. rufas and chaka kahn can be considered r&b not rock n roll. they should change the name to the music industry hall of fame.

[LHSL]

I'd like to know what the criteria is exactly.

I mean, everyone has their favorite band and has reasons they think they should be in there.

Number of records sold, number of sold out concerts, most profitable tours, how they changed rock 'n roll for the better, or how they made some huge impact would be criteria on which to base it.

However, some are harder to measure than others.

I'm not saying they follow this standard now (or any standard) but having one would be a start, along with evaluating how each nominee met or approached that standard.

[banderson]

So much so that I am not even sure if your comment is supposed to be serious...

Yep, it was serious.

I like Joan Jett too, but unless she is/was a bigger deal than I realize, I can't see how she and her Blackhearts get a nomination over some of those massively huge/influential bands.

But opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one.

[songsmith]

I agree. Joan Jett probably was influential to women rock guitarists, which sadly doesn't really amount to alot of people, and the girls I see taking lessons now, likely never heard of her until that movie with Dakota Fanning. Joan wasn't even the best guitarist in The Runaways, Lita Ford was. On her own, she played rhythm on songs anyone can play after 6 months of lessons. Rush could fake their way through pretty much any Joan Jett song, but the inverse would not be so successful.
I also agree that they need to concentrate on rock artists for the Rock HOF, unless rock starts getting some love on the BET awards, and I'm sure I could name a single Laura Nyro song, no matter how popular or influential, and I have a fair knowledge of popular music over the last 80 years or so.
It's just suits in an office somewhere, deciding what is and isn't, just like always.

[Don Hughes]

The Hall Of Fame criteria can be very subjective. You can go by a ton of different things; album sales, perceived popularity, skill at his/her/their craft, longevity, place in history, creativity, just to name a few.

It's not like a sports HOF where you can measure more how talented a person is. If you went on talent alone, I firmly believe that some of the Central PA musicians can blow some of these guys out of the water! It's more of a marketing thing than anything.

[moxham123]

I'd like to know what the criteria is exactly.

I mean, everyone has their favorite band and has reasons they think they should be in there.

Number of records sold, number of sold out concerts, most profitable tours, how they changed rock 'n roll for the better, or how they made some huge impact would be criteria on which to base it.

However, some are harder to measure than others.

I'm not saying they follow this standard now (or any standard) but having one would be a start, along with evaluating how each nominee met or approached that standard.

The criteria to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has nothing to do with number of records or concert tickets sold. Many of the acts already inducted never sold or recorded many albums. Here is the eligibilty criteria ricght from the R&R HOF website.

EligibilityTo be eligible for induction as an artist (as a performer, composer, or musician) into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the artist must have released a record, in the generally accepted sense of that phrase, at least 25 years prior to the year of induction; and have demonstrated unquestionable musical excellence.

We shall consider factors such as an artist's musical influence on other artists, length and depth of career and the body of work, innovation and superiority in style and technique, but musical excellence shall be the essential qualification of induction.

Performers
Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

The Foundation’s nominating committee, composed of rock and roll historians, selects nominees each year in the Performer category. Ballots are then sent to an international voting body of more than 500 rock experts. Those performers who receive the highest number of votes - and more than 50 percent of the vote - are inducted. The Foundation generally inducts five to seven performers each year.

Non-Performers
Songwriters, producers, disc jockeys, record executives, journalists and other industry professionals who have had a major influence on the development of rock and roll.

Early Influences
Artists whose music predated rock and roll but had an impact on the evolution of rock and roll and inspired rock’s leading artists.

The special selection committee elects the inductees in the Non-Performer and Early Influences categories.

Side Men
This category was introduced in 2000. It honors those musicians who have spent their careers out of the spotlight, performing as backup musicians for major artists on recording sessions and in concert. Though they often play a key role in the creation of memorable music, the public rarely knows them by name. A separate committee, composed primarily of producers, selects the inductees in this category.

Laura Nyro is being considered for her songwriting more than performing and she did write a lot of big hits including Eli's Coming, And When I Die, Blowing Away, Wedding Bell Blues, Stoned Soul Picnic, Sweet Blindness, Save The Country Black Patch, Stoney End, Time and Love, and Hands off the Man (Flim Flam Man) to name a few.

As far as Joan Jett and The Blackhearts, they sure can't compare to many overlooked bands and many of their hits were cover songs done first by other bands as follows:

I Love Rock 'n' Roll - The Arrows
Crimson And Clover - Tommy James & The Shondells
Do You Wanna Touch Me - Gary Glitter
Everyday People - Sly & The Family Stone
I Love You Love Me Love - Gary Glitter
Dirty Deeds - AC/DC
Love Hurts - The Everly Brothers (also covered by Nazareth)
Have You Ever Seen the Rain? - Creedence Clearwater Revival
Love Is All Around - remake of the Theme from The Mary Tyler Moore Show

[bassist_25]

It never fails. Every year, Moxham posts up the nominees and then everyone comes on and bitches...and then I bitch abou the bitching (would that mean that I'm meta-bitching?).

[ToonaRockGuy]

Until Rush tells the Hall to fuck off, the Hall is still not legit.

[f.sciarrillo]

What is the reason that Rush hasn't been inducted yet? Did they do something to piss them off, or is the HOF really that pathetic?

[Don Hughes]

Hence the subjectivity. Rush, to us, have achieved "unquestionable musical excellence." To the people who run the HOF, they haven't yet, which makes my point on the criteria being vague.

[ToonaRockGuy]

What is the reason that Rush hasn't been inducted yet? Did they do something to piss them off, or is the HOF really that pathetic?

No, Frank, they didn't. The Hall is totally that pathetic. Jann Werner (Rolling Stone magazine) is one of the Hall's head honchos, so he's probably sitting somewhere masturbating over the fact that he will vote Radiohead in first ballot as soon as they become eligible. Fuck Rolling Stone, and fuck the RNRHOF. Long Live Rush!!

[MistValkyrie]

oh wow...The Cure! Thats great! But everyone's right, Rush deserves to be in there and also, I'm really surprised that the Chili Peppers are nominated this year.

[CHICKSINGA]

What is the reason that Rush hasn't been inducted yet? Did they do something to piss them off, or is the HOF really that pathetic?

No, Frank, they didn't. The Hall is totally that pathetic. Jann Werner (Rolling Stone magazine) is one of the Hall's head honchos, so he's probably sitting somewhere masturbating over the fact that he will vote Radiohead in first ballot as soon as they become eligible. Fuck Rolling Stone, and fuck the RNRHOF. Long Live Rush!!

This is the exact reason why Rush hasn't made it. Rolling Stone always hated Rush. But instead they champion people like Lou Reed, R.E.M, Madonna, Britney Spears and a ton of pablum that will sell their Mag.
It's total HIPSTER JEALOUSY. But Rush will be just fine. Just watch the Rio concert or Beyond the Lighted Stage...

[moxham123]

RUSH TALKS ABOUT ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME SNUB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMSEW6UYF88

[MistValkyrie]

RUSH TALKS ABOUT ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME SNUB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMSEW6UYF88

This doesn't have anything to do with the thread, but I wanted to mention how much I love the washer/dryer and automat in the back of the stage during their show. Thats so cool and totally something I could see them doing. Getting back to the thread...they are totally right, of course, IMO Geddy Lee is my own personal Jesus Christ and I'm not allowed to disagree with him. lol...just kidding...sort of.

[ToonaRockGuy]

Posted a status update on FB about this. If you want to write the idiots that decide this crap, here's the address:

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation
1290 Avenue of the Americas
2nd Floor
New York, NY 10104

or email the dicks at Rolling Stone: letters@rollingstone.com

There ya go.

[slackin@dabass]

I think the rock n roll hall of fame is waiting till 2112 to induct rush. It sure dosnt seem to bother alex and geddy though. I had to laugh when they mentioned abba in that vid. Good stuff. Fuck the rnrhof.

[bassist_25]

In all seriousness, why do we even care about what a bunch of suits and self-important rock 'n roll journalists think?

[ToonaRockGuy]

We care because sadly, so does the vast majority of non-musician types who love music. If there is an elite segment of anything, and there is an obvious glaring omission, the fans of the omitted should do whatever they can to make sure that the omitted is included, thereby righting the wrong on some level.

Does Rush need to be in the HOF? No.
Should they be? Absolutely. And as smarmy as the HOF has turned out to be, that is still the injustice.