Frank, if you have something to say, say it. If you want to troll, find some other outlet. Please.
If your soul purpose in life is to piss people off, I pronounce you Grand Pisser.
Hawk wrote:Frank, if you have something to say, say it. If you want to troll, find some other outlet. Please.
If your soul purpose in life is to piss people off, I pronounce you Grand Pisser.
I just had a thought that can solve this immigration issue. We open the borders and give amnesty to anyone who wants to come here. Who cares if they are terrorists, rapists, murderers, Islamic fanatics, evil dictators, etc. We can put a big sign up at Ellis Island saying: "Borders are open, anyone is welcome. We don't care what your past was, or what you are doing now. We will grant "ANYONE" amnesty."
songsmith wrote:State College has a growing problem with illegals from the former USSR. They should start pulling over white guys in upmarket Beamers and Lexii.
Which reminds me, since the vast majority of clubgoers locally drive to the club themselves, wouldn't it make perfect sense to simply station a cop outside every bar with a breathalyzer? Let's face it, drunk driving causes HUGE harm to everyone involved, and profiling and targeting drinkers is the most efficient way to curb it. I mean, they already have drunk-driving laws, this would just help enforce them, and keep this great nation safe for our children, and children's children. If you don't agree with me on this, you don't want to protect our children (and children's children ). Founding Fathers. Constitution. I don't know what those last two mean, but they get cited in every conservative response now, so you can't argue with me on this. --->JMS
The nail struck firmly on the head.
Incorrect analogy. If you want to compare DUI to the AZ law, you would have to give the breathalyzer to every person pulled over for any traffic violation that shows "reasonable suspicion". I'm not sure what kind of profiling that would promote, but lets say people wearing black T-shirts with metal bands or long hair or "he don't look right....let's put him up against the wall."
Hmmmm, as I can attest, that already happens. I had lasik surgery, so my eyes don't react as well to the old flashlight in the eyes trick (that's reasonable suspicion and in some idiot cop's eyes, enough evidence to convict). Twice now, I was pulled over for going like 5 mph over the speed limit (the quota cop's excuse) and was suspected of DUI after having consumed zero alcohol. Shoulda seen the look on their face with the 0.0 BAC...never received a ticket.
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
lonewolf wrote:
Twice now, I was pulled over for going like 5 mph over the speed limit (the quota cop's excuse) and was suspected of DUI after having consumed zero alcohol. Shoulda seen the look on their face with the 0.0 BAC...never received a ticket.
I had something similar happen a couple years after playing a gig at Davey's in Hastings a few years ago. After I loaded my car, some guy has the bright idea to pull his truck lenght-wise, diaganol behind my car, which I had parked straight in like most people do. He was trying to round up a bunch straggeling drunk friends outside the bar. While I knew I didn't have a lot of room, not wanting to wait all night for this guy to leave, I decide to pull out. I got pulled over a few blocks down the road. Apparently I hit the truck. I was legimiately surprised, seeing as I didn't hear anything nor feel anything in my Ford Focus, which of course is built like a tank and totally absorbs the impact of slamming into a full-sized pick up truck.
To hear the cop before I was given the breathalyzer, you'd swear that I totaled that truck. After I blew my 0.0, she changed her tune. She said it was no big deal; I had just bumped it.
"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
lonewolf wrote:
I was pulled over for going like 5 mph over the speed limit (the quota cop's excuse) and was suspected of DUI after having consumed zero alcohol. Shoulda seen the look on their face with the 0.0 BAC...never received a ticket.
I was pulled over for not using my turn signal on a lonely rural road, at 2:00 am with not a headlight to be seen for miles around. They still checked out my drivers license and registration and did not smell any alcohol on me. (I rarely drink). Just the police state hoping to pull someone over and catch a drunk driver.
I wonder, can you get a ticket for not using a blinker before turning? That would be most of the idiots driving out there all the time, IMO.
undercoverjoe wrote:
I wonder, can you get a ticket for not using a blinker before turning? That would be most of the idiots driving out there all the time, IMO.
I think there is a requirement to put your turn signal on so many feet before turning. I can't think of anyone who's recieved a ticket over it, but it may technically be a ticketable minor moving violation. Could anyone in the know shed any light on that?
"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
undercoverjoe wrote:
I wonder, can you get a ticket for not using a blinker before turning? That would be most of the idiots driving out there all the time, IMO.
I think there is a requirement to put your turn signal on so many feet before turning. I can't think of anyone who's recieved a ticket over it, but it may technically be a ticketable minor moving violation. Could anyone in the know shed any light on that?
There is no specific infraction; however, you could be charged with "careless driving". Nothing like a nice ambiguous catch all violation.
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
undercoverjoe wrote:
I wonder, can you get a ticket for not using a blinker before turning? That would be most of the idiots driving out there all the time, IMO.
I think there is a requirement to put your turn signal on so many feet before turning. I can't think of anyone who's recieved a ticket over it, but it may technically be a ticketable minor moving violation. Could anyone in the know shed any light on that?
There is no specific infraction; however, you could be charged with "careless driving". Nothing like a nice ambiguous catch all violation.
If they were going to start pulling over cars for not putting their turn signal on, you would have lines of them along the streets. The cops wouldn't be able to get anything done. Especially here in Tyrone.
bassist_25 wrote:
I think there is a requirement to put your turn signal on so many feet before turning. I can't think of anyone who's recieved a ticket over it, but it may technically be a ticketable minor moving violation. Could anyone in the know shed any light on that?
There is no specific infraction; however, you could be charged with "careless driving". Nothing like a nice ambiguous catch all violation.
If they were going to start pulling over cars for not putting their turn signal on, you would have lines of them along the streets. The cops wouldn't be able to get anything done. Especially here in Tyrone.
YES ! It has come full circle ! If you lived in Arizona and pulled over everyone who looked Hispanic (No Warrant needed according to the Arizona Statute) you would "have lines of them along the streets" ! Good Call ! Kinda like Nazis...Give me your papers !
lonewolf wrote:
There is no specific infraction; however, you could be charged with "careless driving". Nothing like a nice ambiguous catch all violation.
If they were going to start pulling over cars for not putting their turn signal on, you would have lines of them along the streets. The cops wouldn't be able to get anything done. Especially here in Tyrone.
YES ! It has come full circle ! If you lived in Arizona and pulled over everyone who looked Hispanic (No Warrant needed according to the Arizona Statute) you would "have lines of them along the streets" ! Good Call ! Kinda like Nazis...Give me your papers !
Bill, I wasn't pulled over because of how I looked, it was 2 am, they could not see me. It was just a random pullover, they were hoping to smell alcohol on me, which they did not.
f.sciarrillo wrote:
If they were going to start pulling over cars for not putting their turn signal on, you would have lines of them along the streets. The cops wouldn't be able to get anything done. Especially here in Tyrone.
YES ! It has come full circle ! If you lived in Arizona and pulled over everyone who looked Hispanic (No Warrant needed according to the Arizona Statute) you would "have lines of them along the streets" ! Good Call ! Kinda like Nazis...Give me your papers !
Bill, I wasn't pulled over because of how I looked, it was 2 am, they could not see me. It was just a random pullover, they were hoping to smell alcohol on me, which they did not.
There is no way this can be called profiling.
It went right over your head.
How's it feel to be pulled over legally for an obvious violation of the law ?
Now add to that, being treated like a Jew in Nazi Germany, "Show me your papers please".
How would you feel if the Mexicans crossing the boarder were as white as you ? How would you feel walking through the mall with you son and the Altoona Police stop you to check your papers ? You're annoyed because you got pulled over for breaking the law, yet you are for the Arizona statute that would allow local police to pull you over based on your looks ?
My point is that the abusive police state is directly related to overreaching authoritative abusive government. You like that kind of government, last time I read one of your political posts.
The Federal government refuses to enforce federal law due to future democrat party voters. Arizonian citizens are being raped, kidnapped and killed because of this.
Hawk wrote:YES ! It has come full circle ! If you lived in Arizona and pulled over everyone who looked Hispanic (No Warrant needed according to the Arizona Statute) you would "have lines of them along the streets" ! Good Call ! Kinda like Nazis...Give me your papers !
NO!
The AZ law specifically prohibits this.
You have to be in violation of the law like speeding or careless driving or {place your favorite driving infraction here}.
They cannot legally pull you over for looking hispanic.
BTW, hispanic, like caucasion, does not require capitalization unless at the beginning of a sentence or as a part of a proper title.
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
Hawk wrote:How would you feel walking through the mall with you son and the Altoona Police stop you to check your papers ? You're annoyed because you got pulled over for breaking the law, yet you are for the Arizona statute that would allow local police to pull you over based on your looks ?
Once again...please try to understand this. The AZ law strictly forbids this kind of privacy intrusion. Before an officer can ask a person for their "papers", that person must already be in custody for another violation of a law. In your example, daddy or sonny would have to be arrested for retail theft or some other crime.
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
Hawk wrote:How would you feel walking through the mall with you son and the Altoona Police stop you to check your papers ? You're annoyed because you got pulled over for breaking the law, yet you are for the Arizona statute that would allow local police to pull you over based on your looks ?
Once again...please try to understand this. The AZ law strictly forbids this kind of privacy intrusion. Before an officer can ask a person for their "papers", that person must already be in custody for another violation of a law. In your example, daddy or sonny would have to be arrested for retail theft or some other crime.
You are beating your head off the wall. He will not understand it because he does not want to. If he did; that would mean that he does not agree with his party.
undercoverjoe wrote:The Federal government refuses to enforce federal law due to future democrat party voters..
George Bush courted the Hispanic vote VERY actively, because they tend to be Catholic and socially conservative. The future democrat part is pure Fox News.
And you're being lied to when you hear Arizona is a war zone, and that Phoenix is the kidnapping capitol of the world. Pima County, on the border, has a lower crime rate than the US average, and Nuevo Laredo, MX is the kidnap (and murder) capitol. Obviously, someone will misconstrue this to mean that I think there is no immigration problem, but it's no worse now than a few years ago. It sure makes Palin and Gingrich sound like they're losing their minds, though, doesn't it? If that's what the "grassroots" have for candidates, it's going to be fun in 2012.--->JMS
Merge wrote:Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't "illegal" immigrants already breaking the law by being here??
The correct term is illegal "alien" as defined by Title 8 of the US Code ("immigrant" denotes a status of which they have none). An alien is someone not born in or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Yes, illegal entry (8 USC 1325) is a federal crime punishable by up to 6 months in prison on a first offense. Visa overstays are administrative violations (but they are still here illegally). Also, deportation is an administrative function and not included in the criminal penalties.
Merge wrote:Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't "illegal" immigrants already breaking the law by being here??
Yes, and that qualifies them for racial profiling.
Perhaps undercoverjoe would like every Hispanic pulled over for not using their turn signal (how can they prove they did?) or some other stupid reeason, and the Gestapo Locals can check their documents.
Last edited by Hawk on Tuesday Aug 03, 2010, edited 2 times in total.
Judge Bulton blocked part of the Arizona Statute because of the possibility of racial profiling.
It's really so simple. The Democrats want to have them carry legal documents in order to get a job. If they can't get a job, they'll leave. I don't understand why the Republicans are against this ? Unless the Republicans are protecting those who hire them.
This is from the Washington Post:
.
The opponents argued the law will lead to racial profiling, conflict with federal immigration law and distract local police from fighting more serious crimes. The U.S. Justice Department, civil rights groups and a Phoenix police officer had asked the judge for an injunction to prevent the law from being enforced.
"There is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens under the new [law]," Judge Bolton ruled. "By enforcing this statute, Arizona would impose a 'distinct, unusual and extraordinary' burden on legal resident aliens that only the federal government has the authority to impose."
). Founding Fathers. Constitution. I don't know what those last two mean, but they get cited in every conservative response now, so you can't argue with me on this.
