Arizona Immigration law in court today.

[songsmith]

[.Who's huffing and puffing?Just pointing out that most the bands on that list are as meaningless as well....NailDriver...and somehow you turn it into rightwing huffing and puffing?You're a silly little dude sometimes.Thanks for checking out the sampler.Peace.

I'm not sure how I tied it to NailDriver, but really, does it matter if the posters like the band? As long as someone likes them, it has monetary value... that can be witheld in protest. Using capitalism as a weapon.

As for right-wing bluster regarding illegal immigration, it's everywhere, including this thread. You couldn't find me a hard-righter who doesn't have a big-ass opinion on illegal immigration. Here's mine: I don't like 'em here illegally, either. If companies and individuals didn't hire them, they wouldn't come. Nobody's sneaking into China.--->JMS

[RobTheDrummer]

[.Who's huffing and puffing?Just pointing out that most the bands on that list are as meaningless as well....NailDriver...and somehow you turn it into rightwing huffing and puffing?You're a silly little dude sometimes.Thanks for checking out the sampler.Peace.

I'm not sure how I tied it to NailDriver, but really, does it matter if the posters like the band? As long as someone likes them, it has monetary value... that can be witheld in protest. Using capitalism as a weapon.

As for right-wing bluster regarding illegal immigration, it's everywhere, including this thread. You couldn't find me a hard-righter who doesn't have a big-ass opinion on illegal immigration. Here's mine: I don't like 'em here illegally, either. If companies and individuals didn't hire them, they wouldn't come. Nobody's sneaking into China.--->JMS

Nobody's sneaking into China because they enforce their laws.

[f.sciarrillo]

Nobody's sneaking into China because they enforce their laws.

Good point. Look at other countries. If you sneak into them you are either arrested for be a spy, or shot on the spot.

The problem with America is that you have tree huggers who never left San Fransisco having to put their two cents in, especially when they have no idea what they are talking about ...

[Hawk]

Nobody's sneaking into China because they enforce their laws.

Good point. Look at other countries. If you sneak into them you are either arrested for be a spy, or shot on the spot.

The problem with America is that you have tree huggers who never left San Fransisco having to put their two cents in, especially when they have no idea what they are talking about ...

Ist off, nobody wants to sneak into China. Unless you need a $4 a day job.

2nd, you can't have it both ways. We like to say our country was founded and based on Christian values. "Love your neighbor as yourself".

Support the Democratic (and former President Ronald Reagan) idea for amnesty for those living here with families and paying taxes. They will need to go through legal hoops to become Americans. It will clear out the trash.

Frank. I read the Arizona bill, and as I posted in this thread before, it does promote racial profiling. Basically it says if they have any reason to think someone is breaking the law, they can check their status. If anyone looks Hispanic, they fit the profile. How many white people do you think they'll pull over?

[lonewolf]

Support the Democratic (and former President Ronald Reagan) idea for amnesty for those living here with families and paying taxes. They will need to go through legal hoops to become Americans. It will clear out the trash.

No, it won't. I have a much better idea that neither party would support because it would WORK.

Make it the responsibility of employers to "sponsor" illegal aliens and create harsh penalties for those who fail to do so. At the time of application, the status of the alien would be irrelevant (don't ask, don't tell). In other words, the government wouldn't care whether they were illegally in the USA or not once their sponsor applies for a work permit. Once approved, they get a work permit and can get in line to apply for citizenship using present protocol.

I can't think of a legitimate reason for any other illegals to be here. Those who have family legally residing in the US and want to visit should apply for visas just like everybody else.

The ability to spread legs and sperm should not be a prerequisite for legal residence.

[whitedevilone]

Why is it that the typical leftist's view is that it's the employer's fault?I agree there's some merit to that,but to COMPLETELY overlook the illegal status is wrong.To add to that we have an administration that sees it fit to sue a state just for inforcing laws to protect it's folks.Seriously i suppose the Fed has nothing better to do,things are running sooooo smoothly.Lastly,where are all the Obama hard ons that were so boisterous during his run?This thread has what 1500 reads and not one champions Barry.Are we embarassed?Have we realised that yes it's great we won, but we might have been better off with a hotdog vendor?So much is still not known about this man.He's like backround music at Wal mart at this point.I mean this was the man who was going to"lower the sea level,heal the earth,end emissions,blah blah blahaditty blah".Christ during the greatest ecological disaster in American history he was a non factor.If that would have happened three years ago the left would have burned 1600 Pennsylvania ave to the fucking ground.Now?Silence.Just a few thoughts. Rock and Roll

[f.sciarrillo]

Nobody's sneaking into China because they enforce their laws.

Good point. Look at other countries. If you sneak into them you are either arrested for be a spy, or shot on the spot.

The problem with America is that you have tree huggers who never left San Fransisco having to put their two cents in, especially when they have no idea what they are talking about ...

Ist off, nobody wants to sneak into China. Unless you need a $4 a day job.

2nd, you can't have it both ways. We like to say our country was founded and based on Christian values. "Love your neighbor as yourself".

Support the Democratic (and former President Ronald Reagan) idea for amnesty for those living here with families and paying taxes. They will need to go through legal hoops to become Americans. It will clear out the trash.

Frank. I read the Arizona bill, and as I posted in this thread before, it does promote racial profiling. Basically it says if they have any reason to think someone is breaking the law, they can check their status. If anyone looks Hispanic, they fit the profile. How many white people do you think they'll pull over?

1: People are sneaking into this country and the Federal Government is allowing it

2: I do not support amnesty, I don't care who it is pushing it. The only reason why a Pres would do it is to get the votes. If you do not come into this country legally and go through the ropes to be a citizen, then you don't deserve to be here.

3: We can have it one way - Keep them out. Close the border and treat them the same way any other country would treat them. I will tell you what, why don't you go down to Mexico and try to sneak into that country. Then let us know how it works for you.

And last - You are misinterpreting the bill and putting your own spin into it. No where in there does it say what you said. You filling in lines that are not there. That is the exact same way the left wing media is doing it.

As far as illegals paying taxes - Show me where they are ? They are paid under the table for cheap wages. The pay no taxes .. But we pay for them to live ..

[lonewolf]

Why is it that the typical leftist's view is that it's the employer's fault?

Because, to the leftist:

Government is good, big government is better and government is infallible

Business is bad, big business is evil and causes all problems in the world

At least that is what leftist mignions are taught.

On this issue, there are several protocols that are being ignored by everyone involved.

Of course, we all know that the government just plain doesn't do its primary responsibility of protecting the borders. Call me Mr. Obvious.

For an alien citizen to work in the US, they are required to have a work permit which is generally associated with a specific employer. By law, U.S. employers must check to make sure all employees, regardless of citizenship or national origin, are allowed to work in the United States. When employers overlook this, they are undermining the system just as much as the government is ignoring it. That is why I would propose that they become a vehicle for registering for US work permits.

[KeithReynolds]

Cypress Hill
Juanes
Conor Oberst
Los Tigres del Norte
Rage Against the Machine
Cafe Tacvba
Micheal Moore
Kanye West
Calle 13
Serj Tankian
Rise Against
Ozomatli
Sabertooth Tiger
Massive Attack
One Day as a Lion
Street Sweeper Social Club
Spank Rock
Sonic Youth
Tenacious D
Also-
NINE INCH NAILS • CHRIS ROCK • MAROON 5 • GOGOL BORDELLO • MY MORNING JACKET • BEN HARPER • RY COODER • PITBULL • STEVE EARLE • BILLY BRAGG • SWEET HONEY AND THE ROCK • ANTI-FLAG • THROWING MUSES • STATE RADIO • AZTLAN UNDERGROUND • DJ SPOOKY

What a list of rejects!!! Shouldnt bands actually have to BE ON TOUR to be able to boycott a place?? I bet half those bands dont tour or dont have a tour booked anytime soon. Of course theyre gonna boycott AZ, it makes them not touring look a little better.

We need to kick all illegals out of this country with no questions asked....and maybe some of the bands on that list too just for good measure.

[songsmith]

Why is it that the typical leftist's view is that it's the employer's fault?

Because, to the leftist:

Government is good, big government is better and government is infallible

Business is bad, big business is evil and causes all problems in the world

And to the corporatist:

Any government is too much government, the people should not rule, that is the role of business. Government's only role is to serve business.

If you have money, you must deserve it, and there is no wrong way to get it.

The middle class/worker class is just a resource for business, and nothing more. As a workforce, you give them the least amount you can get away with. As a customer base, you charge them the most amount you can get away with. As a social force, you use your money to turn the easily-swayed among them against their own people, and teach them to worship you and your ill-gotten gains.

Poor people usually make lousy customers. They should die.

Seems odd to me that the right refuses to admit that business employs illegals, like they hang out at Home Depot because it reminds them of the old country, or 16 illegals in a van on I-80 are sightseeing.
Also, I do not believe Fox News' constant clanging that Arizona has been taken over by illegals. It sound suspiciously like the healthcare debate last year, when they made Canada sound like people were dying in the streets for lack of medical care. It's bull, but the mush-heads want SO bad to believe it! They have to, or the house of cards comes tumbling down.
Like I said, if people want to penalize Arizon-istan by keeping their pesetas, there's nothing anyone can do. It's grassroots, and it's capitalism. --->JMS

[Hawk]

Read it Frank. Tell me where I'm wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I believe the illegal aliens are a huge strain on the USA. Obama has a solution, Reagan had the same solution. At least it's better than the Bush and Bush policies of "Let's not do anything".



ANY LAWFUL CONTACT ... WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON.

What "lawful contact" is, might be open to interpretation.




D. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW, A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY MAY SECURELY TRANSPORT AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATESAND WHO IS IN THE AGENCY'S CUSTODY TO A FEDERAL FACILITY IN THIS STATE OR TO ANY OTHER POINT OF TRANSFER INTO FEDERAL CUSTODY THAT IS OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.

E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

I believe this /\ can be interpreted as, if they look Hispanic, there is probable cause.


F. EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN FEDERAL LAW, OFFICIALS OR AGENCIES OF THIS STATE AND COUNTIES, CITIES, TOWNS AND OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS OF THIS STATE MAY NOT BE PROHIBITED OR IN ANY WAY BE RESTRICTED FROM SENDING, RECEIVING OR MAINTAINING INFORMATION RELATING TO THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF ANY INDIVIDUAL OR EXCHANGING THAT INFORMATION WITH ANY OTHER FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY FOR THE FOLLOWING OFFICIAL PURPOSES

How would you interpret D. "Notwithstanding", In spite of ? Then it also becomes racial profiling.

E is without any doubt is racial profiling. Looks Hispanic = probable cause.

[Hawk]

1: People are sneaking into this country and the Federal Government is allowing it

2: I do not support amnesty, I don't care who it is pushing it. The only reason why a Pres would do it is to get the votes. If you do not come into this country legally and go through the ropes to be a citizen, then you don't deserve to be here.

3: We can have it one way - Keep them out. Close the border and treat them the same way any other country would treat them. I will tell you what, why don't you go down to Mexico and try to sneak into that country. Then let us know how it works for you.

And last - You are misinterpreting the bill and putting your own spin into it. No where in there does it say what you said. You filling in lines that are not there. That is the exact same way the left wing media is doing it.

As far as illegals paying taxes - Show me where they are ? They are paid under the table for cheap wages. The pay no taxes .. But we pay for them to live ..

Frank, I know you do realize that has gone on through both Republican and Democratic Administrations ?

Like a typical modern day Republican, you will accept NO compromise. It has to be your way or no way.

Do you realize the cost to do it your way will increase the size of government ? More taxes ?

Lastly, the "words" I used came directly from the bill.

EDIT: Millions of them have fake social security numbers. They pay social security and it stays in the coffers for us, as they will never be able to retrieve it.

[Hawk]

Why is it that the typical leftist's view is that it's the employer's fault?I agree there's some merit to that,but to COMPLETELY overlook the illegal status is wrong.To add to that we have an administration that sees it fit to sue a state just for inforcing laws to protect it's folks.Seriously i suppose the Fed has nothing better to do,things are running sooooo smoothly.Lastly,where are all the Obama hard ons that were so boisterous during his run?This thread has what 1500 reads and not one champions Barry.Are we embarassed?Have we realised that yes it's great we won, but we might have been better off with a hotdog vendor?So much is still not known about this man.He's like backround music at Wal mart at this point.I mean this was the man who was going to"lower the sea level,heal the earth,end emissions,blah blah blahaditty blah".Christ during the greatest ecological disaster in American history he was a non factor.If that would have happened three years ago the left would have burned 1600 Pennsylvania ave to the fucking ground.Now?Silence.Just a few thoughts. Rock and Roll

Please try paragraphs. That's scattered and hard to read.

1st. The bill does promote racial profiling. That is illegal.

2nd. It is not a leftist view, but the view of many, that if they couldn't get a job, they wouldn't come.

3rd. No one is overlooking the illegal status. We have a problem (another one inherited by Obama) of MILLIONS of illegals here in the US. To simply search for them all and send them back would require a bigger government and higher taxes. So we need a solution. There are several on the table. Most Christian religions support making some of them legal in a legal way and having them prove they are here legally in order to get a job.

Why are you complaining now about illegals ? If we check your old posts will we find you bashing any Republican Presidents WHO DID NOTHING about the illegals ? I just don't remember you doing that ?

At least Obama has presented an idea - it's same as the Republican god Ronald Reagan.

Obama was only called a messiah by right wing nuts. Not the left.

And since Obama is not superman, he could not plug the hole in the sea created by BP by himself. He (any president in power) had to rely on the oil industry for answers. How in hell can you expect a president to expertise in plugging a hole the big oil companies didn't know how to fix.

I don't see the "silence" you speak of. Hell, BP vs. Obama is on every news channel.

[Hawk]

Why is it that the typical leftist's view is that it's the employer's fault?

Because, to the leftist:

Government is good, big government is better and government is infallible

Business is bad, big business is evil and causes all problems in the world

Come on Jeff...that sounds like Glen Beck speak.

Government is not always correct. That's why we vote.

Unchecked business can be greedy and needs some regulations and oversight. Some business are good, some are not entirely good. Some can be bad.

We don't want bigger government, we want a government that's big enough.

[Hawk]

You right wingers are so predictable. You never complained about the deficit or illegals until Fox and Limbaugh make it an issue. Then you jump on the band wagon.

Do you realize you are being "played like a violin" just to take down Obama. You eat up the propaganda like candy.

As I've ask on here a thousand times. Why weren't you complaining about these things before Obama ?

None of you have ever answered that question. Each of you should at least ask yourselves that question.

A. Fox didn't tell you
B. All of the above

[Capt. Grammar]

Please try paragraphs. That's scattered and hard to read.

Why is it that the typical leftist's view is that it's the employer's fault?I agree there's some merit to that,but to COMPLETELY overlook the illegal status is wrong.To add to that we have an administration that sees it fit to sue a state just for inforcing laws to protect it's folks.Seriously i suppose the Fed has nothing better to do,things are running sooooo smoothly.Lastly,where are all the Obama hard ons that were so boisterous during his run?This thread has what 1500 reads and not one champions Barry.Are we embarassed?Have we realised that yes it's great we won, but we might have been better off with a hotdog vendor?So much is still not known about this man.He's like backround music at Wal mart at this point.I mean this was the man who was going to"lower the sea level,heal the earth,end emissions,blah blah blahaditty blah".Christ during the greatest ecological disaster in American history he was a non factor.If that would have happened three years ago the left would have burned 1600 Pennsylvania ave to the fucking ground.Now?Silence.Just a few thoughts. Rock and Roll

Why is the typical leftist view that it's the employer's fault? I agree with the notion that there is some merit to that position, but completely overlooking the illegal status of immigrants who do not go through the proper channels to become citizens is wrong. To add to that, we have an administration who sees it fit to sue a state just for enforcing laws to protect its folks. I seriously suppose that the fed has nothing better to do. Things are running sooooo [sic] smoothly.

Lastly, where are all of the Obama hard-ons that were so boisterous during his run for office? This thread has 1500 views and not one champions Barry.* Are we embarrassed? Have we realised that, yes it's great we won, but we might have been better off with a hotdog vendor? So much is still not known about this man; he's like backround music at Wal-Mart at this point. I mean this was the man who was going to "lower the sea level, heal the earth, end emissions, etc." Christ! During the greatest ecological disaster in American history, he was a non-factor. If that would have happened three years ago, the left would have burned 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. to the fornicating ground. Now what is happening? There is only silence. These are just a few thoughts.

Rock and Roll

*I was not sure how to phrase this sentence. I do not understand how you can champion somebody by reading. It is possible that a post could champion a person, but there are not 1500 posts in this thread.

You're welcome.

[f.sciarrillo]

1: People are sneaking into this country and the Federal Government is allowing it

2: I do not support amnesty, I don't care who it is pushing it. The only reason why a Pres would do it is to get the votes. If you do not come into this country legally and go through the ropes to be a citizen, then you don't deserve to be here.

3: We can have it one way - Keep them out. Close the border and treat them the same way any other country would treat them. I will tell you what, why don't you go down to Mexico and try to sneak into that country. Then let us know how it works for you.

And last - You are misinterpreting the bill and putting your own spin into it. No where in there does it say what you said. You filling in lines that are not there. That is the exact same way the left wing media is doing it.

As far as illegals paying taxes - Show me where they are ? They are paid under the table for cheap wages. The pay no taxes .. But we pay for them to live ..

Frank, I know you do realize that has gone on through both Republican and Democratic Administrations ?

Like a typical modern day Republican, you will accept NO compromise. It has to be your way or no way.

Do you realize the cost to do it your way will increase the size of government ? More taxes ?

Lastly, the "words" I used came directly from the bill.

EDIT: Millions of them have fake social security numbers. They pay social security and it stays in the coffers for us, as they will never be able to retrieve it.

O.k let me try this again:

1: I am not Republican - I am an Independent ...

2: There is nothing in that bill about discriminating and singling out people. You are miss quoting it and coming to your own conclusions based on that.

3: Show me the proof of fake ss#'s and the like...

My way is that no immigrant who comes here illegal should get anything. They didn't go through the channels to become a real citizen, so they deserve nothing from me ! Kick them all out and close the border. Problem solved.

[Hawk]

1. Are you registered Independent ? Have you ever voted for a Democrat ? With the exception of the last presidential election have you ever voted for anything other than a Republican ? Call yourself anything you want. You are in alignment with the right wing Republicans.

2. They are not misquotes. I cut and pasted directly from the bill. Lift up that wool that's covering your eyes.

Who pays for YOUR way ? "I want a smaller government, unless I want something for me !" ?

3. It's a fact, research yourself. Do you believe all business pays under the table ? Or do you believe some businesses are fooled by faked documents and fake SS numbers ? Both answers are, "yes".

[f.sciarrillo]

1. Are you registered Independent ? Have you ever voted for a Democrat ? With the exception of the last presidential election have you ever voted for anything other than a Republican ? Call yourself anything you want. You are in alignment with the right wing Republicans.

2. They are not misquotes. I cut and pasted directly from the bill. Lift up that wool that's covering your eyes.

Who pays for YOUR way ? "I want a smaller government, unless I want something for me !" ?

3. It's a fact, research yourself. Do you believe all business pays under the table ? Or do you believe some businesses are fooled by faked documents and fake SS numbers ? Both answers are, "yes".

Yes I am a registered independent, and just so you know, I voted for Clinton all others after him I did a write in because neither party made me feel good..

You are still looking at the bill wrong - See it your way, you won't change. What ever Olbermann says it is, you will agree with.

I still haven't seen you show me proof about the ss#'s illegals use. You calim it, you prove it. I shouldn't have to look it up ...

[Hawk]

1. Are you registered Independent ? Have you ever voted for a Democrat ? With the exception of the last presidential election have you ever voted for anything other than a Republican ? Call yourself anything you want. You are in alignment with the right wing Republicans.

2. They are not misquotes. I cut and pasted directly from the bill. Lift up that wool that's covering your eyes.

Who pays for YOUR way ? "I want a smaller government, unless I want something for me !" ?

3. It's a fact, research yourself. Do you believe all business pays under the table ? Or do you believe some businesses are fooled by faked documents and fake SS numbers ? Both answers are, "yes".

Yes I am a registered independent, and just so you know, I voted for Clinton all others after him I did a write in because neither party made me feel good..

You are still looking at the bill wrong - See it your way, you won't change. What ever Olbermann says it is, you will agree with.

I still haven't seen you show me proof about the ss#'s illegals use. You claim it, you prove it. I shouldn't have to look it up ...

I didn't know Ron Paul was a "write in".

I asked you to explain where I got it wrong (about the bill) ? You always fail when you are asked a question .

As far as SS numbers, if you want to believe all business that hire illegal Aliens pay under the table, then I say we need to punish the business to solve the problem. They are breaking the law.

[f.sciarrillo]

1. Are you registered Independent ? Have you ever voted for a Democrat ? With the exception of the last presidential election have you ever voted for anything other than a Republican ? Call yourself anything you want. You are in alignment with the right wing Republicans.

2. They are not misquotes. I cut and pasted directly from the bill. Lift up that wool that's covering your eyes.

Who pays for YOUR way ? "I want a smaller government, unless I want something for me !" ?

3. It's a fact, research yourself. Do you believe all business pays under the table ? Or do you believe some businesses are fooled by faked documents and fake SS numbers ? Both answers are, "yes".

Yes I am a registered independent, and just so you know, I voted for Clinton all others after him I did a write in because neither party made me feel good..

You are still looking at the bill wrong - See it your way, you won't change. What ever Olbermann says it is, you will agree with.

I still haven't seen you show me proof about the ss#'s illegals use. You claim it, you prove it. I shouldn't have to look it up ...

I didn't know Ron Paul was a "write in".

I asked you to explain where I got it wrong (about the bill) ? You always fail when you are asked a question .

As far as SS numbers, if you want to believe all business that hire illegal Aliens pay under the table, then I say we need to punish the business to solve the problem. They are breaking the law.

I never said that I voted for him. I said that I would like to see him in there, that is a difference. You seem to like to try and discredit people.

Let me guess, you bookmarked my saying something similar to the fact. Knowing you, and how you like to try and discredit everyone, I believe you did just that ..

[Hawk]

I'm not sure haw many sources you need for me to prove to you that illegal aliens pay taxes. I'm guessing if Fox and Limbaugh don't tell you, it's not true. However check these out.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/tax ... axes_N.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/busin ... ation.html

There is even a bill that states that if they ever do become legal, they CANNOT collect anything they paid into SS while they were illegal:
http://www.factcheck.org/article447.html

There's more if you want it.

[Hawk]

Yes I am a registered independent, and just so you know, I voted for Clinton all others after him I did a write in because neither party made me feel good..

You are still looking at the bill wrong - See it your way, you won't change. What ever Olbermann says it is, you will agree with.

I still haven't seen you show me proof about the ss#'s illegals use. You claim it, you prove it. I shouldn't have to look it up ...

I didn't know Ron Paul was a "write in".

I asked you to explain where I got it wrong (about the bill) ? You always fail when you are asked a question .

As far as SS numbers, if you want to believe all business that hire illegal Aliens pay under the table, then I say we need to punish the business to solve the problem. They are breaking the law.

I never said that I voted for him. I said that I would like to see him in there, that is a difference. You seem to like to try and discredit people.

Let me guess, you bookmarked my saying something similar to the fact. Knowing you, and how you like to try and discredit everyone, I believe you did just that ..

Come on. I already pulled up the post where you said you voted for him and I reposted it.
Your come back was, "i went to Church, it's Sunday. I followed with, I'm Catholic, I went to Mass Saturday Evening. Do you remember yet? Would you like me to pull it up again. Yeah, I will discredit anyone who lies. Expect it.

EDIT:
I asked you to explain where I got it wrong (about the bill) ? You always fail when you are asked a question .

Who pays for YOUR way ? "I want a smaller government, unless I want something for me !" ?


As I've ask on here a thousand times. Why weren't you complaining about these things before Obama ? Deficit and Illegal Aliens ?

[f.sciarrillo]

I didn't know Ron Paul was a "write in".

I asked you to explain where I got it wrong (about the bill) ? You always fail when you are asked a question .

As far as SS numbers, if you want to believe all business that hire illegal Aliens pay under the table, then I say we need to punish the business to solve the problem. They are breaking the law.

I never said that I voted for him. I said that I would like to see him in there, that is a difference. You seem to like to try and discredit people.

Let me guess, you bookmarked my saying something similar to the fact. Knowing you, and how you like to try and discredit everyone, I believe you did just that ..

Come on. I already pulled up the post where you said you voted for him and I reposted it.
Your come back was, "i went to Church, it's Sunday. I followed with, I'm Catholic, I went to Mass Saturday Evening. Do you remember yet? Would you like me to pull it up again. Yeah, I will discredit anyone who lies. Expect it.

EDIT:
I asked you to explain where I got it wrong (about the bill) ? You always fail when you are asked a question .

Who pays for YOUR way ? "I want a smaller government, unless I want something for me !" ?


As I've ask on here a thousand times. Why weren't you complaining about these things before Obama ? Deficit and Illegal Aliens ?

I was complaining about illegals before obama. Illegal immigration is something that I have always been against.

That's o.k .. You think what you want, we all know that you just spew broken rhetoric of nonsense. When you get some proof of what you say to back it up I will respond to it and let you know my thoughts ...

And I was right, you did bookmark about Ron Paul. I can only imagine how many posts on here you bookmarked ...

Oh, as for paying my way - I am! The unemployment I get is mine. I paid into it so I should get it ...

Oh something else. Hold on to your panties, But obama is going to be on the view this week. I can imagine just how dripping wet the liberals are over that one ...

[Hawk]

You have yet to prove your statement about the ss$'s ... And I was complaining about it before obama. Illegal immigration is something that I have always been against.

That's o.k .. You think what you want, we all know that you just spew broken rhetoric of nonsense. When you get some proof of what you say to back it up I will respond to it and let you know my thoughts ...

And I was right, you did bookmark about Ron Paul. I can only imagine how many posts on here you bookmarked ...

I just posted sources to back up my statements about SS. Did you miss it ?
Back up a couple of posts.

I have nothing bookmarked. I have a gift of remembering what each of you say relative to politics. Sorry, but I did catch you in a lie, and attempting to lie again.

I pasted the actual bill. Tell me where I'm wrong. Pasting the actual bill is not spewing broken rhetoric.
But why NOW, instead of during Bush, are you posting about illegals ?

Posting sources and pasting the actual bill is about as close to proof as I can get for you.