This is Bullshit!

[bassist_25]

Workers Eat Big after DOL Investigation

Capital Time Tribune

by I.P. Freely

April 25, 2010 - Workers at the Skrote textile factory in Seattle, Washington were recently awarded large sums of backtaco pay after an investigation by the Department of Labor's Wage and Hour division found that the employer had been neglecting to furnish the employees with the Mexican delicacy as required by federal law. Retro adjusted backpay has been estimated to total 60,000 tacos and that all employees are to made whole with their choice from three types of hot sauces. Skrote sewing worker Kelly Dullas said that the taco pay out was a blessing and her family would be looking forward to every night being taco night for dinner.

The Fair Standards Labor Act requires employers to confer upon employees three beef tacos per 40 hours of work a week and 1 chicken taco per every hour over 40. Exempt employees are to be paid 5 beef tacos a week.

[Banned]

Hawk!!! Stop!!!

You and I must have been living in parallel universes during the past 30 years because nothing you are talking about occurred in this universe.

No one home there Lonewolf.

[Hawk]

Hawk!!! Stop!!!

You and I must have been living in parallel universes during the past 30 years because nothing you are talking about occurred in this universe.

Sorry, did I go over your heads ?

The tax cuts to the rich resulted in over one Trillion dollars LESS than the current tax to the rich. You claim it's a wash, attempting to explain that they made so much money because of the tax breaks that they still covered that Trillion even with the tax cuts. That's BS.
I say prove it.

I say if you give tax cuts to the tune of a Trillion, you have to cut spending in order to balance the budget. Explain where I'm wrong ?

You say Obama increased entitlements yearly by 24%. I ask a very simple question. Give me the numbers. How much additional money went to each of these entitlements ?

You said these rich top 2% made more money this year because of the tax cuts through their businesses and investments. My Claim is that if this is true, where are the jobs ? Where are these businesses ? China ? Mexico ?


These were reasonable questions and you (lonewolf) sink to an undercoverjoe like retort about parallel universes.

Why don't you just say, "I don't know". Or, just answer the questions and teach me where my logic (which resembles many economists) is wrong.

Seems to me the parallel universe is where you hide to avoid facts.

Very simple, you have the 24% figure, so you should have the dollar amount right there in front of you. Show it to me.

I also asked each of you why you never complained about deficits while Bush drove it up 100% from 5 plus Trillion to 10 plus Trillion ?

If you cut taxes you cut income to the Federal government. If you lengthen unemployment, you reduce how much the Federal Government has. The Republicans ask for cuts to spending somewhere else in order to "pay" for unemployment. Many economists say you need to cut spending to make up for lost income due to tax cuts. Is that so hard to understand ?

You say these tax cuts to the rich helped the economy. I would say that the money for extended unemployment helps the economy and therefore tax revenue as well. The unemployed spendtheir unemployment check.

[Lisa]

Ok, but I still have two part-time jobs available. 15-30 hours a week. Must have a great personality and be neat in appearance. One cook/one bartender.

Still waiting for applicants.

Oh, must be willing to take a drug test.

[Hawk]

Ok, but I still have two part-time jobs available. 15-30 hours a week. Must have a great personality and be neat in appearance. One cook/one bartender.

Still waiting for applicants.

Oh, must be willing to take a drug test.

I do believe you are trying to prove a point. Why not one full time job instead of two part time jobs ? Just curious ?

Would you say a family of four could live well with this full time job or would you say these are jobs for someone who is not the bread winner in the household ?

Not trying to piss you off. I'm just pointing out that people need life sustaining jobs to support a family.

I'm sure they are excellent jobs for a family who needs some extra cash and I'm sure you are excellent owners who take care of their staff.

[bassist_25]

Why not one full time job instead of two part time jobs ? Just curious ?

...because it's difficult to bartend out front while cooking a meal back in the kitchen at the same time?

[Flaw]

Why not one full time job instead of two part time jobs ? Just curious ?

...because it's difficult to bartend out front while cooking a meal back in the kitchen at the same time?

wheres the can do attitude...

[songsmith]

So, the rightwing media perpetrated an attempted character assassination this week, and nobody remembers, already.
Shirley Sharrod was the target. See, on Monday, the talkers were feeling some mojo... they had tried some out-and-out race-baiting the week before, with an audiotape from some mental-case calling himself King Shabazz (that wasn't a clue?) and had some success with it... the local shows were burning up the phone lines. So, this week, they trot out a tape of a black bureaucrat named Shirley Sharrod, supposedly telling a black crowd she purposefully did not help a white farmer keep his farm. The tape came from from Andy Breitbart, prominent Fox News hatchet-man, via a website called, objectively enough, BigGovernment.com. EVERY major radio show played the audio on Tuesday, and EVERY host repeated it, each of them attacking the progressive NAACP. Each of them name-dropping their last target, King Shabazz, and tying him to this terrible crime. Each of them pointing out that she mentioned the Tea Party anger at that time (healthcare debate... remember people bringing guns to townhalls, guys?), and sounding the clarion-call to activists to not stand for such reverse-racism.
But the tape was heavily edited. She was telling how she reconsidered, and helped him keep his farm. The unedited version came out right after 6pm, and they interviewed the farmer, who praised Ms. Sherrod's help. BUSTED!!
I missed Sean Hannity's show that night, I bet it was chaos. But, I listened on Wednesday... he performed his entire show as if Tuesday's lead was, "Obama Wrongly Fires Black Woman," and he even told a caller as much. When the caller pointed out that the lead was, "Racist Black Woman Won't Help White Farmer,' he hung up on him. Local talkers refused to talk about it today. They know people are angry at them.
She was fired because Beck was going to blow it up. The White House flinched, and got scared of the wingnut media. Beck now gets to control government. Hmmmmmm. He always says it's the other way around.
Personally if I were her, I'd sue them all. The high-test lawyers would be standing in line, because it's clearly libel that hurt her reputation, and living. She could easily get millions from everyone who played the edited tape. I personally heard it on Hannity, Rush, Ingraham, Savage, Levin and Boortz. Throw in Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC on Monday night, and that's a lot of jingly pockets to drain. Multiple lawsuits, or one giant Supreme Court suit, would shine a harsh light on what extremist political media is doing on a daily basis. I hope she also rides it to political office, because that what pisses off the wingnuts the most: when someone profits from defeating them.--->JMS

[Lisa]

Ok, but I still have two part-time jobs available. 15-30 hours a week. Must have a great personality and be neat in appearance. One cook/one bartender.

Still waiting for applicants.

Oh, must be willing to take a drug test.

I do believe you are trying to prove a point. Why not one full time job instead of two part time jobs ? Just curious ?

Would you say a family of four could live well with this full time job or would you say these are jobs for someone who is not the bread winner in the household ?

Not trying to piss you off. I'm just pointing out that people need life sustaining jobs to support a family.

I'm sure they are excellent jobs for a family who needs some extra cash and I'm sure you are excellent owners who take care of their staff.

Depends on the family's lifestyle. If they don't need to spend a lot of money on entertainment, trips, unneeded vehicles, they could def. use this money to live moderately. Many of our employees are the only income in their home and they get by.

I guess maybe part-time work isn't what people want to get off of unemployment or to reduce the need in unemployment. See, you do get to make some money parttime and still collect. A person would still have enough spare time that they could spend looking for a full time job.

If someone came along and wow'd us with their work ethics, we would gladly give them up to 40 hours a week. Would love to find the perfect person to put in as a front house manager but they can not have any sort of police record including DUI. Not our law, the government's. If you think you can handle it, come down, apply for the part-time bartender position and put 6 months in showing us that you can handle it. Learn the business the real way.

I can not do one full-time instead of two part-time. Bartenders need to be able to work 9 hour shifts sometime. Cooks tend to get 6 hour shifts. There just isn't a way to split the shifts so that all the hours we need can go to one person. It comes to about 50 hours of labor.

Any more questions?

[Hawk]

Ok, but I still have two part-time jobs available. 15-30 hours a week. Must have a great personality and be neat in appearance. One cook/one bartender.

Still waiting for applicants.

Oh, must be willing to take a drug test.

I do believe you are trying to prove a point. Why not one full time job instead of two part time jobs ? Just curious ?

Would you say a family of four could live well with this full time job or would you say these are jobs for someone who is not the bread winner in the household ?

Not trying to piss you off. I'm just pointing out that people need life sustaining jobs to support a family.

I'm sure they are excellent jobs for a family who needs some extra cash and I'm sure you are excellent owners who take care of their staff.

Depends on the family's lifestyle. If they don't need to spend a lot of money on entertainment, trips, unneeded vehicles, they could def. use this money to live moderately. Many of our employees are the only income in their home and they get by.

I guess maybe part-time work isn't what people want to get off of unemployment or to reduce the need in unemployment. See, you do get to make some money parttime and still collect. A person would still have enough spare time that they could spend looking for a full time job.

If someone came along and wow'd us with their work ethics, we would gladly give them up to 40 hours a week. Would love to find the perfect person to put in as a front house manager but they can not have any sort of police record including DUI. Not our law, the government's. If you think you can handle it, come down, apply for the part-time bartender position and put 6 months in showing us that you can handle it. Learn the business the real way.

I can not do one full-time instead of two part-time. Bartenders need to be able to work 9 hour shifts sometime. Cooks tend to get 6 hour shifts. There just isn't a way to split the shifts so that all the hours we need can go to one person. It comes to about 50 hours of labor.

Any more questions?

Very nice Lisa. I hope you find the right people soon.

[lonewolf]

Very simple, you have the 24% figure, so you should have the dollar amount right there in front of you. Show it to me.

Mandatory spending is up 15.6%

FIFTEEN point SIX effing PERCENT with inflation near zero.

When you remove the one time TARP and financial stabilization expenditures, that explodes the number to 24%

If that's not enough, discretionary spending is up 13.1%

THIRTEEN point ONE effing PERCENT with inflation near zero.

Something that you have a hard time understanding is that the budget has been the responsibility of Nancy Pelosi since January 3, 2007.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Unite ... ral_budget

[KeithReynolds]

Many of our employees are the only income in their home and they get by.

Any more questions?

How can you think someone can seriously live off min wage???? Come on now.
They "get by" cause they prob have gov't assistance in addition to the min wage paying job. I thinks its funny when people pay min wage and act like they are helping people out. Try paying a decent wage once. So many places around here DO NOT pay above min wage unless its a nickle or dime over min wage, and then business owners avoid providing jobs that offer insurance. Yeah, youre helping people out all right.

[sstuckey]

When are ANY of you gonna learn? All these political posts do, is cause arguments amongst people that have 0 chance of fixing anything!!! Everyone has an opinion on what's wrong and what's right. And those opinions are just that, opinions. You'd think a website created for musicians and music lovers, would have more posts about I dunno.....ummmm music....and less about this kinda crap that not one of us can do a f'in thing about!! Stop the hatred....can't we all just get along?

[Hawk]

Very simple, you have the 24% figure, so you should have the dollar amount right there in front of you. Show it to me.

Mandatory spending is up 15.6%

FIFTEEN point SIX effing PERCENT with inflation near zero.

When you remove the one time TARP and financial stabilization expenditures, that explodes the number to 24%

If that's not enough, discretionary spending is up 13.1%

THIRTEEN point ONE effing PERCENT with inflation near zero.

Something that you have a hard time understanding is that the budget has been the responsibility of Nancy Pelosi since January 3, 2007.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Unite ... ral_budget

receipts
Estimated receipts for fiscal year 2010 are $2.381 trillion, an estimated decrease of 11% from 2009.

$1.061 trillion – Individual income taxes
$940 billion – Social Security and other payroll tax
$222 billion – Corporation income taxes
$77 billion – Excise taxes
$23 billion – Customs duties
$20 billion – Estate and gift taxes
$22 billion – Deposits of earnings
$16 billion – Other
[edit] Total spending

A pie chart representing spending by category for the US budget for 2010Further information: Government spending
The President's budget for 2010 totals $3.55 trillion. Percentages in parentheses indicate percentage change compared to 2009. This budget request is broken down by the following expenditures:

Mandatory spending: $2.184 trillion (+15.6%)
$695 billion (+4.9%) – Social Security
$453 billion (+6.6%) – Medicare
$290 billion (+12.0%) – Medicaid
$0 billion (−100%) – Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP)
$0 billion (−100%) – Financial stabilization efforts
$11 billion (+275%) – Potential disaster costs
$571 billion (−15.2%) – Other mandatory programs
$164 billion (+18.0%) – Interest on National Debt

US receipt and expenditure estimates for fiscal year 2010.Discretionary spending: $1.368 trillion (+13.1%)
$663.7 billion (+12.7%) – Department of Defense (including Overseas Contingency Operations)
$78.7 billion (−1.7%) – Department of Health and Human Services
$72.5 billion (+2.8%) – Department of Transportation
$52.5 billion (+10.3%) – Department of Veterans Affairs
$51.7 billion (+40.9%) – Department of State and Other International Programs
$47.5 billion (+18.5%) – Department of Housing and Urban Development
$46.7 billion (+12.8%) – Department of Education
$42.7 billion (+1.2%) – Department of Homeland Security
$26.3 billion (−0.4%) – Department of Energy
$26.0 billion (+8.8%) – Department of Agriculture
$23.9 billion (−6.3%) – Department of Justice
$18.7 billion (+5.1%) – National Aeronautics and Space Administration
$13.8 billion (+48.4%) – Department of Commerce
$13.3 billion (+4.7%) – Department of Labor
$13.3 billion (+4.7%) – Department of the Treasury
$12.0 billion (+6.2%) – Department of the Interior
$10.5 billion (+34.6%) – Environmental Protection Agency
$9.7 billion (+10.2%) – Social Security Administration
$7.0 billion (+1.4%) – National Science Foundation
$5.1 billion (−3.8%) – Corps of Engineers
$5.0 billion (+100%) – National Infrastructure Bank
$1.1 billion (+22.2%) – Corporation for National and Community Service
$0.7 billion (0.0%) – Small Business Administration
$0.6 billion (−14.3%) – General Services Administration
$19.8 billion (+3.7%) – Other Agencies
$105 billion – Other

It states clearly at the top of the page that this is Obama's proposed budget. It is not the same numbers of what congress passes.

Revenue is down because of what Obama inherited from Bush and industries have moved away. Revenue is also down because of tax cuts to the rich.

Obama still has the inherited wars to pay for. That's in the discretionary spending. He made some cuts and some increases. I'm glad he is increasing spending for Veterans.

Mandatory spending is up about 341 Billion.


It seems to me again, that you prove my point. Obama was handed crap from Bush. Jobs gone to China etc., lack of revenue because of lack of jobs and tax cuts to the rich. And two wars. If the jobs were here (they aren't coming back) and the tax cuts to the rich never existed, things would be pretty good.

You still haven't answered my question. If the rich are making more money than ever (as you stated) from their businesses and investments, where are all the jobs ? Are they in China ? Are these businesses and investments in foreign countries ?


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The U.S. budget situation has deteriorated significantly since 2001, when the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) forecast average annual surpluses of approximately $850 billion from 2009–2012. The average deficit forecast in each of those years is now approximately $1,215 billion. The NY Times analyzed this roughly $2 trillion "swing," separating the causes into four major categories along with their share:

Recessions or the business cycle (37%); RECESSION = BUSH
Policies enacted by President Bush (33%); BUSH
Policies enacted by President Bush and supported or extended by President Obama (20%); and FORCED ON OBAMA BY BUSH (WARS)
New policies from President Obama (10%). OBAMA 10%
CBO data is based only on current law, so policy proposals that have yet to be made law are not included in their analysis. The article concluded that President Obama's decisions accounted for only a "sliver" of the deterioration, but that he "...does not have a realistic plan for reducing the deficit..."[12]

As you can see, Bush is responsible for 90% if the negative outlook. Obama 10%. That 10% would not exist if industry was still here and the tax cut were never enacted.

[Hawk]

When are ANY of you gonna learn? All these political posts do, is cause arguments amongst people that have 0 chance of fixing anything!!! Everyone has an opinion on what's wrong and what's right. And those opinions are just that, opinions. You'd think a website created for musicians and music lovers, would have more posts about I dunno.....ummmm music....and less about this kinda crap that not one of us can do a f'in thing about!! Stop the hatred....can't we all just get along?

First off, there is NO hatred here.
Second, why open a political thread ? There are many music related threads.
Third, if you follow politics - VOTE. If you don't follow politics - Please don't vote.

[lonewolf]

It states clearly at the top of the page that this is Obama's proposed budget. It is not the same numbers of what congress passes.

Revenue is down because of what Obama inherited from Bush and industries have moved away. Revenue is also down because of tax cuts to the rich.

My post had nothing...NOTHING... to do with revenues. It is purely about the obtuse spending as proposed by Obama. Don't worry, by the time Pelosi & Reid get done with it, it will be far, far worse.

But, if you want to include the revenue issue, fine.

Logically, when a person's or organization's revenues are down, they should:

A) Reduce spending accordingly
B) Increase spending by such exorbitant amounts that most people can't fathom it.
C) Go on vacation
D) Punt

[Hawk]

It states clearly at the top of the page that this is Obama's proposed budget. It is not the same numbers of what congress passes.

Revenue is down because of what Obama inherited from Bush and industries have moved away. Revenue is also down because of tax cuts to the rich.

My post had nothing...NOTHING... to do with revenues. It is purely about the obtuse spending as proposed by Obama. Don't worry, by the time Pelosi & Reid get done with it, it will be far, far worse.

But, if you want to include the revenue issue, fine.

Logically, when a person's or organization's revenues are down, they should:

A) Reduce spending accordingly
B) Increase spending by such exorbitant amounts that most people can't fathom it.
C) Go on vacation
D) Punt

Of all the recent presidents, how many have reduced spending ? How many of all of the presidents have reduced spending ?

I would say nearly ALL of my posts discussed revenue relative to spending in some form (tax cuts) lack of industries, lack of jobs, wars. They do go hand in hand.


You still haven't answered my question. If the rich are making more money than ever (as you stated) from their businesses and investments, where are all the jobs ? Are they in China ? Are these businesses and investments in foreign countries ?

[Hawk]

When are ANY of you gonna learn? All these political posts do, is cause arguments amongst people that have 0 chance of fixing anything!!! Everyone has an opinion on what's wrong and what's right. And those opinions are just that, opinions. You'd think a website created for musicians and music lovers, would have more posts about I dunno.....ummmm music....and less about this kinda crap that not one of us can do a f'in thing about!! Stop the hatred....can't we all just get along?

Have you ever played chess ? I find these political threads like a good game of chess. While there is never a clear winner here, the adventure is a blast. The best part of a game is the game itself, not the end of the game.

You might think we sit here looking like this but we actually sit here looking like this . Sometimes like this or this or this but mostly like this

Besides, I always learn something.

[sstuckey]

Actually buddy it's more like watching the special olympics. No matter who wins or who loses everyone gets a trophy but in the end everyone is still retarded.

[Hawk]

Actually buddy it's more like watching the special olympics. No matter who wins or who loses everyone gets a trophy but in the end everyone is still retarded.

And you open and read it because...?

[sstuckey]

I read it because the title was "this is bullshit" so I said.....hmmm wonder what is bullshit. Low and behold another frikkin political post. So there's your answer.

[lonewolf]

You still haven't answered my question. If the rich are making more money than ever (as you stated) from their businesses and investments, where are all the jobs ? Are they in China ? Are these businesses and investments in foreign countries ?

The rich were making money. Not anymore...the mortgage meltdown caused by FNMA and FHLMC put the fix to that.

If FNMA and FHLMC were allowed to be liquidated in chapter 7, it would free up between 1 and 2 trillion $ for the US treasury. The sub-prime homes would quickly get back on the market and maybe, just maybe we might be able to get the economy back on track.

This economy sucks because just about everybody is in debt up to their nostrils and they are de-leveraging instead of spending. We have a debt bubble. Sadly, the US government has chosen to try to fix a debt problem with exhorbitant new debt. Literally, its like pouring gasoline on a fire and cannot end well.

I suggest buying shares of CYB when its under $24.90. It allows you to hold an interest in Chinese Yuan money.

[Hawk]

I read it because the title was "this is bullshit" so I said.....hmmm wonder what is bullshit. Low and behold another frikkin political post. So there's your answer.

And after you discovered it was a political thread, you read it because...?

Judging from your first post, you collected enough info to make a post.

I like it, I read it. You don't like it yet you read (at least some of) it ? Trophy goes to...you.

[nakedtwister]

I read it because the title was "this is bullshit" so I said.....hmmm wonder what is bullshit. Low and behold another frikkin political post. So there's your answer.

And yet you post on page 4.

[metal_junky]

in the end everyone is still retarded.

Don't make fun, somebody here could go ninja on your ass