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bassist_25 wrote:
lonewolf wrote: Its not that people's greed is necessarily beneficial or harmful to anyone--it is simply the incentive that fuels capitalism. Don't forget the other necessary component: FEAR.

The only time when capitalism's greed hurts society on a macro level is when the overall society itself becomes greedy and fearless. That's what causes bubbles and that's why capitalism is very cyclical.

On the flip side, when society's fear exceeds its greed, we usually get a recession.
Interesting. How would one go keeping that greed and fear in balance, though? :?
Well, thats the 100 Trillion Dollar question, isn't it? It wouldn't be much different than a psychologist trying to "cure" groupthink on a mass scale. You could never achieve balance, only seek to smooth out the waves.

For the most part, greed remains a relative constant. Except for the occasional revelation, most people still want what they want whether times are good or bad. What varies the most under changing conditions is fear or the lack of fear. Most people tend to have less fear and risk more during good times than during bad times. Its all about their perception of the risk required to get what they want.

How do you smooth out society's perception of risk and level of fear?

Shock treatment! A few hundred volts outta take care of it!

Seriously, the best thing I can think of is to add a "personal economics" or "responsibilities in a free society" subject to the curriculum at local schools starting in kindergarten and running all the way to graduation. The object would be to teach the tasks of personal finance and also to recognise the risks and rewards of investing and entrepreneurism.
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Paul, you keep the greed and fear in balance by drifting off at the wheel once and wake up to the sound of metal on metal...your rig and the guide rail, hopefully...and not someone else's vehicle. Happens quite frequently.
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I've always had respect for truckers. Driving those huge machines takes some skill. I don't think I want to drive anything bigger than a pickup truck. lol :lol:
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bassist_25 wrote:I've always had respect for truckers. Driving those huge machines takes some skill. I don't think I want to drive anything bigger than a pickup truck. lol :lol:

I can picture you getting professional manicures. :D
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Here's what igot out of this thread: All haitians and vietnam vets should get jobs as truckers and pay for their own goddamned manicures. Good read!
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lonewolf wrote:Heh, heh, heh. In any other system, you wouldn't have to worry about the price of gas....you'd be riding a bicycle.
Except China, where you'd be driving a Hummer. Those capitalistic jobs went somewhere. "Buy low, sell high" is applicable to labor, too... and those formerly-American jobs won't be back. Capitalism isn't 100% upside for us, you know.--->JMS
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lonewolf wrote: Government, thru both action and inaction was the number 1 reason for the real estate bubble. .

So if somebody cheats on the football field, it's really the referee's fault. You're edging into Rushspeak, Jeff.
lonewolf wrote: The banks were simply doing what the government told them they should do.

Its nothing but a populist myth that the big ole meany banks were responsible for the real estate bubble.
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I wonder who lobbied Congress to get those credit default swaps made legal again so they could simply sell any bad paper (and pocket the bonuses given for selling so many mortgages)? Who could convince Congress to ease oversight and restrictions, sell the risk to someone else, then when the whole sh*tpot tips over, go back to Congress and put us all on the hook for it, leading to even more bonuses?--->JMS
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Eh hell, let's just throw the whole system out and start over :lol:
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songsmith wrote:
lonewolf wrote: Government, thru both action and inaction was the number 1 reason for the real estate bubble. .

So if somebody cheats on the football field, it's really the referee's fault. You're edging into Rushspeak, Jeff.
lonewolf wrote: The banks were simply doing what the government told them they should do.

Its nothing but a populist myth that the big ole meany banks were responsible for the real estate bubble.
:shock:
I wonder who lobbied Congress to get those credit default swaps made legal again so they could simply sell any bad paper (and pocket the bonuses given for selling so many mortgages)? Who could convince Congress to ease oversight and restrictions, sell the risk to someone else, then when the whole sh*tpot tips over, go back to Congress and put us all on the hook for it, leading to even more bonuses?--->JMS
ppg1: See the Buffalo Wild Wings commercial.

It would be different if the government were only the referee. Unfortunately, they owned most of the mortgages too. They basically owned the field, the ball, the stands and the goalposts. They were calling personal fouls on banks that were too strict with low income applicants.

Besides, it isn't cheating when you are following the rules. Put on your thinking cap and absorb this statement: GNMA and FHLMC not only eased the rules regarding mortgage requirements, they put pressure on private companies to push thru more high risk mortgages. Government action.

ppg2: Credit default swaps were never illegal and as early as 1993, were passively exempted from futures regulation because they didn't qualify as a futures contract. The Commodities Futures Modernization act of 2000 reinforced the status quo by actively exempting them from regulation. You can blame lobbyists all you want, but the buck stops at Congress and Congress failed. Government inaction.
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