music theory

[Banned]

this does it for me..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R82OM5tzcrk

makes me MOVE

but why?

pink floyd don't do this too me?

THIS has an EDGE??!!

[Geetarzz]

Talent or not, i'd rather get myself caught in my zipper than listen to ANY of it.

[Banned]

Talent or not, i'd rather get myself caught in my zipper than listen to ANY of it.

great! why? that's what i am interesred in the "why"f it all

a strong opinion is what i am looking for.. either way. a strong opinion means passion, and where there is passion there is often truth/insight

please, elaborate..

[Flaw]

i slept pretty good in that class in high school.

[Banned]

THIS has an edge.. too

i love it! but why is the question i ask

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9NJqfy6 ... r_embedded#

i don't even know what i mean when i say that? any prof musician tell me what i mean by an "edge"? love to get some dialogue going on here

[4_the_pocket]

THIS has an edge.. too

i love it! but why is the question i ask

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9NJqfy6 ... r_embedded#

i don't even know what i mean when i say that? any prof musician tell me what i mean by an "edge"? love to get some dialogue going on here

Ask 50 different people and your going to get 50 different answers. It has nothing to do with being a "professional" but more with taste and preference.

[f.sciarrillo]

I kinda like the groove on the first one. I gives me that southern rock kinda feel.

Here is something better than the second link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcgMDj52prI

[f.sciarrillo]

THIS has an edge.. too

i love it! but why is the question i ask

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9NJqfy6 ... r_embedded#

i don't even know what i mean when i say that? any prof musician tell me what i mean by an "edge"? love to get some dialogue going on here

Ask 50 different people and your going to get 50 different answers. It has nothing to do with being a "professional" but more with taste and preference.

There is nothing more true than that statement right there. I agree 100%

[Banned]

THIS has an edge.. too

i love it! but why is the question i ask

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9NJqfy6 ... r_embedded#

i don't even know what i mean when i say that? any prof musician tell me what i mean by an "edge"? love to get some dialogue going on here

Ask 50 different people and your going to get 50 different answers. It has nothing to do with being a "professional" but more with taste and preference.

right, i get that. one man's garbage is another's gourmet meal.

but lots of stuff that is popular that's moves people is really crap. take for instance current crapola kids crazy about today.. uhh for instance black-eyed pissants? they suck LARGE imo, no talent no nothing borne in a corporate boardroom full of lawyers scored "lottery" largely due to marketing efforts. kids don't know sh^t these days!they have no clue what real talent/soul is

YOU said smthg about "3 chords and no distortion" as an example on impressive talent. real talent does exist.. it's just not all about personal preference. a lot of people like crap.

i don't even know what i am asking from you here .. i guess i am trying to get in the head of prof musicians.. see what you see. maybe that is impossible

[4_the_pocket]

THIS has an edge.. too

i love it! but why is the question i ask

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9NJqfy6 ... r_embedded#

i don't even know what i mean when i say that? any prof musician tell me what i mean by an "edge"? love to get some dialogue going on here

Ask 50 different people and your going to get 50 different answers. It has nothing to do with being a "professional" but more with taste and preference.

right, i get that. one man's garbage is another's gourmet meal.

Thats it.

but lots of stuff that is popular that's moves people is really crap. take for instance current crapola kids crazy about today.. uhh for instance black-eyed pissants? they suck LARGE imo, no talent no nothing borne in a corporate boardroom full of lawyers scored "lottery" largely due to marketing efforts. kids don't know sh^t these days!they have no clue what real talent/soul is

This is solely your opinion....nothing more and certainly not a statement of fact. You are just echoing what every older generation says about the younger generation. A friend told me once, "Rock-n-roll is a young mans game". Ill take it a step further to say Pop/Billboard music is a young mans game. Its all marketed to a younger crowd.

YOU said smthg about "3 chords and no distortion" as an example on impressive talent. real talent does exist.. it's just not all about personal preference. a lot of people like crap.

I did not say that.

i don't even know what i am asking from you here .. i guess i am trying to get in the head of prof musicians.. see what you see. maybe that is impossible

Learn an instrument....I dunno

I dont care or worry about what I like or why I like it.

[bassist_25]

but lots of stuff that is popular that's moves people is really crap.

Is it crap then? Isn't music supposed to move people? You're confusing technical proficiency with cultural significance.

take for instance current crapola kids crazy about today.. uhh for instance black-eyed pissants? they suck LARGE imo, no talent no nothing borne

If you can sing in key, you have talent. If you can play in time, you have talent. However, the artistic value of using those talents is subjective and even critical theory analysis can't produce any objective measurement of its "goodness" or "badness"

How are the Black Eyed Peas less talented than the Outlaws? The music of the Outlaws is, for all definitions and purposes, quite simplistic when compared to classical, baroque, jazz, or any myriad of Eastern music that's based on semi-tone scales when compared to Western music's half-tone scale. A lot of the people who play that type of music look down on rock music, along with other types of pop and folk music, the same way you look down at the Black Eyed Peas. Check out Wynton Marsalis; he's one of the biggest elitists to ever play jazz and thinks that rock music is crap. Hell, Segovia thought the electric guitar was just a gimmicky toy.

in a corporate boardroom full of lawyers scored "lottery" largely due to marketing efforts.

For better or for worse, music's a business. If you don't market your music in one way or another, who the hell is going to hear you? No, it's not focus groups and market research, but you are marketing when you play a live show if the idea is to get people to hear your music and buy your album. If a certain band from Liverpool hadn't marketed themselves on The Ed Sullivan show a couple decades ago, the face of popular music in America would probably be quite different.

kids don't know sh^t these days!they have no clue what real talent/soul

Maybe so or maybe not - Either way, just about every generation or cohort thinks the new generation or cohort are wrong. At least that's my pop sociology theory. And what exactly is real talent and soul?

it's just not all about personal preference. a lot of people like crap.

Yes, but you have two choices. You can accept that some people just like crap, or you can be a Sideshow Bob and try and shove high culture down everyone's throats.

guess i am trying to get in the head of prof musicians.. see what you see. maybe that is impossible

I used to turn my nose up at the style that I'm currently playing. You can ask our singer. I auditioned for a project he had before bad daZe, and I literally, flat-up said that I wasn't interested because I didn't find the music technically challenging enough as a bass player. Long story short, I ended up playing that style of music in this current project. I learned that my timing wasn't as good as I thought it was. My technique wasn't as clean as I thought it was. My tone was nowhere as good as I thought it was. My backing vocals...well, they were nonexistant prior to joining. I might of thought that I was playing "simplistic" music, but I had to get the mechanics of my playing down.

I've played a range of music in my career, some of it probably thought of as crapola. However, I've learned something valuable from each and every playing situation that I've ever been in.

[MeYatch]

Personally, I think Green Grass and High Tides is one of the most randomly idiotic songs I've ever listened to. The guitar intro is neat, and after that its just rambling.

Music theory doesn't even come close to why you like a song and I don't. You'd probably be better off asking paul for some psychology.

[witchhunt]

My technique wasn't as clean as I thought it was.

I must inquire. Exactly where does technique come in to play if your playing covers true to the original?

[JackANSI]

Try playing parliament funkadelic with a pick.

Thats where technique matters

[bassist_25]

I must inquire. Exactly where does technique come in to play if your playing covers true to the original?

The execution can still be sloppy (i.e., hitting extra strings, not fretting well, string noise and fret noise, etc.). A painter can recreate a painting, but that person still needs the brush and color technique in order to do it.

[witchhunt]

The execution can still be sloppy (i.e., hitting extra strings, not fretting well, string noise and fret noise, etc.). A painter can recreate a painting, but that person still needs the brush and color technique in order to do it.

O.K., I see what you're saying, but to me that's not technique. That's just simply how controlled or "clean" you play.

[Banned]

Personally, I think Green Grass and High Tides is one of the most randomly idiotic songs I've ever listened to. The guitar intro is neat, and after that its just rambling.

Music theory doesn't even come close to why you like a song and I don't. You'd probably be better off asking paul for some psychology.

when you say it "rambles" what do you mean by that? what "rambles"... i guess what i'm asking is if the conclusion that something rambles than it didin't end up where you think it should? it was 'all over the place".. can you clarify? thanks.

[Banned]

but lots of stuff that is popular that's moves people is really crap.

Is it crap then? Isn't music supposed to move people? You're confusing technical proficiency with cultural significance.

take for instance current crapola kids crazy about today.. uhh for instance black-eyed pissants? they suck LARGE imo, no talent no nothing borne

If you can sing in key, you have talent. If you can play in time, you have talent. However, the artistic value of using those talents is subjective and even critical theory analysis can't produce any objective measurement of its "goodness" or "badness"

How are the Black Eyed Peas less talented than the Outlaws? The music of the Outlaws is, for all definitions and purposes, quite simplistic when compared to classical, baroque, jazz, or any myriad of Eastern music that's based on semi-tone scales when compared to Western music's half-tone scale. A lot of the people who play that type of music look down on rock music, along with other types of pop and folk music, the same way you look down at the Black Eyed Peas. Check out Wynton Marsalis; he's one of the biggest elitists to ever play jazz and thinks that rock music is crap. Hell, Segovia thought the electric guitar was just a gimmicky toy.

in a corporate boardroom full of lawyers scored "lottery" largely due to marketing efforts.

For better or for worse, music's a business. If you don't market your music in one way or another, who the hell is going to hear you? No, it's not focus groups and market research, but you are marketing when you play a live show if the idea is to get people to hear your music and buy your album. If a certain band from Liverpool hadn't marketed themselves on The Ed Sullivan show a couple decades ago, the face of popular music in America would probably be quite different.

kids don't know sh^t these days!they have no clue what real talent/soul

Maybe so or maybe not - Either way, just about every generation or cohort thinks the new generation or cohort are wrong. At least that's my pop sociology theory. And what exactly is real talent and soul?

it's just not all about personal preference. a lot of people like crap.

Yes, but you have two choices. You can accept that some people just like crap, or you can be a Sideshow Bob and try and shove high culture down everyone's throats.

guess i am trying to get in the head of prof musicians.. see what you see. maybe that is impossible

I used to turn my nose up at the style that I'm currently playing. You can ask our singer. I auditioned for a project he had before bad daZe, and I literally, flat-up said that I wasn't interested because I didn't find the music technically challenging enough as a bass player. Long story short, I ended up playing that style of music in this current project. I learned that my timing wasn't as good as I thought it was. My technique wasn't as clean as I thought it was. My tone was nowhere as good as I thought it was. My backing vocals...well, they were nonexistant prior to joining. I might of thought that I was playing "simplistic" music, but I had to get the mechanics of my playing down.

I've played a range of music in my career, some of it probably thought of as crapola. However, I've learned something valuable from each and every playing situation that I've ever been in.

thats a real "relativelistic" way of looking at things isn't it? "everything is good and completely dependent on taste and nothing is bad" when in truth some (lot) of stuff IS bad.

if you've ever caught "american idol" for instance (i absolutely deplore that show but...) MOST are VERY bad vocals. only a few are "good". and even less GREAT. doesn't this also hold true with instrumentals??

[bassist_25]

if you've ever caught "american idol" for instance (i absolutely deplore that show but...) MOST are VERY bad vocals. only a few are "good". and even less GREAT.

You can be objectively in or out of key. It boils down to physics, so yes, you can objectively say whether someone is good or bad. However, the artistic merit of their performances are open to subjectivity. Trying to objectify something like that is like "dancing about architecture," as the saying goes.

[4_the_pocket]

if you've ever caught "american idol" for instance (i absolutely deplore that show but...) MOST are VERY bad vocals. only a few are "good". and even less GREAT.

You can be objectively in or out of key. It boils down to physics, so yes, you can objectively say whether someone is good or bad. However, the artistic merit of their performances are open to subjectivity. Trying to objectify something like that is like "dancing about architecture," as the saying goes.

Ahhhhh, Paul

Good luck on your new job and move, man....I know youll land in a cool project wherever you are.

**sorry for the minor hijack**

[MeYatch]

when you say it "rambles" what do you mean by that? what "rambles"... i guess what i'm asking is if the conclusion that something rambles than it didin't end up where you think it should? it was 'all over the place".. can you clarify? thanks.

I guess it was "all over the place" its like saying a sentence is good because it uses all the letters in the alphabet. I think its crowded, and silly.

Plus I never really got the singing about dragons and castles and stuff, just sounds like middle school.

[bsaller]

You'all gotta remember one thing. Rock'N'Roll is an attitude and nobody said it had to be perfect! Whether it's good or bad is personal taste.

[PStl]

I was hoping for theory discussion. . .

[f.sciarrillo]

I was hoping for theory discussion. . .

http://www.musictheory.net/

[Bag]

Bag loves the Outlaws