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byndrsn · Post by **byndrsn** » Tuesday Nov 09, 2004

I'm watching the country music awards right now. My lord, these people are true performers.

Big and Rich?? just got done and they were fantastic.

I would hope that most of you as musicians are not too closeminded and would consider watching this - this is my first time and I am loving it!!!

Urbs

Imgrimm01 · Post by **Imgrimm01** » Tuesday Nov 09, 2004

Is this post sarcasm ? I mean Toby ( rednekk ) Keith pretending he's a patriot to make a buck , DiKK Brooks & Ass Dunn , feh !! Now REAL country is cool Johnny Cash baby that's where it's at , There are however some newer country folk I like well at least respect The Dixie Chicks , Allison Krause, etc.. they write their own songs and play their own instruments BUT most of this is just crap . and yes I am watching off and on anyway.

tonefight · Post by **tonefight** » Tuesday Nov 09, 2004

Didn't know it was on, I do ocasionally watch CMT......... It may be country but at least you can catch some music on there unlike MTV ( isn't that supposed to be MUSIC TELEVISION )

And yes There is definatly some talent in country music, alot of vocal talent, harmonies ( actual live ones too, not with one of them there harmonizer thangs ) and the different instruments can be cool as well, Dobros, mandolins etc

oobie · Post by **oobie** » Wednesday Nov 10, 2004

there are some very excellent counrty musicians out there but i think hank williams III sets the story strait when he performs his song "pop country really sucks" !! i don't know if any of you ever heard it but you would like it, i guarantee even if you are a pop country fan.

i can't figure out that quote thing but any ways,

i couldn't agree with you more bobby lee, the outlaws are the real country music,(cash, willie, waylan, david allen coe, hank, scruggs,etc, etc, etc, i could go on and on.

i watched them last night their were some good performances but now that i watch that stuff i watch to see if they are really playing or if it is recorded and they are just going through the motions.

byndrsn · Post by **byndrsn** » Wednesday Nov 10, 2004

No, it wasn't meant as sarcasm - I really like a lot of what I hear in country music. Now, I wouldn't give you a nickel for the Dixie clits though.

Personally, I hear a lot more of what I would consider Rock progressions in today's country than I hear in a lot of the stuff that is coming out in today's Rock music. I think the vocals are far superior (and you can understand the words), the lyrics are far superior (they have meaning and are not so ANGRY), and many of the musicians have extreme amounts of talent.

Day by day I think I am becoming more of a country fan.

Oh, and I believe there are A LOT of patriotic country performers - maybe that has something to do with it.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Wednesday Nov 10, 2004

Even though there is an phenomenal amount of talent, I don't dig the new Country so much. It just became too cookie-cutter by the mid 90's. (but just about any mainstream form of music is cookie-cutter nowadays)

Nashville is an evil town. I prefer the Country coming out of Austin. The fat cats don't meddle with it as much. I like a lot of the Neo-Blue Grass stuff like Nickle Creek and Robinella and the CC String Band. (Piece of trivia: Calling Baton Rougue isn't originally a Garth Brooks tune. Rather it was written by a band called New Grass Revival that featured the banjo playing of future fusion player Bela Fleck. That idiot Ralph Emery had a major problem with the band because they had an electric bassist instead of a double-bassist. Damn purist.)

ZappasXWife · Post by **ZappasXWife** » Wednesday Nov 10, 2004

I was just talking to someone yesterday about this 'pop-country', there are sooo many women into this, and it is so obvious to me how the record execs are targeting women age 14-40, who are the ones buying lots of music. I'm sure there's some talent there, although this kind of country is not my bag. Look how they are all handsome and spiffed up, I mean thats not how I remember REAL country stars looking. Speaking of outlaw country, add the late Gram Parsons to the list, man that guy had the sweetest voice especially when he harmonized with Emmylou Harris. Check out the rare album (rare at least on vinyl but has been released on CD, may be inferior sound quality) Grievous Angel if you like great steel guitar and harmonies. Sweet voice, but definitely an outlaw. The guy recorded with the Stones on Exile on Main Street, had ATTITUDE, and died of an OD, sort of qualifies.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Wednesday Nov 10, 2004

Spend some time in Nashville, you won't believe the talent lurking just beneath the radar screen. There are thousands of musicians there, all trying to go national. Many players have more chops than you will see on CMT (or anywhere else for that matter), but there is only so much room at the pop top.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Wednesday Nov 10, 2004

I second that. There are people playing on streetcorners who can drop your jaw at will. I just discovered a blues band, Mike Henderson and the Bluebloods from Nashtown who are as good as any blues band I've ever heard, ever. Mike got frustrated trying to make a living playing blues in Kansas City, and went there to play country and bluegrass, but when they heard him play harp and slide geetar, the deal was sealed. He used to have Reese Winans on piano, but Reese is back with Double Trouble,so he has John Jarvis now. Glenn Worf on bass, and Harry Stinson on drums, all master session players... what a great band.
I don't listen to Froggy anymore, or any other country radio, other than Sheldon Sharpless from Philipsburg. You're absolutely right ZW, it's marketed to 14-40 women. They buy more pop records than any other demographic, and are easily skewed by marketing like video's and magazines. It's pop music... don't believe me, look for an ugly man on CMT. He doesn't exist.
Want REAL country? Try Lefty Frizzell, Del Reeves, Carl Smith, Vern Gosdin, Keith Whitley, Doc Watson, Waylon Jennings, John R. Cash, Porter Wagoner, Bill Anderson, Kitty Wells, Connie Smith, David Allen Coe, Hanks I, II, and III, Roger Miller, Conway Twitty, and of course, Buck Owens, Merle Haggard and George effin' Jones. Hell, I wouldn't let Rascal Flatts (who are a joke in Nashville) carry these people's guitar cases.---->JMS

Mackovyak · Post by **Mackovyak** » Wednesday Nov 10, 2004

I missed the CMA's....I was busy recording a voiceover for a stupid concrete commercial......Blaaaagh.

I agree with Bobby, Cash/Waylon/Willie/Merle - That's real country. Johnny Horton anyone? I just finally picked up Cash Unchained last week. It has Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers as his backing band and the album is fantastic. Highlights: Rowboat (Beck Cover), Rusty Cage (Soundgarden Cover), Sea of Hearbreak, I Never Picked Cotton.

I do disagree on one thing though........if you respect the Dixie Chicks b/c they write their own songs, look in the credits first. You'll see that they hardly write any of their songs and what they do are usually co-written. But, as Lonewolf said...the talent in Nashville lurks beneath the surface......Cash didn't write a lot of his songs either.....Long Black Veil, If I were a Carpenter, ect. But what he did kicked ass too.

HurricaneBob · Post by **HurricaneBob** » Wednesday Nov 10, 2004

Well at least the drummers pushed the right buttons at the CMA's

the herald · Post by **the herald** » Wednesday Nov 10, 2004

country music today is just like all other genres, some of it kicks major ass and some sucks major ass. as far as bluegrass those guys were running circles around these speed metal guitarists 60 years ago and...........they didnt even use electric guit fiddles keet keet! country used to be very strict and most of the bands were from nashville and the south but today country music has more rock, pop and blues influence than ever before and you got guys from australia with no. #1 hits on country radio that says alot, i used to be very prejudice about country music but if you really check it out theres a lot of cool stuff out there(as well as a lot of crap)

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Wednesday Nov 10, 2004

Hurricane wrote:Well at least the drummers pushed the right buttons at the CMA's

Ha!

I really enjoy the production values of pop country. Every record sounds just fantastic.

Post by **Ron** » Wednesday Nov 10, 2004

I have to agree with Mr. Hatt, the production on country tracks is usually very clean with a lot of space. I've mixed country bands before and I think a large part of the "cleanliness" is due to the lack of massively distorted guitars, which means a lot less overtones and harmonics to muddy things up.
Gotta love that distortion though. You won't hear the "wall of sound" on any of those clean recordings.

byndrsn · Post by **byndrsn** » Wednesday Nov 10, 2004

the herald wrote: i used to be very prejudice about country music but if you really check it out theres a lot of cool stuff out there(as well as a lot of crap)

Yeah, exactly, although I keep finding myself liking more of it than I hate.

It is funny considering that a couple years ago I would have rather shaved off all my facial hair than listen to country music (I won't even joke about my "hair on my head"). Now, I listen to country as much as (if not more) than anything else!!

AtHopesEnd · Post by **AtHopesEnd** » Wednesday Nov 10, 2004

I have to agree with The Herald, there is alot of good country music out there and then there is the country music that you could do without. I too once was totally against listening to country music but as I got older and began playing music myself, I have come to realize that to me, to be a musician you need to open your mind and learn to appreciate all types of music, wether it be country,jazz,rock,rap(yes I do believe rap is a true form of music even though most of it is digital and not played with "real" instruments,but if a song has the power to make you move or nod your head then that is what music is about),rock,heavy metal (in all its glorious forms). What I am getting at is that no matter the type of music, there is always a little something you can get from a particular song that makes you appreciate what music is all about. Most of the time I agree the lyrics are total crap and they totally turn you off from a song but I have always listened to the musical part first of a song, then the lyrics second. But hey thats another post . Anyways my whole point of posting about the CMA's was this, did anyone notice at the end of the show when Kenny Chesney recieved his award that they tried to get him off of the stage by playing the "your 2 minutes is up" music and he said he wasnt leaving and when they cut to Brooks And Dunn they stood there not having a clue of what to do and the camera men didnt know who they should be filming...it was total chaos.

byndrsn · Post by **byndrsn** » Wednesday Nov 10, 2004

I wish I would have seen that ending!!!!! DAMN!!!

I am usually in bed and asleep between 9 and 9:30, and I actually stayed up a little later because of the CMA's, but damn - that sounds like fun!

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Wednesday Nov 10, 2004

songsmith wrote:He used to have Reese Winans on piano, but Reese is back with Double Trouble

About two years ago, there was talk of Double Trouble getting together with the ex-singer of the Screaming Cheetah Wheelies. I haven't heard anything about that as of late, though I did see DT jam with John Mayer (and Buddy Rich!) on an Austin City Limits performance.

A few years back, I bought a CD from Cdbaby of a Texas guitar player by the name of Albert Cummings. From what I understand, the album released after the one I bought was produced by Tommy Shannon and Chris Layton. When talking about the best rhythm sections in Rock, most people fail to mention Double Trouble, which I think is a crime. They just gave so much life to Stevie's music. It was if the songs were "breathing".

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Thursday Nov 11, 2004

I am pretty much a music lover. I listen to it all, depending on the mood I am in. I find a lot of the Country songs I like. Some of the musicians are the best I have heard. You don't have all that distortion covering their mistakes and such. Plus the sound some of them use is awesome. About the only thing I don't like about country is all the commercialism of it and the fact the most country stations play the same songs every ten minutes, hence Froggy.

I like some of you enjoy the outlaws more than any of them though. Waylon Jennings, Johny Cash, Kris Krisdofferson, Merle Haggard, Hank Jr., ect.

CMA

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sarcasm

Missed the CMA's