music theory quiz

[PStl]

So the thread Hawk posted Monday intrigued me, about the Three Dog Night song, "Mama Told Me Not To Come".
What other songs have that 3/8 pattern (in 4/4) featured prodominately?

[banderson]

I think Stone Temple Pilots song "Vasoline" is considered a 4/4 signature....But the guitar riff is in 3.

[slackin@dabass]

So the thread Hawk posted Monday intrigued me, about the Three Dog Night song, "Mama Told Me Not To Come".
What other songs have that 3/8 pattern (in 4/4) featured prodominately?

there are alot of bands that use odd time signatures. dream theater, meshuggah, yes, king crimson, tool, mudvayne... master of puppets by metallica actually uses 4/4 and 5/8, and one uses 3/4, 6/4, and 4/4. i love me some good old prog rock. odd meter grooves are just downright cool.

[banderson]

AIC's "Them Bones" uses a 7/8 during the verse's.

Soundgarden really use alot of odd sigs too...."Spoonman" and "Outshined" are both in 7 as well. The end of "Rusty Cage" is a really long one...Its like a 19 count or something. LOL!

[DirtySanchez]

http://www.oddtimeobsessed.com/

[orangekick]

I can't recall which ones at the moment, but there are a couple of Tool songs that feature 3 over 4. Sometimes it's the guitar and bass, sometimes it's the drums.

[DrumAndDestroy]

wtf is a time signature?

[Mandmeisterx]

wtf is a time signature?

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[slackin@dabass]

wtf is a time signature?

[homerski]

Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven" is a study in counter-rhythms and odd time signatures. Try to figure out the count just before the guitar solo?? I think it's 1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2-3-4-5-6-7& (&=half a beat).

John H.

[Merge]

Speaking of Zeppelin, what's the time sig of "The Ocean"??

[Blue Reality]

The verse section of the Ocean is 4/4. The Riff is three measures of 4/4 and one measure of 3/4. The really crazy song is the Crunge. Try counting that one. You have to look at the transcription and its the wierdest maze of shifting time signatures you've seen.

[ozwalt816]

....I'm just tryin to find the bridge.......have you seen the bridge?


(where's that confounded bridge?)

[slackin@dabass]

The verse section of the Ocean is 4/4. The Riff is three measures of 4/4 and one measure of 3/4.

the riff is alternating bars of 4/4 and 7/8. the rest of the song is straight 4/4.

[Blue Reality]

You can conceive of the song as 1 of 4/4 and 1 of 7/8, but that makes for an awkward transcription. I'll check again when I teach tomorrow at Rainbow Music in SC. It's always written as 3 of 4/4 and 1 of 3/4. It's easy to count the song as a measure of 4/4 and one of 7/8, but how you count hinges on what rate you establish the meter of the quarter note of the song.

As long as you're only counting beats as 1,2,3,4 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 ro yourself, you're ok but if you have to talk about actual subdivision of the riff in that frame work it becomes akward and unconventional to most musicians.

I'll check the pages again to see if my memory is right....

[bassist_25]

Vent Dave can appreciate my love of all things I Mother Earth. Like a Girl off of Scenery and Fish has this really cool interlude that segues into 5/4. 5/4 is my favorite odd time signature, because it has this sound of "perpetual motion" due to the extra beat per measure.

I like odd time signatures when they sound natural. Some bands really sound forced when they attempt to cram a bunch of odd time signatures into a song. It's like, "Hey, check out how we can play compounded polymeters of 11/4 over top 9/8, phrased in triplet, with a 17/2 groove played on the cowbell." I always thought that Dream Theater and Tool were really good at playing in odd time signatures while still being musical and able to hold one's attention outside of just the fact that they're in odd time signatures.