Make your own Hussein speech.

[nakedtwister]

Apparently it is because the $600 a month in social security I pay alone most likely I will never get to spend. I don't have the option of investing it to my liking. But lets fork out another 2 billion for Cash for Junkers. What a joke. This administration needs a, wake up call, kick in the nuts.

[RobTheDrummer]

But tax cuts for the wealthy are UPWARD redistribution of wealth...

Wrong on so many things god of liberal spin. I just found this one tidbit a bit laughable. Tax cuts for ANYBODY, rich or middle class (the poor do not pay federal taxes) is just letting people keep their own money. Our money is not the governments to redistribute.

Yea, that's a pretty insane comment Johnny, you gotta at least admit that....My own money to myself is not upward redistribution, it's called EARNED....

[lonewolf]

Its all a matter of preference. Do you prefer trickle-down prosperity or trickle-up poverty?

[songsmith]

Okay, fella's. Once again, I'll walk you through something your groupthink teachers want you to avoid.

If a rich person gets a tax-cut, that doesn't mean the gov't doesn't spend that money. To assume that is laughably naive. It means that money has to come from someone else:
Me and you.

Now, what you believe is that rich people create jobs, and therefore, wealth. WRONG!! If your boss tells you to make something, he is not creating anything... YOU ARE. Workers create goods and services, management just manages it. Power may come from the treetop down, but strength comes from the roots up.
Also, you're all working on the assumption that rich people WANT to spend their money to make you rich as well. Why the hell would they want to do that? They don't want to create jobs with their money, they want to make the most they can while paying the LEAST. It's not trickle-down money, it's flood-up money. Lee Raymond took home 4500 times the average salary at Exxon-Mobil, and average salary was 85 grand! How could that happen? YOU paid $4.25 a gallon for gasoline, that's how. They didn't find a better way to create goods and services, they just got together and squeezed YOU.
Capitalism is not a perfect system. You're just not being drilled constantly on the negative aspects the way you are on the positive. The free market always pays the LEAST you'll take, for your work AND your goods. They KEEP the rest. The people who tout the "haves trump the have-nots" mentality are ALWAYS either very rich men, or think they will be eventually. They see themselves as being more deserving than those who make less. Each of you thinks that about the other. Ask Conservative Dude.
You boys go on thinking that business is there to support you and give you everything you need. Pretend your CEO will happily give up his pay to put a few more people to work. Flood that money up, and see how much trickles down. --->JMS

[RobTheDrummer]

Okay, fella's. Once again, I'll walk you through something your groupthink teachers want you to avoid.

If a rich person gets a tax-cut, that doesn't mean the gov't doesn't spend that money. To assume that is laughably naive. It means that money has to come from someone else:
Me and you.

Now, what you believe is that rich people create jobs, and therefore, wealth. WRONG!! If your boss tells you to make something, he is not creating anything... YOU ARE. Workers create goods and services, management just manages it. Power may come from the treetop down, but strength comes from the roots up.
Also, you're all working on the assumption that rich people WANT to spend their money to make you rich as well. Why the hell would they want to do that? They don't want to create jobs with their money, they want to make the most they can while paying the LEAST. It's not trickle-down money, it's flood-up money. Lee Raymond took home 4500 times the average salary at Exxon-Mobil, and average salary was 85 grand! How could that happen? YOU paid $4.25 a gallon for gasoline, that's how. They didn't find a better way to create goods and services, they just got together and squeezed YOU.
Capitalism is not a perfect system. You're just not being drilled constantly on the negative aspects the way you are on the positive. The free market always pays the LEAST you'll take, for your work AND your goods. They KEEP the rest. The people who tout the "haves trump the have-nots" mentality are ALWAYS either very rich men, or think they will be eventually. They see themselves as being more deserving than those who make less. Each of you thinks that about the other. Ask Conservative Dude.
You boys go on thinking that business is there to support you and give you everything you need. Pretend your CEO will happily give up his pay to put a few more people to work. Flood that money up, and see how much trickles down. --->JMS

If your boss doesn't have money, you don't have a job.

[KeithReynolds]

Carlton Banks called, he's accepting members into the Young Republican's Club.
Get on it fast, there arent many positions left.

[4_the_pocket]

It is the capitalist's right to manage the capital owned as seen fit. If you don't own capital, it means that you're either A). lazy B). inferior C). both.

Ha ha ha.....youre such an ass. If you werent so whacky and ridiculous you would be scary. Fortunately, your extremist point of view is not shared by many. Its people like you that make me thankful for the 2nd amendment.

[lonewolf]

Now, what you believe is that rich people create jobs, and therefore, wealth. WRONG!! If your boss tells you to make something, he is not creating anything... YOU ARE. Workers create goods and services, management just manages it. Power may come from the treetop down, but strength comes from the roots up. --->JMS

Sorry Johnny, you don't have a clue about business. The ones who turn the wrenches are the ones who receive the jobs. The ones who own the company (about 85% are small businesses, not large corporations) risk their capital to produce goods and services and...get this...supply jobs. The wrench-turner can be removed at any time with little effect on the business, but if you remove the owner, you remove the business and you remove the jobs.

[nakedtwister]

Ask Conservative Dude.

It is the capitalist's right to manage the capital owned as seen fit. If you don't own capital, it means that you're either A). lazy B). inferior C). both. It is true that the market determines your worth. Therefore, if you lose your job, it's your own fault for not having the foresight to see market trends.

So it's the common laborers responsibility to make sure the company they work for is setting these trends and trumping up more business? See I did not know this. Glad you filled us in. In other words, the machinist making parts for $7.15/ hr., it's their job to seek out the best buys on material and to seek out consumers for the product. It's not the job of the higher ups making 6 figures to figure this out. Someone has to go on the golf trips right. What planet are you from? Thanks for filling us in. I'll try and work a little harder on my lunch break.

[songsmith]

If your boss doesn't have money, you don't have a job.

If nobody does the job, your boss doesn't have money. Quite a conundrum, huh? You see the boss as above you. I see the boss as beside me. You must need that alpha-dog to tell you what to do, so much so that you elevate him to elite status. I say paying him as much as hundreds of other workers combined is obscene, and that they only get away with it because you need to be led around by the hand so much you allow it.--->JMS

[songsmith]

[. If you don't own capital, it means that you're either A). lazy B). inferior C). both. It is true that the market determines your worth. Therefore, if you lose your job, it's your own fault for not having the foresight to see market trends.

.

Gotcha. If I get a job, it's because upper management saw fit to allow such a poor fool as I to have one. If I lose it, it's my fault. I'm lazy and inferior. Jesus, B, it sure seems like management gets all the upside. I think that was kinda my point.--->JMS

[songsmith]

Sorry Johnny, you don't have a clue about business. The ones who turn the wrenches are the ones who receive the jobs. The ones who own the company (about 85% are small businesses, not large corporations) risk their capital to produce goods and services and...get this...supply jobs. The wrench-turner can be removed at any time with little effect on the business, but if you remove the owner, you remove the business and you remove the jobs.

Again, in your world, I am simply a peon, a pack-animal, and businesses are heroic providers whose only concern is my well-being as an employee. Riiiigghht. Jobs aren't received, they're granted with the understanding that the grantor will be exploiting the grantee's talents and labor, in exchange for the least amount the grantee will accept. Buy low, sell high, etc. An employee cannot control the employer, but the inverse is encouraged. Sure, employees can organize and strike, OHHHH BUT WAIT!!! You guys don't believe in that! The best you can hope for is to climb slowly up the ladder until you become one of the elite... and the elite won't let you until they think there's enough room up there.
The wrench-turner is every bit as important to the scheme, and without him, the boss would have to turn wrenches himself. But you don't see yourself as a wrench-turner, do you? "The people who tout the 'haves trump the have-nots' mentality are ALWAYS either very rich men, or think they will be eventually. "
Suddenly everybody's avoiding my point that tax-cuts for the wealthy are upward redistributions of wealth.--->JMS

[DirtySanchez]

Is this thread still racist?

Buncha porchmonkeys.

[songsmith]

As labor, you hold no right over how this capital is managed. Even more so, you don't have a right to how you're managed. If your manager, who had the foresight to get an MBA, decides that you are not profitable, then too bad, so sad. Survival of the fittest. Company's are doing their capitalistic duty by offshoring overseas. It is their right to make as much profit possible. There is no room for the little guy in America. If we didn't have so many taxes, maybe all of you could evelvate yourselves as well.

I had the foresight to call you out, and you didn't disappoint.
Sigh.

"...at home, drawing pictures... of mountaintops, with him on top... lemon-yellow sun, arms raised in a vee... and the dead lay in pools of blood below..." I was wondering, would it be okay with you if I went out on my backporch and sat for awhile? Apparently, you're so high above me on the foodchain, I thought I'd better ask permission.
Guys like you are all "survival of the fittest" on one hand, and all "The government is the reason I can't succeed" on the other. It's never YOU. It couldn't be. By the tone of your posts, one would think you're a successful businessperson, but trolling Rockpage isn't generally a Fortune 500 pursuit, so I'm surmising that you're more of a self-saturated blowhard. I myself am home nursing a sore back I got from painting houses for a boss who always tries to treat me well, because I do a good job and show up everyday. It is possible for the business-owner to treat his employees with respect and value. He knows I don't do ANYTHING just for the money, and could simply go paint for the competition, but I stay because of how I'm treated, and because I feel like he needs me. For you, to quote The Big Lebowski... It's All About The Dude.--->JMS

[nakedtwister]

[. If you don't own capital, it means that you're either A). lazy B). inferior C). both. It is true that the market determines your worth. Therefore, if you lose your job, it's your own fault for not having the foresight to see market trends.

.

Gotcha. If I get a job, it's because upper management saw fit to allow such a poor fool as I to have one. If I lose it, it's my fault. I'm lazy and inferior. Jesus, B, it sure seems like management gets all the upside. I think that was kinda my point.--->JMS

That actually wasn't my quote John. I am computer illiterate and didn't post it right. That was Conservative Guys quote. I'm with you on this. Note my attempt at sarcasm.

[nakedtwister]

You missed my point. Capital is what management owns. As labor, you hold no right over how this capital is managed. Even more so, you don't have a right to how you're managed. If your manager, who had the foresight to get an MBA, decides that you are not profitable, then too bad, so sad. Survival of the fittest. Company's are doing their capitalistic duty by offshoring overseas. It is their right to make as much profit possible. There is no room for the little guy in America. If we didn't have so many taxes, maybe all of you could evelvate yourselves as well.

Can't seem to find evelvate in dictionary.

[Hawk]

The difference between a conservative and a federalist liberal is the conservative only cares about himself. A liberal cares about himself first, then everyone else.

A read through all of the political discussions on Rockpage proves my point.

Just the fact that a Conservative judges others based on his own self shows how asinine they can be. To paraphrase: "IF you have no capitol you are either lazy or inferior". YES - not everyone is equal to you. Neither in IQ and/or physical capabilities.

I do not want to help the lazy. I will do whatever it takes to help the inferior ! The conservative thinking is to - screw the inferior. Leave them without health insurance. Don't help them in any way. Use them, YES, USE them. Pay them minimum wage and complain they get too much.

Go out and meet hundreds and hundreds of people from ALL walks of life, I have. And you will discover that people are as different on the inside as they are on the outside. No two alike. I've met many people with very low IQs. You can tell by talking to them for less than 5 minutes. In short, you might say they are stupid. They will never do anything better than a minimum wadge job. Just because you have the ability to do better than minimum wage, don't fool yourself into thinking anyone can do it.

I care about the inferior. If you read the people you label "liberal" you will find we are all on the same page in that respect.

EDIT: spelling correction from N T

[nakedtwister]

Just for the record Hawk, It's WAGE. We'll cover it at practice.

[Colton]

We'll cover it at practice.

Uh no.

[DirtySanchez]

Minimum Wadge= How ugly porn starlets are paid.

[nakedtwister]

Minimum Wadge= How ugly porn starlets are paid.

[songsmith]

I think he meant minimum waddage. --->JMS

[Hawk]

I think he meant minimum waddage. --->JMS