Shot In Church

[Hawk]

I'm against all killing, including the death penalty. The only justified killing I would recognise is self defence, which includes war.

Abortion is a tough one though. I was always against it even from the point of impregnation. I consider it a sin. However, I can't see the government making laws against abortion. It will not effectively stop the sin of aborting a fetus.

So I find the control to be the mother's, not the government's. I think it's wrong, but it's not the government's business.

Killing the doctor was wrong and a very unGodly thing to do.

[slackin@dabass]

It has always intrigued me that the GOP is identified as the "Pro Life" party. War anyone?

Actually, both parties do the "War" thing. They kinda have to agree on it.

Anyway, the whole abortion argument was always so weird to me. Like Slackin' says, would you want to abort it, or have it in a dumpster at the prom? It's the same exact thing, only one has a little more time added to it. My problem is that you are taking an innocent life. It's no different than a murderer killing an innocent victim. The mother can choose to abort, well what about the baby? Does the baby have a say? Being careless and irresponsible is no reason to take an innocent person's life away from them. If the woman's life is at risk is also a bullshit argument. They have hospitals and procedures for complications with birth. Rape is pretty much the only reason I can think of where I'm cool with abortion. Again, you're taking an innocent life that didn't choose the situation they are in, but that was forced upon by a dirtbag. I'll end my rant right......now.

well, how bout this...

what if the child will be born into a terrible life of abuse or neglect otherwise? what if the kid comes into the world and has a terrible life because the parents didn't want the child?

i know... adoption, whatever... it's a better alternative, but this argument isn't about adoption.

i'd rather the kid not be beat and left to fend for themselves in this world all because some crack whore can't decide it's time to take charge of her life. but, that's my opinion...

[hicksjd9]

Hmm. I think that we can ALL agree that arguing about abortion sucks worse than abortion.

[slackin@dabass]

Hmm. I think that we can ALL agree that arguing about abortion sucks worse than abortion.

i think conversing about certain topics is fun. no one here is arguing. we're discussing. it's a discussion board. that's what you do.

[hicksjd9]

Hey Slackin',

I wasn't pissin' on your cheerios, man. My post wasn't a comment on your discussion. You and Rob are doing a fine job making your points.

[tornandfrayed]

This post is very nicely done. Points well made all around except for the deathdealer dude, he must be the Touchebag... Or uh Douchbag....

[REDillon]

HAHAHAHAH! Nice Torn.

[Bag]

Can't we just call them douches?

[slackin@dabass]

Hey Slackin',

I wasn't pissin' on your cheerios, man. My post wasn't a comment on your discussion. You and Rob are doing a fine job making your points.

it's cool... although, i bet if you did piss on my cheerios, and didn't tell me, and video taped me eating it, we could win america's funniest home videos...

[Naga]

"Abortion is the greatest destroyer of peace, it's war against the child”

Wow! Amazing words!

I'm against all killing, including the death penalty. The only justified killing I would recognise is self defence, which includes war.

Abortion is a tough one though. I was always against it even from the point of impregnation. I consider it a sin. However, I can't see the government making laws against abortion. It will not effectively stop the sin of aborting a fetus.

So I find the control to be the mother's, not the government's. I think it's wrong, but it's not the government's business.

Killing the doctor was wrong and a very unGodly thing to do.

I'm not any sort of Christian Hawk, but you're absolutely right. Every man has their own burden, and they'll have to take on what they've created some day. If that's the case with this man, so be it, but someone of this mortal plane shouldn't have the "right" to decide


Anyway... Saying what I've already said here, I'm not a Christian... But I am against abortion. I don't have an issue with killing some people. They've proven they don't deserve their time on this earth seeing as they're using it to put others in such misery. My stance, I base on the idea of killing an innocence. Life, even in its first few moments, is the most beautiful thing to me. I agree that so many children grow up to endure the same issues that we do, and some worse. But then, maybe they have a better chance than we, who have already lived a fair bit of our lives. And maybe they'll make it their own way. Maybe not. Sad but true, you never know. I just think it would be better to try to find out

And anyway, each generation nowayears is becoming more and more irresponsible. Why should there be a simple antidote to something they possibly shouldn't be doing anyway. I know that if I had such a "fate", I would be a man about it and do everything I could for my child, so they hopefully don't have to endure the way I have. Whether or not I'd succeed is all to itself. I would still cherish the thought that I have the results of my own procreation in the process of creation... But maybe some don't see it that way

All of this said, however, is my stance. My opinion is hard to surmount by someone else in my own mind, as with anyone... But then I'm not out to change masses with my thoughts. If people have an opinion, another just clashes, not changes. I realize that a lot of people disagree with my ideology on abortion. I wish they wouldn't, but then I realize they have their rights to opinion just as I have mine

And to resolve back to the thought on hand,... As I said, I don't share the views that allow for this doctor's vocation. However, he's still a human being. What he's done divides at my own moral fabrics, but there is such a hypocracy behind this. This zealout, this religious nut, is supposed to be more kind to his fellow man, according to his own deity! He's supposed to have respect for that doctor's life, even if he HATES what he is! So where does the line break when this man, who supposedly loves all life, makes a mission to destroy another's? WTF was he thinking?!

I don't know, can't decide, and won't decide if the doctor should have some level of "punishment". My opinion doesn't give me anything near the semblance of that right. He is his own self, just as the man who took his life is also his own self. The long and short of it is, there is NOTHING gained in this. There is no good will from the gunman. He's obviously no "good Christiain" to have done such a disdainful deed

...We will now return you to your regularly scheduled programming. Thank you! Heh

[hicksjd9]

Nice post, Naga.

[DirtySanchez]

Don't eat babies.

I think that is the moral of this thread and something we can all agree on.

[Ron]

Don't eat babies.

I think that is the moral of this thread and something we can all agree on.

LOL. Yes, I hope we are all in agreement on that.

[Dragan Kalasa]

**Thank you wikipedia**

taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-life

<i>Both "pro-choice" and "pro-life" are examples of political framing: they are terms which purposely try to define their philosophies in the best possible light, while by definition attempting to describe their opposition in the worst possible light. "Pro-choice" implies the alternative viewpoint is "anti-choice," while "pro-life" implies the alternative viewpoint is "pro-death" or "anti-life." Similarly each side's use of the term "rights" ("reproductive rights", "right to life of the unborn") implies a validity in their stance, given that the presumption in language is that rights are inherently a good thing and so implies an invalidity in the viewpoint of their opponents.

Pro-life and pro-choice individuals often use political framing to convey their perspective on the issues and, in some cases, to discredit opposing views. Pro-life advocates tend to use terms such as "unborn baby", "unborn child", or "pre-born child", while some pro-choice advocates insist on scientific terminology (distinguishing between a zygote, a blastula, an embryo, and a fetus, and objecting to "fetus" as a blanket term).</i>

taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-choice

<i>Pro-choice individuals often do not consider themselves "pro-abortion" because they consider abortion an issue of bodily autonomy, and find forced abortion as legally indefensible as the outlawing of abortion. Indeed, some who are pro-choice consider themselves opposed to some or all abortions on a moral basis, but believe that abortion bans imperil women's health. Others have a practical acceptance of abortion, arguing that abortions would happen in any case but that legal abortion under medically controlled conditions is preferable to illegal back-alley abortion without proper medical supervision.</i>

I am a pro choice moderate.

taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-choice

<i>Some pro-choice moderates, who would otherwise be willing to accept certain restrictions on abortion, feel that political pragmatism compels them to oppose any such restrictions, as they could be used to form a slippery slope against all abortions.</i>

Don't mean to seem weak by taking something off the net, but I didn't feel like typing it all out. It's easier to copy and paste...lol.

[DirtySanchez]

Also from the INternet:



http://eatbabies.com/site/?cat=10

[Dragan Kalasa]

Also from the INternet:



http://eatbabies.com/site/?cat=10

That promo t-shirt is morbidly funny.