Shot In Church

[AllHolLowsEVe]

Somehow I figured that this thread would turn into a battle between pro-life and pro- choice. Liberal against Conservative. etc etc. I personally am not religious but the fact that a man was gunned down in a church (which I always assumed was a place of safety and refuge) is a tragedy. Nothing more and nothing less.

George Carlin was right in his routine about the 10 Commandments.

"Thall shalt not kill........now this one has become negotible, for more people have died in the name of religion than anything else"

[RobTheDrummer]

Abortion is wrong, however it's also wrong to kill a man. So either way, the whole thing is messed up.

[Banned]

Kill 'em All, Let God Sort 'em Out!

[songsmith]

Men should think before they comment about what they think should go into or come out of woman's vaginas..... unless it's Skittles. Then damn, comment away.

I think God has bigger fish to fry, don't you? Maybe if Hitler & Osama Bin Laden were aborted, we wouldn't have had such issues in history?

I feel like stirring the pot today...with my ass.

Really feelin' this post. Abortion isn't a big issue for me because I don't have a functioning uterus. In the end, only the woman can make the choice. We can only offer support at that point.--->JMS

[hicksjd9]

I think that "women should decide argument" is bullshit. When it comes to moral social issues, everyone has a say. That's what a democracy is. For some reason, there seems to be some innate belief that women are the moral pillars of our society...uhm...really?

If they want to have an abortion early on, it's legal, what can I say? If they want to have one in the later portion of their third trimester, when the baby could live on its own with a little help, then my position is that they are basically killing their young (if the mother's life is at stake, it's a different story).

It's ridiculous to think that people shouldn't take a stand on something that is morally reprehensible just because it "doesn't involve them." That's the type of thinking that allows holocausts to happen.

[thebattle]

Is it possible to have a normal thread on rockpage without the usual people thinking they know everything and only open there mouth to be an asshole b/c thats all it is. One person makes a thread and 20 others have to put there GREAT WISDOM AND IGNORANCE IN IT.

[hicksjd9]

That's how things go on here, didn't you get the memo?

[whitedevilone]

Is it possible to have a normal thread on rockpage without the usual people thinking they know everything and only open there mouth to be an asshole b/c thats all it is. One person makes a thread and 20 others have to put there GREAT WISDOM AND IGNORANCE IN IT.

Wow man you can't be serious?!What do you think makes it a "thread"?

[bassist_25]

Abortion is wrong, however it's also wrong to kill a man. So either way, the whole thing is messed up.

The point of the argument summed up in two simple sentences. Nicely done, Mr. Bonsellenelli.

I think that "women should decide argument" is bullshit.

At the risk of pissing some people off, I have to totally agree with JD. And I identify myself as a feminist (yes, males can be feminists). The last time I checked, modern genetics says that I'm half responsible for what's inside the zygote as well. I don't have to carry the child to term, but I did have an equal hand (for lack of a better term ) in creating the child. Whether one's pro-life or pro-choice, I always thought the "it's only the woman's choice" argument was intrinisically flawed.

Unfortunately, most of the abortion debate is polarized by extremist nutjobs on both sides of the aisle. You have the crazies on one hand, like the shooter talked about in this thread, with pictures of fetuses on picket signs, and on the other hand, you have people so obsessed with "keeping the government off of their bodies" that their arguments have about as much logic as one would find in a high school freshman debate class.

[hicksjd9]

Great post, Paul. I agree with what you said about the nut jobs on both sides.

[DirtySanchez]

Is it possible to have a normal thread on rockpage without the usual people thinking they know everything and only open there mouth to be an asshole b/c thats all it is. One person makes a thread and 20 others have to put there GREAT WISDOM AND IGNORANCE IN IT.

Wow man you can't be serious?!What do you think makes it a "thread"?

New Rockpage rule: All threads must be only one post.

[REDillon]

Now, let's look at the amount of single mothers out there who's baby daddy decided not to have any thing to do with the child except be a sperm donor. I'm not saying there aren't men out there being the sole caretaker of their children, but they aren't the majority. Woman are the primary caretakers of their children, period.

As for being responsible for the "zygot", I'd once love to hear the converstation, "If you're gonna get me pregnant and not stay for this child, have a vasectomy first and save us all the trouble." So guys, all of you have vasectomies before you have unprotected sex with a woman you're not gonna stay with and not help raise the child. Since we all have a say about each others body parts, this might be a good place to start.

Do I believe in 3rd trimester abortions? No. A viable solution is the evental adoption of that child. Do I believe a man should have been murdered? Think about it this way, if they were aborted years ago, there would have been no need to murder them later. You save the life as a baby but not as an adult? Interesting.

[Bag]

The thing I don't get about the Pro-life maniacs who are out protesting and shit, WTF do you care if Jane Doe gets an abortion? Were YOU planning on taking care and raising the unwanted child? Don't worry Mr. Toomuchtimeonmyhands, they'll go to hell, and you'll go to heaven. Right?

[REDillon]

Touche, Bag! Or is it touch-y.

[tornandfrayed]

It has always intrigued me that the GOP is identified as the "Pro Life" party. War anyone?

Great posts all around except for the stupid ones, you know who you are.

Life is precious and life is frail. Ask Vinny and Harry. We should look at all the posts around here, they are basically saying the same thing over and over.

Some people are assholes and some are not.

My wife gets pregnant we are ecstatic! My wife's life is in jeopardy in the third trimester I don't even have to look at my three kids to know that abortion is the way.

Regardless of the rules it's happening.

Bullshit to anyway who's says it's murder.

And this coming from a Daddy who is full tim 100%, I an accepting full responsibility in the eyes of God so get the fuck over it. I will do what it takes to make sure my wife is OK. If you don't like it then too bad.

People who want to tell other people what to do to their own bodies have too much time on their hands and not enough of a life.

I am sorry that I didn't start a new thread with this thought, you know too many thoughts in one thread could be confusing to some of us....

If you want to save innocent lives go over to Iraq and use your body to cove up one of those random bombs or better yet go stand in front of a soldier who is about to get his head blown off....

I mean just saying there is a lot of death, seems like "pro life" is just a self righteous bullshit title made up by the party "No".

And also I think it would be cool to save every child that is a potential abortion victim. Not opposed to that maybe we could right that into law?

[bassist_25]

Now, let's look at the amount of single mothers out there who's baby daddy decided not to have any thing to do with the child except be a sperm donor. I'm not saying there aren't men out there being the sole caretaker of their children, but they aren't the majority. Woman are the primary caretakers of their children, period.

As for being responsible for the "zygot", I'd once love to hear the converstation, "If you're gonna get me pregnant and not stay for this child, have a vasectomy first and save us all the trouble." So guys, all of you have vasectomies before you have unprotected sex with a woman you're not gonna stay with and not help raise the child. Since we all have a say about each others body parts, this might be a good place to start.

Do I believe in 3rd trimester abortions? No. A viable solution is the evental adoption of that child. Do I believe a man should have been murdered? Think about it this way, if they were aborted years ago, there would have been no need to murder them later. You save the life as a baby but not as an adult? Interesting.

I agree with you on a few points, and I disagree with you on a few points. I was going to reply with my thoughts, but abortion is just one of those touchy subjects that gets people riled up. And you're too cool of a cat, Ruschelle, to get into a potentially touchy debate like this.

[hicksjd9]

I don't think anyone here has sanctioned the murder of the doctor. Even among pro-life "nuts" as you say, only a very small population would even consider shooting a doctor. Even then, that small population within a population probably has mental "issues." I also gotta say, when is it society's responsibility to take care of people's bad choices? I just don't get this. I may not want to take care of your unwanted child, but I also didn't MAKE your unwanted child and I didn't CHOOSE not to use some form of protection. It isn't my responsibility. Just like it isn't society's responsibility to pay off fannie may and freddie mac's debt. If I had an "accident" or if I made bad financial decisions I would man up and deal with the consequences. There are two ways to handle things: Find the easy way out, or own up to the results of your actions. It is irresponsible and dishonorable to take the easy way out or to expect someone else to pay the consequences of your mistakes.

If someone wants to have an abortion it their right to do so under the law. Do I think it is the best choice, no. Do I control your body, no. So do as you please. The only thing I can not keep my mouth shut about is these late-term abortions that don't involve life of the mother. They are bullshit, but I don't care how much I am against them, killing that doctor was terrible. Robthedrummer summed it up well in very few words.

I need to be done talking about this. I hate abortion debates and debates in general. They just go in circles. People will feel how they feel--whether for or against. The law determines what is. Unless it changes, then the argument is pointless. I'll enjoy reading what follows, but I'll do my level best to resist the urge to post any more on this subject.

[REDillon]

That's what I love about you guys. Agree to disagree. Keeps us all friends. No one is gonna agree with anyone 100%. You can't. Just gotta respect each other.

Thanks Paul for not ripping me a new one! But if you want to next time, use some flavored lube. I like melon.

[Banned]

Boy you people are so easy it doesn't take much to set you off!!! thanks for amusing me once again lmfas!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and thanks for proving my point!

[DirtySanchez]

Boy you people are so easy it doesn't take much to set you off!!! thanks for amusing me once again lmfas!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and thanks for proving my point!

admitting to troll will get you banned.

[slackin@dabass]

i think those that are against abortion should not be allowed to kill anything. that includes bacteria. no more cold medicine. bacteria is a living organism.








i'd rather see a girl get an abortion instead of throwing the baby in a dumpster during the prom. just my opinion.

[thebattle]

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sounds like a plan whose the enforcer lol

[songsmith]

Touche, Bag! Or is it touch-y.

Who are you calling a touche-bag?




For the record hicksjd, if my wife wanted an abortion, I would want the baby. But I don't think it's my choice to make, nor would I want it to be. No matter what the circumstance, the choice would be MUCH harder on her than me, and I would stand behind her. I'm finished with this thread.--->JMS

[RobTheDrummer]

It has always intrigued me that the GOP is identified as the "Pro Life" party. War anyone?

Actually, both parties do the "War" thing. They kinda have to agree on it.

Anyway, the whole abortion argument was always so weird to me. Like Slackin' says, would you want to abort it, or have it in a dumpster at the prom? It's the same exact thing, only one has a little more time added to it. My problem is that you are taking an innocent life. It's no different than a murderer killing an innocent victim. The mother can choose to abort, well what about the baby? Does the baby have a say? Being careless and irresponsible is no reason to take an innocent person's life away from them. If the woman's life is at risk is also a bullshit argument. They have hospitals and procedures for complications with birth. Rape is pretty much the only reason I can think of where I'm cool with abortion. Again, you're taking an innocent life that didn't choose the situation they are in, but that was forced upon by a dirtbag. I'll end my rant right......now.

[MoonManTom]

"Abortion is the greatest destroyer of peace, it's war against the child”