for the kerry fans

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Friends, countrymen, lend me your ear!!!

Are you ambivalent in this election? Do you feel that your only choices are between a flip-flopper who's basing his whole caimpaign platform on being a war hero, and a war monger who bombs non-threatening Middle Eastern countries, and then cuts taxes for the wealthy, not fully realizing THAT WARS COST MONEY? Okay, I realize there's that Consumeur Report hippie, but he has a snowball's chance in hell of winning anyways.

If this applies to you, then The Grill Party is for you. George Foreman, our fearless candidate, will push for lower taxes, better education, and low-fat cooking methods. So when you are in the voting booth this November, hit them with a whoop-de-do and vote Foreman.

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Friday, October 01, 2004
The Raw Deal: John Kerry's Inaccurate Statements During Last Night's Debate

"John Kerry's at least 16 inaccurate statements during last night's debate widened his credibility gap on the most important issues facing our nation. While President Bush spoke clearly and from the heart about the path toward victory in the War on Terror, Kerry relied on false attacks and demonstrated his continued willingness to play politics with the War on Terror."

- Steve Schmidt, Bush-Cheney '04 Spokesman



John Kerry Made At Least 16 Inaccurate Statements During Last Night's Debate

Kerry Inaccurately Claimed Cuts In Homeland Security Funding Caused NYC Subway To Be Closed During The RNC Convention. "In an early exchange about homeland security, Kerry got it wrong when he claimed President Bush's cuts in funding for infrastructure protection was 'why they had to close down the subway in New York when the Republican Convention was there.' The only problem is that no subway service beneath Madison Square Garden was suspended during the convention, even as buses were diverted and gridlock ruled the streets." ("Subway Flub Derails Challenger," The New York Post, 10/1/04)
Kerry Falsely Claimed He Had “Made A Mistake In How” He Talked About His Vote Against The $87 Billion, Despite Previously Saying It Would Be "Irresponsible" To Vote Against Funding For Our Troops. (CBS’ “Face The Nation,” 9/14/03)
Kerry Claimed He's "Never, Ever" Used Word "Lying" In Reference To President Bush On Iraq, But In December 2003 Kerry Told A New Hampshire Editorial Board Bush "Lied" About Reasons For Going To War In Iraq And In September 2003 Kerry Said Bush Administration "Lied" And "Misled." (Patrick Healy, "Kerry Camp Lowers N.H. Expectations Behind In Polls, Senator Now Seeks Spot In 'Top Two,'" The Boston Globe, 12/8/03; Sen. John Kerry, Campaign Event, Claremont, NH, 9/20/03)
According To FactCheck.Org, Kerry's "Cost" For The Iraq War Is Off By $80 Billion. ("Distortions And Misstatements At First Presidential Debate," FactCheck.org, 10/1/04, http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=271, Accessed 10/1/04)
According To FactCheck.Org, Kerry "Overstated The Case" On Osama Bin Laden's Alleged Escape At Tora Bora. ("Distortions And Misstatements At First Presidential Debate," FactCheck.org, 10/1/04, http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=271, Accessed 10/1/04)
Kerry Made Assumption The UN Was Willing To Continue Sanctions Against Iraq Despite The Fact They Were Becoming "Increasingly Unpopular With Key Nations." (Glenn Kessler And Walter Pincus, "Few Factual Errors, But Truth Got Stretched At Times," The Washington Post, 10/1/04)
Kerry Misspoke And Said Weapons Of Mass Destruction Were "Crossing The (Iraq) Border Every Single Day." "The AP noted that Kerry misspoke when he said 'we got weapons of mass destruction crossing the (Iraq) border every single day, and they're blowing people up.' Kerry meant terrorists were crossing the border, not nuclear weapons." ("Distortions And Misstatements At First Presidential Debate," FactCheck.org, 10/1/04, http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=271, Accessed 10/1/04)
Kerry Claimed U.S. Soldiers Are "90 Percent Of The Casualties In Iraq," But The Wall Street Journal Puts U.S. Casualties Closer To 50% When You Include Iraqis Helping To Secure Their Own Country. (Editorial, "Our Kerry Iraq Guide," The Wall Street Journal, 9/30/04)
Kerry Falsely Claimed President Bush Diverted Forces From Afghanistan To Iraq; Gen. Tommy Franks Said It's "Absolutely Incorrect" That Resources Were Diverted From Afghanistan. (General Tommy Franks, ABC Radio's "The Sean Hannity Show," 9/21/04)
Kerry Falsely Claimed The Bush Administration Has Not Organized An International Summit To Discuss Iraq. "Reality Check: The administration has, in fact, organized just such a conference, in consultation with Iraqi and other Arab allies. It will be held in Cairo late in November, with the foreign ministers of the G8 countries (i.e. including antiwar countries such as France, Germany and Russia), China, the countries of the Arab League, Turkey and Iran invited to attend. If it goes ahead, it will mark the most significant attempt to forge a political consensus on Iraq since the war." (Tony Karon, "Reality Check: John Kerry," Time.com, http://www.time.com/time/election2004/a ... 13,00.html, 10/1/04)
Kerry Falsely Claimed The President Is "Cutting The COPS Program," When The Truth Is President Bush Has Already Met And Exceeded The COPS Program's 100,000 Officer Goal By 18 Percent. (http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/Default.asp?Item=1056)
Kerry Claimed Gen. Shinseki Was Retired For Testimony On Iraq When In Fact Shinseki's Retirement Was Announced In April 2002, Long Before He Testified About Potential Conduct Of Iraq War. (Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough, "Inside The Ring," The Washington Times, 4/19/02)
Kerry Misleadingly Claimed He Can Bring More Allies Into Iraq. "Reality Check: It wasn't the President's credibility that kept most of the international community out of Iraq; it was, and is, the policies pursued by the U.S. in Iraq. But Kerry is broadly committed to the same policies. And if, as he says, other countries will participate because they have a stake in the outcome, the presumably they would do so no matter who was President of the United States." (Tony Karon, "Reality Check: John Kerry," Time.com, http://www.time.com/time/election2004/a ... 13,00.html, 10/1/04)
Kerry Claimed To Have His Own Four-Point Plan For Iraq, But It Mirrors The President's Plan. "Kerry's plan… is pretty much a checklist of recent initiatives adopted by the Bush Administration." (Tony Karon, "Reality Check: John Kerry," Time.com, http://www.time.com/time/election2004/a ... 13,00.html, 10/1/04)
Kerry Falsely Stated The Agreement With North Korea Broke Down Because The President Didn't Continue The Clinton Administration's Policy. "Reality Check: While the Yongbon facility was under scrutiny and the fuel rods were sealed, North Korea has since admitted to running a secret parallel uranium-enrichment program to create weapons-grade fissile material in the years following the agreement reached with the Clinton administration, in violation of that agreement." (Tony Karon, "Reality Check: John Kerry," Time.com, http://www.time.com/time/election2004/a ... 13,00.html, 10/1/04)
Kerry Falsely Claimed The "Reason For Going To War Was Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Not The Removal Of Saddam Hussein," But The 2002 Use Of Force Resolution Kerry Voted For Specifically Recognized Longstanding Regime Change Policy. (Public Law No. 107-243, Signed Into Law 10/16/02)

sorry for the lame cut and paste job... but check it out anyway...

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ha!

[stonekrow]

Typical Republican response. Tell bold-faced lies and make them sound good. Let me tell you something about their strategy: When someone puts out a rediculous bold-faced lie about someone (Im sure we can all relate to this one) that lie sticks in peoples minds and no matter what you do to try to fix it even if its putting out the truth with unbiased facts to support it, the damage is already done, the image has been etched into your minds. There have been so many instances of the Republicans doing this it makes me sick. The cold hard facts are that Kerry won the debate hands down and anyone who watched it in their hearts whether they admit it or not knows it. I know all these internet and telephone Polls dont hold water in the actual elections but c'mon people, 71% of people who watched the debates said Kerry won???!!!! How obvious it is? All you are doing by saying Kerry was innacurate in all of these topics is further proving that your president is an idiot!!!! Why would you vote for a guy who cant even win a debate against this supposed liar who said everything wrong? Good lord almighty I can only hope that some of you mis-led Bush voters get purged in this election.

[Punkinhead]

but c'mon people, 71% of people who watched the debates said Kerry won???!!!! How obvious it is?

Where is that from? All the one's I've seen have shown that while Kerry was more articulate, Bush was the winner...I didn't watch, I had more important things to do but, this is what was presented in my political science class at IUP...

[byndrsn]

Okay, now I have a "sober" minute to respond - and I know that I was supposed to respond to the other thread, but it went off on some other tangent.

I listened to the debate - not watched. I listened on the radio because I didn't want any distraction to what each of the candidates were saying. I would agree that Kerry is better at this that Bush, but I really can't see where Bush looked like a complete baboon like some people on here kept insisting?!? I thought both men did a good job at public speaking, just that one was not nearly as good as the other - so what.

I have to get up in front of people and talk everyday for my job and know that it is not easy, and I would love to have either Bush's or Kerry's apptitude for it. I have to wonder if the reason I hear so many liberals berating Bush's speaking skills is because they don't agree with the message. If this were the case then I would have to say that Kerry is a moron because I think that many of the statements he makes is completely asinine, but even though I feel that his agenda is stupid, I know that the man behind it is anything but stupid.

As for who won the debate. I guess that depends on how you look at it. I don't know where Stonekrow got that Kerry won by 71% - I didn't see any stats like that. But, let me share the stats from a poll conducted by USA Today (which is a far cry from being a right wing paper).

- When asked who won the debate, Kerry won the debate overall 53%-37% - (But let's look at some of the other questions):

- For instance, asked whether either candidate demonstrated he is tough enough to do the job, Bush won 54%-37%.

- When asked, “regardless of which presidential candidate you support, please tell me if you think John Kerry or George W. Bush would better handle the situation in Iraq.” The answer: Bush wins 54%-43%.

- When asked, “Who do you trust more to handle the responsibilities of commander-in-chief of the military,” Bush won 54%-44%.

- When asked "Who had a good understanding of the issues" - it was tied - 41%-41%

- And when asked “Who was more believable,” Bush won 50%-45%.

- Who expressed themselves more clearly: Kerry won 60%-32% (I think we all knew that already)

- And when asked "who agreed with you more on the issues you care about": Bush won 49%-46%

--- Okay, so these people polled feel that Kerry won overall, but I think the other questions above are more important in regards to our president (who do you trust, who is more believable, who is tough enough to get the job done!)


I want to end this with a quote from columist Bob Emmrich:

“I am struck, through all of this, by the fact that, no matter how (President Bush) says things, everyone on earth knows exactly what he said and that he means every word of it. On the other hand, despite Senator Kerry's eloquence, his defenders spend their time explaining what he said, when he said it, why he said it and often, what he actually meant."