TOTALLY DISSED @ 30SOMETHING

[Hawk]

I just get this feeling (a lot) lately that rockpage is a bunch of sharks in the water waiting for blood.

It feels like high school.

That's not the environment that we need here.

This is a lot of people's introduction to music in our area and I wish it could be a little bit more reflective of how helpful and great the musicians on here are when you meet them in person.

[Hawk]

Claudio is a total douche. He has screwed over more bands than I can name.

He is a cheat and a liar.

Since when do we defend dishonest people...oh, wait, it's usually when we have a business agreement that we are making money on.

But what about the people and bands who this guy has cheated over the years?

One day, Rob, he is going to screw you and then you will understand. I thought calling them amatuers was uncalled for, especially in defense of Claudio

Did the same guy write both of these posts ?

Cool...perhaps you will follow you're own advice.

[generationgap]

Did i ever tell you guys i wash trucks.

Hijack anyone??? lolol

my 2 cents....
Im not defending anyone this is just my point of view...

1) Club owners like people have to follow the law unless you like paying fines and loosing your licenses, going to jail, no job, no money, no car, you ass be walkin and be outdoors ya know.
If you would be in his position you would understand with PLCB watching and listening to your every move, and thats all bar/club owners in PA..............Its no treat to be an owner just ask Claudio.......

2) I have never heard anyone say to me that we asked Claudio to have a benefit, tribute, fundraiser for a good cause, or what ever and he said no cant do it here. Hes always willing do them if he has that day open.
Not many club owners will take the time to do that on any day let alone a Sunday refering to the Korbin Reed benefit, Harry Walter tribute, Jam Nights, J.P.s benefit, and a bunch more Im forgetting.
I have to hand it to Claudio when someone comes to him and ask if they can do something like that, hes always been there without a second glance without a charge.

Like Hawk said WE need the places to play and jam at they dont need us, we are the greater of 2 evils, we have to follow the laws and rules....

Think about it.

.....Bands to D.J.s

[Bag]

Claudio gives me a free beer every now and then, soooo...

I like him!

I don't know anything about doing business with the man, but I'm sure glad he's been part of the music scene. I've seen ALOT of good bands/music in his bars.

[PanzerFaust]

Did i ever tell you guys i wash trucks.

And now for something completely different........

[Hawk]

Did i ever tell you guys i wash trucks.

And now for something completely different........

Yeah, he's got a garden too. Gotta love those veggies.

[BigJohn]

Of Course Claudio will do any benefit show he is asked ... When I had a club benefit show are a dream come true for a club owner the bands don't get paid and if it's for a good cause the club gets packed and you sell a ton of drinks ... It's a no loose sitituation for the club SO BRING ON THE BENEFIT SHOWS CLUB OWNERS LOVE THEM ...

[BDR]

... and hats off to you, John, for always being a friend to live music, as well. r:>)

[hicksjd9]

I played a few shows at Peter C's and we were always treated fairly. It was just a cool place. Wish it was still around!

In my experience, there is no shortage of places to play. As some fail, others pop up. I've NEVER--in any of the bands I've been in--had trouble filling both Friday and Saturday every week. When we didn't play, it was by choice. Have things changed that much in the five or so months I have been out of the loop?

DJ's do get some shows, but they are usually on weekdays which I don't really want anyway.

I don't know, but I feel like the live scene is fine as far as venues are concerned. Now as for getting people to come out, that is a different story.

[generationgap]

Now as for getting people to come out, that is a different story.

Very true, just another part of our laws they decided to lower the limit of intoxication
No one wants a DUI to pay for or contend with..

it sux but what are you gonna do...

[Imgrimm01]

First I want to say that The Grimm and Peter C's were one of the greatest friendships and partnerships I have ever been a part of !!! John and Jodi ALWAYS made us feel at home and what ever we agreed upon we got ! AND if it was a good night we got XTRA !! I have played Sabs and I have played 30 Something and I have NEVER felt welcome, I am a bit amazed that only J.D. seems to have the balls to say what we ALL know, I mean REALLY WE ALL KNOW !!! Bands are always the ones to get the bad night speech if a bar has a slow night they cannot call their food distributors or beer distributors and say " were only going to pay half we had a slow night" if you make an agreement HONOR IT !! if you didn't like the draw don't book them again, but pay them what you owe them ! and that is not a common practice at 30 Something !

[bassist_25]

if you didn't like the draw don't book them again, but pay them what you owe them ! and that is not a common practice at 30 Something !

But the agreement of your pay at 30 Something is contingent upon your draw. It's a door gig, at least for most of the bands that play there. Therefore, if Claudio books you for the door and you only draw 10 people and get $50 at the end of the night, both parties have honored their agreement.

Now if you book a door gig, bring 300 people through the door, and get handed $300 at the end of the night, that's a different story.

[JackANSI]

Um, actually if a bar has consistently slow nights, the beer distributor would be seeing less income from the sale of beer to the slow place (since they will need to buy less). That effectively reduces the distributor's income from that place.

[Blain]

Um, actually if a bar has consistently slow nights, the beer distributor would be seeing less income from the sale of beer to the slow place (since they will need to buy less). That effectively reduces the distributor's income from that place.

Um, no. Buying less beer as a result of slow business is quite a bit different than paying somebody less than you owe them. As a customer, you might buy less beer if money is tight, but you don't go into a bar and order a $2.00 draft, then drink it and tell the bartender you'll give him a buck for it.

If you make an agreement to play for the door, ok. You knowingly made an agreement to play for an unspecified amount. However, if somebody agrees to pay you, let's say $600, and then at the end of the night pays you half of that, that's getting screwed. Doesn't matter if it's common practice in the business, it's still not right.

[JackANSI]

Only true if the distributor delivered what the bar ordered.

If the distributor only brings half the beer and demands full payment, you'd be nuts to pay them for the full order. The band analogy would be sucking bad enough to chasing people of or not bringing in a fair crowd above and beyond the regulars.



Bars have bands to INCREASE their customer base either for that night, or in an attempt to catch more regulars.

The exception would be if the bar owner neglected to attach some kind of 'minimum attendance for full price' deal in his agreement with you. Then its his fault for not being specific and should still pay the full agreement price. Then chalk the night up as 'lesson learned'.

[grimmbass]

JackANSI,

I don't know about you, but I've never had a bar tell me that I had to deliver a specific number of people. The general arrangement is: your band will play x number of hours for x pay (unless it's a door deal). At the end of the night, I've often had to negotiate price based on attendance.

If a bar orders x cases of beer, they pay for them. Period.

To answer my current bandmate Bob and my ex-bandmate JD: We are put in a negotiating conundrum because we operate on cash-based non-binding contracts. If a bar didn't pay a distributor, the distributor would take them to court. Don't get me wrong guys, I feel your pain, but most of the time us bands are not in a great position to negotiate unless we're a major draw at a given club.

How many bands are "licensed" businesses or corporations in this area? Not many, I'd bet. If you want a tit-for-tat arrangement, your only real option is to incorporate and work with written, official arrangements. It's that simple.

[Victor Synn]

How many bands are "licensed" businesses or corporations in this area? Not many, I'd bet. If you want a tit-for-tat arrangement, your only real option is to incorporate and work with written, official arrangements. It's that simple.

Kent, I have to ask a question based on this paragraph. Is Lies really Incorporated? And if not, that's false advertising. You'll all have to change the name to just Lies.

[hicksjd9]

But it's *LIES*, incorporated. Maybe the first lie is that it's NOT incorporated! Good to hear from you guys on the subject!

[grimmbass]

JD beat me to the punch on this one, Justin.

[Blain]

I think they call themselves Lies Inc. because Lies LLC just didn't sound right.

[Victor Synn]

I think they call themselves Lies Inc. because Lies LLC just didn't sound right.

Or Lies, Co.

[moxham123]

Isn't their British conterpart called Fibs, Ltd.?

[bassist_25]

I kind of wish I bought stock in Lies, Inc. when it was first started. I don't know about that Ron guy, though. It looks like he would do an Enron if given the chance.