Say good-bye to Fiore Pontiac, Jeep, Chrysler ...

[f.sciarrillo]

They were served certified letters this morning from the auto manufacturers.

[DrumAndDestroy]

courtesy still sells chrysler

[Banned]

When does a government start telling businesses when they can stay in business or not???????


CONSTITUTIONAL? not

[ToonaRockGuy]

When does a government start telling businesses when they can stay in business or not???????


CONSTITUTIONAL? not

Joe, stop it. Seriously.

They were served certified letters this morning from the auto manufacturers.

Auto manufacturers are not the government. Jesus Christ, quit turning everything into a political debate thread.

[tornandfrayed]

I agree with Toonarock on that and....

Does not matter to me. I will still drive a Jeep. I have tried other vehicles and they don't suit me.

I am still hopeful for the future because without hope you become.....

UndercoverJoe...

Just bustin ya Joe....

Sad that so many will lose their jobs from this.

[fullthrottle666]

interesting to see if courtesy survives the final cut

[jb31dtr]

interesting to see if courtesy survives the final cut

I think they would survive unless Chrysler just doesnt want to sell cars in this area and that is highly doubtful.

[lonewolf]

[lonewolf]

Fiore will still handle these fine imports: VW, Audi, Toyota and Isuzu. Of course, those brands come with no strings attached.

[f.sciarrillo]

Fiore will still handle these fine imports: VW, Audi, Toyota and Isuzu. Of course, those brands come with no strings attached.

I am glad to see that they have those to keep them going. It is a shame about the others, but, what can you do? Jeep leaves this area our closes one will be in Pittsburgh, unless the one in state college is staying open?

[lonewolf]

I haven't heard anything about the fate of D & M Chrysler/Jeep.

In any event, they are consolidating the brands regionally. If Courtesy is chosen as the 16601 dealer, they will end up with Fiore's Jeep franchise.

Blair County will have at least one Chrysler/Jeep dealer--maybe one or two more.

[Banned]

When does a government start telling businesses when they can stay in business or not???????


CONSTITUTIONAL? not

Joe, stop it. Seriously.

They were served certified letters this morning from the auto manufacturers.

Auto manufacturers are not the government. Jesus Christ, quit turning everything into a political debate thread.

Kev, do you ever read a newspaper or look at what is going on in the world? The federal government gave GM and Chrysler billions of our dollars (this is a totally UN-Constitutional act). The government made the CEO of GM resign. The government is calling the shots now.

About 6 months ago GM and Chrylser should just have gone bankrupt, reorganized, re-negotiate the union contracts and start anew. None of our tax dollars were needed to do this.

Now they are going to go bankrupt and reorganize anyway, and the federal government and its unconstitutional "car czar" is in charge of this mess now.

Do you know anything about our Constitution, you know that little piece of paper that politicians ignore? In the USA, the federal gov. is not supposed to get involved with capitalism and private or public owned companies. Period.

If you do not like reading about how wrong this all is, stop reading my posts.

Tell the government to get out of our automobile industry, banking industry, mortgage industry and health care, and I will stop making political posts when these topics arise. I would love post about the auto industry without mentioning the intrusive federal government.

[cucuplex96]

Your right Joe, in these times of crisis, our government will do anything they want to, when they want to, and it dont look like the crisis is gonna get better anytime soon.. so just wait and see what the next thing will be .. the world is consolidating.

[Banned]

Your right Joe, in these times of crisis, our government will do anything they want to, when they want to, and it dont look like the crisis is gonna get better anytime soon.. so just wait and see what the next thing will be .. the world is consolidating.

When a government starts taking over industries, it is called FASCISM.

Hmmmm, lets see now, the Nazi party was the National SOCIALIST party, started taking over the German industries, and then turned into Fascists. Obama is the leader of the socialistic Democrat party and is starting to take over industries in this country. Anyone see something happening here that resembles this recent past?

[f.sciarrillo]

I haven't heard anything about the fate of D & M Chrysler/Jeep.

In any event, they are consolidating the brands regionally. If Courtesy is chosen as the 16601 dealer, they will end up with Fiore's Jeep franchise.

Blair County will have at least one Chrysler/Jeep dealer--maybe one or two more.

I thought fiore bought out d&m ?

I know one thing. If courtesy does get the chrysler franchise; I will travel to pittsburgh to purchase one. I wouldn't own a car given to me from them con artists ..

[JackANSI]

You do know that these companies shouldn't have that many dealerships in the first place (and in towns where the population could bearly support buying a new car routinely enough to make sense). Its part of the reason they are hurting so bad. In the 'gain is normal' market we were stuck in you couldn't close them for fear of losing ground, even if the smart money said it was best.

Blame it on who you want, I doubt anyone here can change your mind

I'm sure Obama is as evil as Hitler.

[Banned]

You do know that these companies shouldn't have that many dealerships in the first place (and in towns where the population could bearly support buying a new car routinely enough to make sense). Its part of the reason they are hurting so bad. In the 'gain is normal' market we were stuck in you couldn't close them for fear of losing ground, even if the smart money said it was best.

Blame it on who you want, I doubt anyone here can change your mind

I'm sure Obama is as evil as Hitler.

The free market determines how many businesses there are in any location. If there are too many, either they all tighten the belts and make less, or the weak ones will perish. Economic Darwinism.

You are OK with the government telling a capitalistic business how to do its job, who should remain open, who should close, how much money the employees and management should make? If you like it, then you like this Fascist direction we are now headed. I liked free market capitalism, with the Constitution limiting federal government powers.

The dealers who were here were profitable, or they would have closed.

[JackANSI]

They wouldn't close them without making their entire position look incredibly weak. (Like it actually was, thanks to poor management)

In a world where people just look at the stock price, you can't do that. The whole world was 'gain is normal'.

I'm in total agreement. It should have been sink or swim with a hands off government.

If the 'free market capitalists' were more careful, they wouldn't have drove us where we are. IMO they had their chance to run things right, they decided to run the economy into the ground so they could make a buck.



Also IMHO, neither a pure capitalist nor a pure socialist system will work as long as humans are in control.

[Banned]

Free market capitalism worked fairly well for this country until 1913. So no example of capitalism since 1913 is not really free market. The creation of the Federal Reserve Bank and the Income tax, both enacted in 1913, has let government corrupt a free market system.

BTW, mismanagement was part of the cause, but the union influence on the Big 3 car makers had a lot to do with their downfall. Many Toyotas and other "foreign" cars are made in the US, where there is very limited union organization, and those companies are not in the trouble that GM and Chrysler are.

[RobTheDrummer]

Well we all know how the government runs things, inefficiently and wasteful. These companies are doomed.

[songsmith]

How about this, Joe:
Fewer dealerships benefits the remaining dealerships. There's less competition. When Fiore closes, the other local dealerships will see more sales. Less competition also means more profit because there's less of the I-can-get-it-across-town-cheaper argument.
Also, the AM-radio crowd will argue that Chrysler should have cut more union manufacturing jobs. They DID actually sign contracts with unions, you know. Management bargained and lost. See, the union workers look at the massive salary packages in management, and say, "I want some of that, too." Management can't really justify their wage, so they have to relent and give the unions a bigger cut of the pie. This all works when the economy's sailing along and people are buying the over-priced crap coming out of Detroit, but when the economy takes a poop, the money dries up. The union contracts are more powerful because of the sheer numbers, but the suits aren't going to walk the unemployment line, so the dealers feel the blade of the axe. I don't support unions, but I support honoring the deals you negotiate.
Besides, saying the word, "socialist" over and over doesn't make it true. Let's try it: "Big weiner. Big weiner. Big weiner."
Nope, nothin'.
The far-right is circling the toilet-bowl, my friend, and their only response is more of the behavior that hit the flush lever in the first place. Stay the course! --->JMS

[fullthrottle666]

How about this, Joe:
Fewer dealerships benefits the remaining dealerships. There's less competition. When Fiore closes, the other local dealerships will see more sales. Less competition also means more profit because there's less of the I-can-get-it-across-town-cheaper argument.
Also, the AM-radio crowd will argue that Chrysler should have cut more union manufacturing jobs. They DID actually sign contracts with unions, you know. Management bargained and lost. See, the union workers look at the massive salary packages in management, and say, "I want some of that, too." Management can't really justify their wage, so they have to relent and give the unions a bigger cut of the pie. This all works when the economy's sailing along and people are buying the over-priced crap coming out of Detroit, but when the economy takes a poop, the money dries up. The union contracts are more powerful because of the sheer numbers, but the suits aren't going to walk the unemployment line, so the dealers feel the blade of the axe. I don't support unions, but I support honoring the deals you negotiate.
Besides, saying the word, "socialist" over and over doesn't make it true. Let's try it: "Big weiner. Big weiner. Big weiner."
Nope, nothin'.
The far-right is circling the toilet-bowl, my friend, and their only response is more of the behavior that hit the flush lever in the first place. Stay the course! --->JMS

Less dealerships mean less market presence. Your argument assumes a great demand for the American product that isn't there. The japs are going to really benefit from this shakeup. Their market share has been increasing for many years and now with less big american auto dealerships they will get an even bigger market share.

On the unions, unions are the reason the american worker gets a decent wage these days. Yes, there have been a buses as of late but without organized workers YOU wouldn't be making the wage that YOU enjoy today! Do you think a corporation has YOUR best interest at heart?

The corporation has to be 'encouraged' to give a good wage and benefits, that's where the unions come in.

[songsmith]

Your argument assumes a great demand for the American product that isn't there.

I'm not sure how it assumes the level of demand. As long as there IS a demand, however small or large, having that demand met by fewer dealerships means less competition and higher prices, equalling more profit for the remaining dealerships PLUS a bigger piece of the overall pie.
My stance on unions: Once upon a time, they literally kept the robber barons from enslaving and even killing the American worker... now, they overprice themselves out of a job, they're dens of corruption and greedy self-interest. I'm the biggest anti-corporate on this forum, I think, but the UAW is as complicit in the failures of the auto industry as the boardroom. Foreign automakers who make cars in the US are much more efficient with lower overhead. The Big 3 are just toppling under their own weight.--->JMS

[fullthrottle666]

Your argument assumes a great demand for the American product that isn't there.

I'm not sure how it assumes the level of demand. As long as there IS a demand, however small or large, having that demand met by fewer dealerships means less competition and higher prices, equalling more profit for the remaining dealerships PLUS a bigger piece of the overall pie.
My stance on unions: Once upon a time, they literally kept the robber barons from enslaving and even killing the American worker... now, they overprice themselves out of a job, they're dens of corruption and greedy self-interest. I'm the biggest anti-corporate on this forum, I think, but the UAW is as complicit in the failures of the auto industry as the boardroom. Foreign automakers who make cars in the US are much more efficient with lower overhead. The Big 3 are just toppling under their own weight.--->JMS

It's a lot about visual presence. Obviously you never had a biz. Location, location, location are top three. Less dealerships mean you will see less of their product, and as a result you will buy less. You certainly are not going to drive '35 miles' to a chrysler dealership to buy an inferior product when you're driving by a LOCAL Honda dealership every day, are you?

Less dealership will mean LESS SALES.


Unions are simply workers organized to advance and protect the interest of the worker. You are a worker aren't you? Do you think the corporation will pay you a decent wage that you can not only survive on but actually propser out of the goodness of their corporate 'hearts' w/o a little prodding?

Come man, you are smarter than this. Everyone is is in for themselves. Wasn't for organized workers (unions) you'd still be living off slave wages. Unions help us all.

[RobTheDrummer]

Your argument assumes a great demand for the American product that isn't there.

I'm not sure how it assumes the level of demand. As long as there IS a demand, however small or large, having that demand met by fewer dealerships means less competition and higher prices, equalling more profit for the remaining dealerships PLUS a bigger piece of the overall pie.
My stance on unions: Once upon a time, they literally kept the robber barons from enslaving and even killing the American worker... now, they overprice themselves out of a job, they're dens of corruption and greedy self-interest. I'm the biggest anti-corporate on this forum, I think, but the UAW is as complicit in the failures of the auto industry as the boardroom. Foreign automakers who make cars in the US are much more efficient with lower overhead. The Big 3 are just toppling under their own weight.--->JMS

I agree with this, however you can't agree that government taking over industries is a good thing.