Where do you think the music scene is headed in Altoona?

cucuplex96 · Post by **cucuplex96** » Saturday May 09, 2009

Yeah so alan said dont work with jim.. his band was probably terrible, and jim couldnt do anything for them.. sure Paul.. I believe everything should be on the table ..but never believe everything you see and read.. sometimes its the shit that you dont see, and the shit that you cant figure out that you should believe

tornandfrayed · Post by **tornandfrayed** » Saturday May 09, 2009

Mark this moment and let's look back at this thread in 6 months then maybe a year.

If the guy is for real then we shall see, if he is not then that will show up also.

I just don't see the harm even if he is full of shit. He really didn't ask anyone for anything. The whole point was discussion and ideas, which he did accomplish.

So far Herman 1, ........

fullthrottle666 · Post by **fullthrottle666** » Saturday May 09, 2009

This thread is probably the best thread that's been posted here for quite some time. This thread, its topic and the ideas and action that come from it has a chance for making real change to the music scene here. If you guys would just let it flow freely, let the ideas come freely no matter how irrelevant they may seem at first.

I'm not a musician. (i wish i was). But I am a fan. or at least i was.

I used to go to many shows but not much anymore. And now, after reading this thread, i'm asking myself why?

On side note, doesn't matter as much if you think yourself good, or you like what you are playing, matters if your fans think you are worth the effort.

So, as far as MY end.. I want to hear my favorite songs. I want Freebird but i want it to sound just like Skynyrd. But at same time i know that's it's impossible for you to do that. only Skynyrd can sound just like Skynyrd (using Skynyrd as example because i like them) i like metal too in its various forms.

so, the fan is at a quandary. now please don't take this wrong but the LAST thing i want is to hear YOUR original tunes. tried that not that good(99% of time). know you put lot of work into it but still sucks to me, most time. sorry. i'm being blunt

what really screws up the cover songs (for me)are the VOCALS. usually. not that you are that bad, you might even be great,, but you just don't 'sound' like the originals. to make up for it maximize your STRENGTHS.

you have a great guitar player, let him do an do an extended play where the emphasis is on him and off the vocals. he can even improvise on those strings here. same goes for the drummer. or bass. mix it up a bit.

the next song that your lead singer absolutely kills let him rip!! let him just destroy with his charisma and talent.

another thing, get animated up there on stage. when it's guitar player's turn to let it rip GET HIM OUT FRONT leaning back on his lumbar vertebrae ala Ted Nugent!!

create a little excitement.

and another thing, think about hiring ANOTHER guitar player so they can DUEL with one another! like &%$#%^& challenge one another. nothing so

as two mother%&^^$# going mano-mano, guitar to guitar, string for string.

don't mean to offend, maybe i am talking to more of the 'classic' people now, i like HEAVY METAL too ala Aldo's style! Some of you really rip up Aldo's. i'd still think about adding another guitar for you guys too. think about it how many metal bands have two?

Herman · Post by **Herman** » Saturday May 09, 2009

Hey can I become a diamond member now? I was told I broke the mode....yea well.......

fullthrottle666 · Post by **fullthrottle666** » Saturday May 09, 2009

Herman wrote:Hey can I become a diamond member now? I was told I broke the mode....yea well.......

herman, is there ONE thing that is common to all great bands? just one thing that every great band has?

Herman · Post by **Herman** » Saturday May 09, 2009

Being original, having everything in place, etc.......go ask my good friend Bret Alexander....ever hear of him?

fullthrottle666 · Post by **fullthrottle666** » Saturday May 09, 2009

Herman wrote:Being original, having everything in place, etc.......go ask my good friend Bret Alexander....ever hear of him?

MY answer is EVERYONE'S got to do THEIR job WELL, on their own. everyone is a band unto themselves. you are part of the whole yet you retain your individuality. and with charisma. each musician must blend yet stand out. you also got to look the part. like a rocker not an accountant who rocks part-time

Bret doesn't strike a chord.

Herman · Post by **Herman** » Saturday May 09, 2009

Nice......but you think anyone understands that? They're saying what the he** does that mean...look at Tracey Chapman....does she fit the mode? There is a real, true heart in being original and doing what no one has ever done before in the music biz. Can you name one? I know one that has never been before ever......and I'm not saying what it is! Are you wondering what it is? I bet you are...and alot of people.....you could never guess it in your lifetime.....

fullthrottle666 · Post by **fullthrottle666** » Saturday May 09, 2009

Herman wrote:Nice......but you think anyone understands that? They're saying what the he** does that mean...look at Tracey Chapman....does she fit the mode? There is a real, true heart in being original and doing what no one has ever done before in the music biz. Can you name one? I know one that has never been before ever......and I'm not saying what it is! Are you wondering what it is? I bet you are...and alot of people.....you could never guess it in your lifetime.....

that's a real unique VOCAL talent, she's not a band. her originality lies in her very unique vocal intonation. she could lead almost anyone still be great.

when you got that level of vocal talent it's all about Tracy. all bets are off.

what does this have to do with a band of four or five musicians seeking fame and fortune?

MeYatch · Post by **MeYatch** » Saturday May 09, 2009

the last thing all successful bands would have in common is originality.

maybe the truly great ones are have originality, but not all the successfull ones.

What the hell is a truly great band anyway? Not everyone is gonna think the same stuff is great.

MeYatch · Post by **MeYatch** » Saturday May 09, 2009

fullthrottle666 wrote:what really screws up the cover songs (for me)are the VOCALS. usually. not that you are that bad, you might even be great,, but you just don't 'sound' like the originals. to make up for it maximize your STRENGTHS.

you have a great guitar player, let him do an do an extended play where the emphasis is on him and off the vocals. he can even improvise on those strings here. same goes for the drummer. or bass. mix it up a bit.

I find it interesting that you would be upset that the vocals aren't spot on, but would encourage the guitar to not be spot on. Not saying you are right or wrong, I just think its interesting.

Herman · Post by **Herman** » Saturday May 09, 2009

Research: How many bands are called, PEGASUS, out there? I question how far will they go? Are they M-TV/ Vh-1 bound? [I knew Fisher a long time before she was the first 'internet' musical star....ask here yourself! Did you ever hear of her?] They is an art to music. Take exsample the blues....why was SRV so different? He stood up for himself and told David Bowie to kiss his a## and they he went off and he his thing.....how many SRV's are out there.....sitting in their basements, doing their thing , and they coukd blow anyone away? Believe me, there are of artists/bands oot there.....just waiting the right moment and timing. They cool thing about it, no one sees it coming and BAMM , you're hooked. Did I make my point?

MeYatch · Post by **MeYatch** » Saturday May 09, 2009

Herman wrote: Did I make my point?

Not trying to be a dick, but no, you didn't make your point at all, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Is this a "all successfull bands have representation" thing?

fullthrottle666 · Post by **fullthrottle666** » Saturday May 09, 2009

MeYatch wrote:
fullthrottle666 wrote:what really screws up the cover songs (for me)are the VOCALS. usually. not that you are that bad, you might even be great,, but you just don't 'sound' like the originals. to make up for it maximize your STRENGTHS.

you have a great guitar player, let him do an do an extended play where the emphasis is on him and off the vocals. he can even improvise on those strings here. same goes for the drummer. or bass. mix it up a bit.
I find it interesting that you would be upset that the vocals aren't spot on, but would encourage the guitar to not be spot on. Not saying you are right or wrong, I just think its interesting.

good point. probably because as an amateur (no musician) intsrument faults are not as obvious as vocals?? i don't know but a great question

MeYatch · Post by **MeYatch** » Saturday May 09, 2009

I think you're probably right. Like you said its impossible to cover a song 100%, that's what DJs are for. So playing in a cover band, I never really tried.

I'm wondering how you feel about that. Is it better to cover a song in your own style than to try to do a song 100%, and only do it 85% ?

Herman · Post by **Herman** » Saturday May 09, 2009

The vocals need to be 'on' to follow the beat, etc....of the song, as per drummer meets bass lines,.etc....it a matter of the syn of the song, jazz is totally different because of the beats, etc.....it's a matter of who is following who and getting it together...... Tony Bennett meets Ozzy, yet still the same, but different styles.....

fullthrottle666 · Post by **fullthrottle666** » Saturday May 09, 2009

don't you guys beat yourself up too much..

right place at right time is the wild card.

you could NOW be greatest hair band, or grunge this Earth has ever seen..

but how far will that get you now?

"right place right time" is another part of the recipe.

again, i'm not a musician just from"a" lowly fan's POV.

fullthrottle666 · Post by **fullthrottle666** » Saturday May 09, 2009

Herman wrote:The vocals need to be 'on' to follow the beat, etc....of the song, as per drummer meets bass lines,.etc....it a matter of the syn of the song, jazz is totally different because of the beats, etc.....it's a matter of who is following who and getting it together...... Tony Bennett meets Ozzy, yet still the same, but different styles.....

no shit. how about some real insight +for these guys/gals.

mjb · Post by **mjb** » Saturday May 09, 2009

seems, maybe noone is happy with their "scene".

i personally, like the scene. just for the record.

i hope everyone can make it out to raise a glass in Harrys honor on the 17th at 30s, 3:00.

http://pghlivemusic.ning.com/forum/topi ... etter-live

cucuplex96 · Post by **cucuplex96** » Saturday May 09, 2009

less babble now.. lets get back to the ideas and what we may be able to get started.. BRAINSTORM! HA!

JackANSI · Post by **JackANSI** » Sunday May 10, 2009

I've been looking for a place to buy to do something along these lines.

Here are the best replies when seeking the additional money I would require to do it right:

1. If you want that, wait for Pellegrines to come on the market someday.
2. Why the hell would you want to waste your time with that in Altoona? Do that somewhere else where you'll actually make enough to pay us back.
3. You'll end up like Burgi's, Altoona's market for that is saturated already.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Sunday May 10, 2009

Be patient. Real estate is all about the art of buying, not selling.

Opportunities will arise very soon.

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Sunday May 10, 2009

Plastered Bastards wrote: Funny,We never play in Altoona

That needs to change.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sunday May 10, 2009

lonewolf wrote:Be patient. Real estate is all about the art of buying, not selling.

Opportunities will arise very soon.

Word. I was in Ft Myers FL a few weeks ago, the number 2 most-foreclosed city in the US. On Monday, a local news report remarked at the huge number of real-estate agency signs on properties, and that many were selling for, and I quote, "half-price." By Friday afternoon, the realty sales rate had spiked sharply. The folks who still have money and/or good credit are snapping up the low-hanging fruit, which happens to be multi-million-dollar beachfronts owned by out-of-town speculators who over-extended. Bargain-hunters are swarming like piranha.
The downside to buying a huge storefront in Altoona? The Morality Police. They'd be protesting it on the 5pm news a la The Oasis.
On a related note, Value City is going to be a church.--->JMS

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sunday May 10, 2009

Oh, and having worked on the background music system at Don Pablo's, it would be the worst-sounding room many of us would ever play. High ceilings, squared walls and concrete/brick walls and floor... once you'd load the room above 90dB, it'd be a nightmare of standing waves and other reflection problems. It'd need a lot of room treatment, for sure.
Circuit City would work nicely, though, I think.--->JMS